ikilledkenny
.45 acp
for the: Westchester County/ NYS Basic Pistol Safety Course
this was the list of instructors that was on the website?
any recommendations or just pick one and go?
Westchester pistol permit
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for the: Westchester County/ NYS Basic Pistol Safety Course
this was the list of instructors that was on the website?
any recommendations or just pick one and go?
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100% go with Onsight.
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ikilledkenny
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thanks. will email them. not sure if they are open.
i emailed others instructors and got response that they are not operating due to covid restricitons.
i emailed others instructors and got response that they are not operating due to covid restricitons.
Open?
We never close!!!!!!!!!!!!!
we have classes coming up.
www.oftllc.us
June 25th and July 15th are the next permit classes! Get in it!!!!!!!
My man!
TopShot
.45 acp
@ikilledkenny,
Not only does Onsight Firearms Training have a class for the Westchester County Pistol Permit they will guide and help you through the process. Once you obtain your handgun permit they also have all types of classes that will teach you how to be proficient with your new firearm.
Not only does Onsight Firearms Training have a class for the Westchester County Pistol Permit they will guide and help you through the process. Once you obtain your handgun permit they also have all types of classes that will teach you how to be proficient with your new firearm.
Not to piss on anyone's business, but people take this way too seriously. Pick an instructor - any instructor and get it over with. You're not taking some high level tactical training here. People seem to think if they take a class from "ABC Training" instead of "XYZ Training" that they are going to get put to the front of the line or get preferential treatment. All you need is the piece of paper saying you sat through a "class" that discussed things that you should already have known anyway. I think you probably have a grip on things if you've found yourself here. Take the class and fill in the blanks on the application. It's that easy. The instructors name on your certificate will not effect the outcome in any way.
TopShot
.45 acp
@Chevusa,
Not all Pistol Safety instructors are equal.
Some are better than others. It's the support that counts.
You want someone who really cares, goes the extra mile and who wants to see their students do well.
I made a recommendation because for MANY YEARS I have trained with MANY INSTRUCTORS
and Ben and Rachael from OFT do the right thing and are some of the best in this area.
Not all Pistol Safety instructors are equal.
Some are better than others. It's the support that counts.
You want someone who really cares, goes the extra mile and who wants to see their students do well.
I made a recommendation because for MANY YEARS I have trained with MANY INSTRUCTORS
and Ben and Rachael from OFT do the right thing and are some of the best in this area.
How much hand holding can one person need? I'm not giving you a hard time but can you give me an example of how an instructor "going the extra mile" makes any difference to me and what does "going the extra mile" even mean?
You literally just have to fill in the blanks. It's not nearly as complicated as people like to make it. Slow down, read the instructions and you'll be just fine. That being said, I had people in my class that could barely read and write, so maybe in that case those people need more help, but I think if @ikilledkenny found his way here, he's more than capable of following the instructions and filling in the blanks.
Please don't even waste your time arguing on the internet with ppl like this. I appreciate the recommendation. Thank you. "any instructor". That pretty much sums it up.
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Thank you for fabricating a quote that was never used by me. That certainly lends credibility to your business.
OP - just take whatever class is cheapest/closest. Search around. Some even let you watch a video online and print your certificate. They just bullshit around with nonsense you already know and might let you hold a rubber gun in the class. All you need is the certificate. One class gets you no different outcome than another. You are just filling in blanks on a sheet of paper. There is no mystery to it.
Thank you for fabricating a quote that was never used by me. That certainly lends credibility to your business.
OP - just take whatever class is cheapest/closest. Search around. Some even let you watch a video online and print your certificate. They just bullshit around with nonsense you already know and might let you hold a rubber gun in the class. All you need is the certificate. One class gets you no different outcome than another. You are just filling in blanks on a sheet of paper. There is no mystery to it.
LOL.
So if you reference the "Westchester Pistol License Safety and Information Handbook", since the OP is asking about Westchester....
