Using somebody elses AR15 in PA

[Egret-II]

Quick question
My brother lives in PA and he owns a couple of guns including an AR15. When I'm visiting my mother, (who also lives in PA) he always invites me to the range. Many times he has given me the key to his house to get his AR and bring it to the range. Now this is the question. Would I get in any trouble if a cop pulls me over and I have an AR15 that belongs to my brother in the trunk of the car? I Have a out of state PA pistol license just in case that helps.

 

[JRtraderny]

Quick question
My brother lives in PA and he owns a couple of guns including an AR15. When I'm visiting my mother, (who also lives in PA) he always invites me to the range. Many times he has given me the key to his house to get his AR and bring it to the range. Now this is the question. Would I get in any trouble if a cop pulls me over and I have an AR15 that belongs to my brother in the trunk of the car? I Have a out of state PA pistol license just in case that helps.

doubt it unless you're a criminal

 

[Egret-II]

doubt it unless you're a criminal

No, I'm asking because I'm not allowed to buy an AR in PA because I'm from NY. I was wondering if it's illegal to carry it. If I'm not the owner.

 

[JRtraderny]

No, I'm asking because I'm not allowed to buy an AR in PA because I'm from NY. I was wondering if it's illegal to carry it. If I'm not the owner.

Huge difference between purchasing and borrowing. Besides you can buy anything that is legal here in PA including a handgun as long as it is shipped to a NY FFL .

 

[meketrefe]

Are ARs licensed or is there a reason you could not have a firearm by yourself?
To be sure call your local sheriff or pd and ask them.
Everything is subjective to PA state and local laws

 

[Egret-II]

Are ARs licensed or is there a reason you could not have a firearm by yourself?
To be sure call your local sheriff or pd and ask them.
Everything is subjective to PA state and local laws

In order to purchase an AR15 in PA you need a PA license. I dont have that... yet.

 

[dsdmmat]

No, once you are outside the NY gulag the dictator does not have any power over you. They (NYS Goons) don’t control what you touch or how often you touch it. Using a firearm that belongs to someone else as long as you have their permission and are using it in a responsible and legal manner is perfectly fine, in the 43 states of the USA.

 

[Saltwater60]

In order to purchase an AR15 in PA you need a PA license. I dont have that... yet.

This is news to me. What license do you need in PA to buy an AR-15? A quick google search of the PA firearms page showed nothing of the sort.

https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-information/Documents/SP4-135.pdf

Also keep in mind you’re not purchasing one so there are different rules for that. As far as I’m concerned I’d have your brother test you saying you are able to possess his forearms and are borrowing them.

 

[Mosinitis]

In order to purchase an AR15 in PA you need a PA license. I dont have that... yet.

Did you actually try that? It can vary from dealer to dealer. Unless there is some new law preventing such sales, it's not illegal for long guns, only for handguns.

 

[dsdmmat]

You can buy any gun that is legal in your resident state from any FFL in any state. You may have to have it shipped to an FFL in your state of residence but you can legally buy a gun in any state.

 

[Egret-II]

This is news to me. What license do you need in PA to buy an AR-15? A quick google search of the PA firearms page showed nothing of the sort.

https://www.psp.pa.gov/firearms-information/Documents/SP4-135.pdf

Also keep in mind you’re not purchasing one so there are different rules for that. As far as I’m concerned I’d have your brother test you saying you are able to possess his forearms and are borrowing them.

I went to two FFL over there to buy an AR15. They both asked for my drivers license. Or proof of PA residence. I said I live in NY. Both said. Sorry I'm not risking my FFL license.

 

[Egret-II]

You can buy any gun that is legal in your resident state from any FFL in any state. You may have to have it shipped to an FFL in your state of residence but you can legally buy a gun in any state.

