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spat said:
How many were left in Berlin by May in '45 ?

When you have your children fighting and you're using hospitals as military outposts, you're not going to have any left.
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Give me a number. I can look it up, but I cant verify any sources , so Id like to get a number from you.

hospitals as out posts is total bullshit , and Ill tell you why, first off if me or my men are wounded where the fuck are we going to go to get help? if my kids or mother are wounded where are they going to go? Im not going to fuck my men or my kids or my family , that a real bullshit excuse. Hamas has faimily and friends in those hospitals, think they are going to allow anyone to shoot from them?

2ndly, theIDF has no problem leveling every hospital it can to prevent the wounded from recovering and fighting again, kids babys pregnat woman be dammed they have no problem . and all they have to say is some 12 year old shot at us so we jdamed the entire building .

whos to say they were shot at? you got proof? no . were not there.
 
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It sucks and is dangerous to live under an Iranian proxy terrorist group be it Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, or Shia militias.

Gaza Fatality Data will never untangled or accurate. Reseach studies confirmed 98% cited fatality figures discussed in media is provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH).

MoH figures are overstated, contain natural deaths, deaths from before the conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself. MoH data contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

The Henry Jackson report determined MoH does shit like

"including a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old,

a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and

men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed."

"The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces."

"They likely include around 5,000 natural deaths per year, including cancer patients who were listed by the Ministry for hospital treatment after they had already appeared on fatality lists. Hamas also claimed hundreds of fatalities from attacks which turned out to be misfired rocket launches by Gaza factions."

"It is indisputable that natural deaths which occur in times of peace would also occur during a war. "

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Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll from the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza - Henry Jackson Society

On 7 October 2023, Hamas militants launched a war on Israel. After Israel launched its military response, media outlets around the world began to report on death tolls in Gaza, … Continued
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Saudi Arabia launched retaliatory airstrikes on Houthi-controlled military sites, telecommunications facilities, and Kamaran Island in Yemen's Hodeidah governorate on July 24, 2026. The strikes followed Houthi ballistic missile and drone attacks that hit Saudi oil tankers in the Red Sea amid a declared Houthi naval blockade against the kingdom
 
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Steal2B said:
It sucks and is dangerous to live under an Iranian proxy terrorist group be it Hamas, Hezbollah, Houthis, or Shia militias.

Gaza Fatality Data will never untangled or accurate. Reseach studies confirmed 98% cited fatality figures discussed in media is provided by the Hamas-run Gaza Ministry of Health (MoH).

MoH figures are overstated, contain natural deaths, deaths from before the conflict began and deaths of those killed by Hamas itself. MoH data contains no mention of Hamas combatant fatalities; and it overstates the number of women and children killed.

The Henry Jackson report determined MoH does shit like

"including a 22-year-old registered as a four-year-old,

a 31-year-old registered as a one-year-old and

men with male first names registered as female – artificially increasing the numbers of women and children reported killed."

"The lists also include people who died before the war and people who died from attacks by Hamas rather than the Israel Defence Forces."

"They likely include around 5,000 natural deaths per year, including cancer patients who were listed by the Ministry for hospital treatment after they had already appeared on fatality lists. Hamas also claimed hundreds of fatalities from attacks which turned out to be misfired rocket launches by Gaza factions."

"It is indisputable that natural deaths which occur in times of peace would also occur during a war. "

henryjacksonsociety.org

Questionable Counting: Analysing the Death Toll from the Hamas-Run Ministry of Health in Gaza - Henry Jackson Society

On 7 October 2023, Hamas militants launched a war on Israel. After Israel launched its military response, media outlets around the world began to report on death tolls in Gaza, … Continued
henryjacksonsociety.org henryjacksonsociety.org
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what your saying is mostly correct, be it Gaza or Ukraine , Numbers are inflated and deflated as needed, Thats parr for the course in these situations

the Gaza Strip's Hamas-run Ministry of Health says Israel's retaliatory war has killed more than 67,000 Palestinians. Israel disputes that figure but provides no estimate of its own, and the United Nations considers the health ministry's count the most reliable information available, as Israel has barred foreign journalists from operating independently in Gaza.


One side says 67k people, the other side has no information , We have no way of verifying numbers , but considering the nature of the war, the weapons used, the density of the population , the inflation, deflation of casualties would you think its unreasonable to estimate half as a reasonable number ? say 33k people killed ? fair or no ?
 
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Give me a number. I can look it up, but I cant verify any sources , so Id like to get a number from you.

hospitals as out posts is total bullshit , and Ill tell you why, first off if me or my men are wounded where the fuck are we going to go to get help? if my kids or mother are wounded where are they going to go? Im not going to fuck my men or my kids or my family , that a real bullshit excuse. Hamas has faimily and friends in those hospitals, think they are going to allow anyone to shoot from them?

2ndly, theIDF has no problem leveling every hospital it can to prevent the wounded from recovering and fighting again, kids babys pregnat woman be dammed they have no problem . and all they have to say is some 12 year old shot at us so we jdamed the entire building .

whos to say they were shot at? you got proof? no . were not there.
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Identical letters dated 27 August 2014 from the Permanent Representative of Israel to the United Nations addressed to the Secretary-General and the President of the Security Council

Sorry, source is biased
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Most of your sources trace back to Hamas.

And no, a CNN article that sources all of it's references from the Palestinian Ministry of Health is not an "independent source" LOL.
 
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