CHAPTER 3 / PAGE 14 clearly (if you read it) states:
"13.In the County of Westchester, who has successfully completed a firearms safety course and test(Penal Law §400.00(1)(l)) as evidenced by a certificate of completion issued in his or her name(Penal Law §400.00[4-b]) and endorsed and affirmed under the penalties of perjury by a duly authorized instructor(Penal Law §265.00[19]), except thatpersons who are honorably discharged from the United States army, navy, marine corps or coast guard, or of the national guard of the state of New York, and produce evidence of official qualification in firearms during the term of service are exempt from this requirement(Penal Law §400.00(1)(l)(i)).
Note: Online firearm safety courses do not meet these requirements."
So yeah, "a video online and print your certificate", wont cut it.
You can take a classroom course with one company that will charge you $350 for the same course another company will charge you $100 for, and another company will charge you $150 for, etc. etc.
One company I know charges $350 for the same thing we do the class for $175, and from I'm told they do a half assed job of it, and have lost people's paperwork. Another company I know charges $100 but will not help with paperwork or the firearm selection process, or help prepare the application prior to the required appointment at the County Dept, Of Public Safety.
We help the applicant through the entire process, but will also recommend other instructors/companies if we dont not have a class on the schedule, which most others wont do.
Like all things, on one hand you get what you pay for,...but also you can have it cheap, fast or good, but usually not all three.
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So what exactly is it that someone needs help with “through the entire process”? You and many others make it way more complicated than it is. You fill in the blanks, attach your certificate, photos, and money and that’s it. It makes no difference where your certificate came from. There is no back and forth between the applicant and the office after the application is dropped off. The instructor isn’t an attorney who is representing you. Once they sit through the “pass the rubber gun around the room” class there is nothing further needed from the “instructor”. It’s not a test that only the instructor has the answers for. You literally fill in the information asked for. You are there as a prisoner for a piece of a paper the state says you need to exercise your natural rights. That’s it. Don’t act like it’s a daunting, mysterious process that only you can navigate.
How many classes have you taught?
How many students/clients have YOU helped with the process?
Seriously, Id like to know.
Zero. And I’m not trying to be an asshole here, but you have failed to answer twice now just what exactly “help through the entire process” is. Once I hold your rubber gun and get my paper that said I sat there through the nonsense, I never see or hear from you again, because there is no need to. You literally fill in your own personal information which is specifically asked for on the dotted line. It’s laughable to think someone would need help with that. Are you going to tell them their DOB if they don’t know it?!
Zero. And I’m not trying to be an asshole here, but you have failed to answer twice now just what exactly “help through the entire process” is. Once I hold your rubber gun and get my paper that said I sat there through the nonsense, I never see or hear from you again, because there is no need to. You literally fill in your own personal information which is specifically asked for on the dotted line. It’s laughable to think someone would need help with that. Are you going to tell them their DOB if they don’t know it?!
Not that i need to justify myself to someone who hies behind a screen name on a "gun forum",..unless you want to give me your real name, where you live and what you do for a living, you are nothing more than that.....but, we provide an affordable alternative to the scam artists that ARE out there teaching this class.
What we do:
Provide the required safety class and written test (yes we have test!). The class and test are MANDATORY for Westchester. The County/State requires it. No class/test, no permit. Live video isn't acceptable, you cannot print your own certificate. Not sure where the hell you even got that idea.
Provide the application - two sided version that so many show up to at the class wit their own "one sided" version that will sadly get rejected by the Dept Of Public Safety at their appointment, thus causing them to have to reschedule and come back months later (yes it has happened).
We go thru the application with the applicant so they understand what to put, where and why. If you think its so easy, then explain why in every class we get several questions about what would seem "so easy to figure out". Not everyone is as smart as YOU, and people do have questions that they can't seem to figure out themselves, and can;t get a straight answer out of the county clerks office or the Dept Of Public Safety. Any idea how many people think they should apply for a "premise permit". You would be surprised.