I wanted one with all the evil features. He said since I live in NY he cant sell me one with evil features. Then I asked him if he can make it NY compliant then.The guy looked at me funny and said. We dont play those ridiculous games here

 

[dsdmmat]

I wanted one with all the evil features. He said since I live in NY he cant sell me one with evil features. Then I asked him if he can make it NY compliant then.The guy looked at me funny and said. We dont play those ridiculous games here

He is right, the evil feature gun is not legal in NY, if he was not a gunsmith he could not change the configuration to sell it to you. If he was and chose not to do it that is also his right as an FFL. Just because this one would not convert one to NY legal doesn’t mean there is not another one who would. Most just don’t want to deal with the ever changing legal landscape In the PRNY.

 

[dwa12479]

I wanted one with all the evil features. He said since I live in NY he cant sell me one with evil features. Then I asked him if he can make it NY compliant then.The guy looked at me funny and said. We dont play those ridiculous games here

He's correct. He'd have to ship it to a NY FFL, and you'd have to take possession there after a NICS check. The NY FFL wouldn't transfer it to you if it's illegal to possess in NY.

 

[dwa12479]

Quick question
My brother lives in PA and he owns a couple of guns including an AR15. When I'm visiting my mother, (who also lives in PA) he always invites me to the range. Many times he has given me the key to his house to get his AR and bring it to the range. Now this is the question. Would I get in any trouble if a cop pulls me over and I have an AR15 that belongs to my brother in the trunk of the car? I Have a out of state PA pistol license just in case that helps.

Transport it unloaded and you shouldn't have any trouble.

 

[Mosinitis]

You can buy any gun that is legal in your resident state from any FFL in any state. You may have to have it shipped to an FFL in your state of residence but you can legally buy a gun in any state.

There was no Federal law preventing a sale of a long gun to anyone who can pass NICS. It doesn't have to be shipped to FFL in New York. It's buyers responsibility not to bring that long gun anywhere where it is illegal. Handguns have to be shipped to FFL. Dealers can refuse any sale even when it's legal and some of them do to be on a safe side.

 

[RooftopKorean]

He's correct. He'd have to ship it to a NY FFL, and you'd have to take possession there after a NICS check. The NY FFL wouldn't transfer it to you if it's illegal to possess in NY.

He is 100% correct.

If the receiving FFL took possession and modified it afterwards and he did not have a manufacturing license, he'd get jammed up as well

This is what I was told when I wanted to transfer a non compliant carbine and wanted them to do it for me.

 

[spat]

He is 100% correct.

If the receiving FFL took possession and modified it afterwards and he did not have a manufacturing license, he'd get jammed up as well

This is what I was told when I wanted to transfer a non compliant carbine and wanted them to do it for me.

Gunsmithing license, not manufacturing.

He's not making a gun, he's modifying an existing one.

Lots of FFLs also have the smithing license, they will make modifications all the time, install parts you order through them, etc...

 

[Saltwater60]

I went to two FFL over there to buy an AR15. They both asked for my drivers license. Or proof of PA residence. I said I live in NY. Both said. Sorry I'm not risking my FFL license.

Ok you meant drivers license. That makes sense. They don’t know nys laws and don’t want to mess with it. I thought you meant like a license to buy one from pa government.

 

[Saltwater60]

There was no Federal law preventing a sale of a long gun to anyone who can pass NICS. It doesn't have to be shipped to FFL in New York. It's buyers responsibility not to bring that long gun anywhere where it is illegal. Handguns have to be shipped to FFL. Dealers can refuse any sale even when it's legal and some of them do to be on a safe side.

If they suspect you will commit a crime they are supposed to decline the sale. Living in NYS and attempting to purchase a gun that is not legal in your home state screams of that.
To the OP I would delete many of your posts here.

 

[Egret-II]

Ok you meant drivers license. That makes sense. They don’t know nys laws and don’t want to mess with it. I thought you meant like a license to buy one from pa government.