Perhaps you'd like to sit in on a class and hear some of the questions people have? Again, not everyone is you and some people need more help tan others.
Any idea how many people pick up the Westchester application, look at it and say, it's too difficult to fill all of this out, I don;t understand why there's four pages of this and two pages of that and I don;t understand what to put here or there" ? I hear it all the time.
Yes in essence the application is pretty easy, but I've also been teaching since 2006 and have probably help 5,000 people in the Westchester, Putnam, Orange, Dutchess, and Rockland county areas get their permits. But yeah, what do I know.
We offer advice and guidance on selecting a firearm based on the person need or desire to get a permit. You have to purchase a pistol BEFORE submitting your application. Without firing it. Without ever holding it. We direct people to reputable gun shops where they wont get ripped off or sold a piece of shit Springfield XD, Smith & Wesson Bodyguard or Ruger LCP as their first gun. Where a woman wont get sold a 2inch 357 magnum pink revolver, because "that's what women should carry", or so they are told by a 60 year old dude at a gun shop who hasn't actually shot a firearm in 15 years, let alone ever trained or practiced drawing from a holster.
We also look over the paperwork for people before they go up to their appointment to submit the application. I can;t even count how many mistakes we have fond, or incomplete applications we have fixed at the last minute for people. People whos references have screwed something up.
(I have had to have people find other references or recommend they go back and have their references re-write their pages)
Applications written in blue or red ink...(two sided in black ink only or it gets rejected by the Dept Of Public Safety).
People who don't know what to put for the firearm info on the application. Sadly the Dept Of Public Safety and the county clerks office does not offer help with any of this.
We have recommended and procured layers and legal advice for people with misdemeanors and youthful offences that should not otherwise have any reflection on their ability to get a permit, but sadly does in NY.
More importantly, once people have their permits and firearms they quite often come back and taking live fire lessons, concealed carry & armorers classes, private training, group training, first aid/trauma care training with us. We even teach hand to hand self defense classes, perhaps you'd like a free lesson?
We also keep the price about HALF of the cost of one of the local companies teaching the exact same permit class but doing less of the extra work for people.
If you want to question my company, sure go ahead, ask anyone on here who has trained with us or taken any class with us. Go on our website and see the classes we teach and the other companies we work with, not that I expect you to recognize any of them.
Shit, I'll even throw you a free live fire class of your choice. Seriously.
Are you going to tell them their DOB if they don’t know it?!
How old are you?
You go first. Not sure why you would request that from someone. Kinda weird.
No, the State doesn't require it. Your county might have the testing rule, but it is not listed in the penal law under requirements. That is not the case where I live and I'm sure there are others as well. Your county seems to be the exception - not the rule. There are others offering the online classes and they are perfectly acceptable. Again, maybe not your one county, but others do it.
These are available at the permit office, or online. Almost every printer on the market will print double sided. Heck, I can even make mine do it right from my cell phone. It's amazing what is possible in 2020.
You just read the question and put the relevant information on the line. NAME:___________ ADDRESS:___________ It's pretty easy. Even I could do it.
I have already said such. Brain dead people may not be able to fill in the blanks asking for their personal information without having their hand held, but I suspect OP will be just fine, as he was smart enough to find his way here.
Not sure why they would have to do that. Maybe another quirk in your county that isn't the rule, but rather the exception. People however should buy what they want, as they are the consumer and it is their choice. Some people love Ford trucks, others will say they are junk. They should get what they want. Unless you're paying for it.
I think if someone wants to carry a gun they should be responsible enough to make sure the blanks are filled in. That's why I said slow down and take your time. It's as simple as can be.
The instructions are explicit, in writing. This is not secret information they need from an instructor or they will be denied. The portion asking for gun information is a chart broken down into sections asking for MAKE: MODEL: SERIAL NUMBER: CALIBER: - you literally fill in the blank. There is no guesswork or secret codes.
All that is needed is again, filling in the blanks with what the arrest was, and attaching a disposition - just like the instructions explicitly say. Getting a lawyer isn't getting you a permit if you're not allowed to have one due to felony or domestic violence. Just about anyone else will be fine. They can explore a lawyer after they are denied if they feel the need. Getting one ahead of time is a waste of money. You don't know what the outcome will be.
These are most likely valuable classes for most people to take and are not at all what I am criticizing. I am specifically talking about the "pass around the rubber gun class" you are forced to sit in to get a "certificate".
Nice.
Again, I'm only talking about the bullshit pistol permit class. I'm sure the other things you teach are worthwhile. I'm seriously not giving you a hard time. It's just not that difficult.
ignore option,...AKA "douchemute"
Exactly why showing a guy new to the permit process that it's not some dark scary thing, and that if he doesn't go with "ABC training" he's not going to get his permit approved is nonsense. All he's got to do is fill in the blanks and submit it with a class certificate and photos. No need to scare the guy into taking a specific class, whether a member here has a financial interest in it or not.
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Robin
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So all these guys from Westchester are recommending OnSight, but you in your infinite Buffalo wisdom somehow think they are trying to scare the OP. Take an effing break!
Robin
Robin
The outcome of his application will not be effected in any way based on where he chooses to take the class. That is a fact. That is all....
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
OP asked for recommendations. He got them. That should have been all.
Robin
Robin
What should he take a break from?
Life perhaps?
Dude has "zero" reference in teaching the class, as he stated, so his opinion is about as worthless as his real life off of the computer probably is.
$10 he spends most of his day playing Call Of Duty in his moms basement. I'd offer him a free class so he can show off his "talents" but he probably would be too scared to show his face in real life in front of people without his keyboard in front of him. Tacticool Keyboard Commando. If he actually is in Buffalo Id even comp him for our two day Force On Force class in Erie in October so he can show us all how much he knows about shooting and concealed carry!! Again he would probably chicken out. Put up or shut up.
He can run his shit all he wants but we teach the class that is required by the state. we teach is greatly different from everyone else, but again he has no idea how or what we teach, he is only reference the ONE class he has ever taken in his life and basing his opinion on that. Weak.
Of course however he will call this a "westchester" problem I'm sure... but the safety class, last I looked up every county in NY, is required in:
Albany
Broome (to upgrade to full)
Cayuga
Chenango
Columbia
Cortland
Erie
Genesee
Greene
Herkimer
Jefferson
Lewis
Madison
Niagara
Oneida
Onondaga
Orange
Orleans
Oswego
Putnam
Rensselaer
Rockland
Schenectady
Schoharie
Steuben
Sullivan
Ulster
Warren
Westchester
So, let him talk, OR he can come into any class we have and show us how much he knows.
#truth.
You are very confused and are trying to twist and turn what I said. None of that has anything to do with the class that is required for the permit. Those are all after the fact optional things that people can and probably should take. That is in no way what I am talking about and is in no way what the OP is asking about. Stay focused. You are making your business look silly.
You have no idea what my level of training or experience is. You are making wild, unproven statements in your frenzy to try to make the "pass the rubber gun around the room" class appear to be more than what it is. THAT is the class myself and OP are talking about.
I never said the class was not required. Not once. I challenge you to provide proof of your claim. I said it makes no difference what name is on the certificate when you submit the application. None. That is a fact. Stop trying to make it seem like if someone doesn't go to your class they aren't going to get the outcome they are looking for. I haven't even said NOT to take your class. I said he should take the one that is best for him. If you're closest to where he lives and he wants to go, he should. Although after your temper tantrum and unprofessionalism here - as you are trying to represent a business, may have turned him and others off to dealing with you. That is a decision OP, and everyone who reads this thread in the future will have to make for themselves.
Nice haircut.