I think that's what is it. Because of our fucking politicians. We've been red flagged by other states. And since they dont know what's going on here with gun laws. They don't wanna risk getting in trouble.

 

[Egret-II]

If they suspect you will commit a crime they are supposed to decline the sale. Living in NYS and attempting to purchase a gun that is not legal in your home state screams of that.
To the OP I would delete many of your posts here.

No, no. I dont own one. And if I'm bringing one here. I'd be ny compliant. Or buy it here.

 

[thughes]

There was no Federal law preventing a sale of a long gun to anyone who can pass NICS.

Not completely correct, unless you are referring to a private sale between two individuals in a free state.

Firearm dealers may sell rifles or shotguns (not handguns) to people who live in a different state, but only if the sale complies with the laws of both the state where the sale is taking place and the state where the person lives.

For instance: if a Californian walks into a Texas gun shop, the shop cannot sell them a long gun because California law prohibits out-of-state gun purchases, even from a licensed dealer.

If a Floridian walks into that same Texas gun shop, they can buy a long gun, but the shop has to hold it for three days because Florida law requires a 3 day waiting period.

Purchasing a Firearm out of State

The United States of America has over 60 different sets of federal, state, reservation, and territorial gun laws! As a result, it is very easy

americangunfacts.com

 

[Mosinitis]

If they suspect you will commit a crime they are supposed to decline the sale. Living in NYS and attempting to purchase a gun that is not legal in your home state screams of that.
To the OP I would delete many of your posts here.

People have residences in two or more states. You can live in Manhattan and have a place in PA, as many people do. There is no reason for a dealer to believe you are taking that gun into NY, unless he knows that for a fact. I hate when people make bad situation worse for political reasons.
I will poke my eye out to hurt my mother-in-law kind of thing.

 

[Egret-II]

People have residences in two or more states. You can live in Manhattan and have a place in PA, as many people do. There is no reason for a dealer to believe you are taking that gun into NY, unless he knows that for a fact. I hate when people make bad situation worse for political reasons.
I will poke my eye out to hurt my mother-in-law kind of thing.

That's my case. I own properties there. I haven't changed my driver license because I don't want to lose my NYS gun permit. Hell, I'm in PA every weekend from friday to sunday.

 

[Saltwater60]

No, no. I dont own one. And if I'm bringing one here. I'd be ny compliant. Or buy it here.

That’s good, but the issue is the FFL doesn’t know you or know that so that’s why he said no. In some sense you can’t blame him.

 

[Saltwater60]

People have residences in two or more states. You can live in Manhattan and have a place in PA, as many people do. There is no reason for a dealer to believe you are taking that gun into NY, unless he knows that for a fact. I hate when people make bad situation worse for political reasons.
I will poke my eye out to hurt my mother-in-law kind of thing.

He said he lives in NYS and supplied them with a NYS drivers license so why would I think, or the FFL think he has another residence?

 

[Saltwater60]

That's my case. I own properties there. I haven't changed my driver license because I don't want to lose my NYS gun permit. Hell, I'm in PA every weekend from friday to sunday.

You’re aware you can change that address/residence and keep your NYS agin permit then right? Nothing above indicated that to me or what you said to an FFL. All you have to do is change your address with the pistol permit office and use the proper address when recertifying for most counties. A few might try to make it more difficult.

 

[Egret-II]

You’re aware you can change that address/residence and keep your NYS agin permit then right? Nothing above indicated that to me or what you said to an FFL. All you have to do is change your address with the pistol permit office and use the proper address when recertifying for most counties. A few might try to make it more difficult.

I asked that question around here before. Someone said Westchester would not let you change the address in your pistol permit for an out of state one. I'm not sure how true is that tho. But if it can be done. I'll do it next week

 

[Parzival]

That's my case. I own properties there. I haven't changed my driver license because I don't want to lose my NYS gun permit. Hell, I'm in PA every weekend from friday to sunday.

Get a PA non-driver ID.