livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
What city preppers can do to survive what is coming. Walk thru and saw potential for survival.
A lot would have to do with zoning
What city preppers can do to survive what is coming. Walk thru and saw potential for survival.
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A lot would have to do with zoning
spat
.950 JDJ
Zoning now, and what would be allowed in a SHTF situation are very different.
I think a lot of people who think they'll be allowed to just grow their own food and be self sufficient are deluded.
The people who are in charge will not allow that, because they have to keep the people who aren't doing that in check.
Hell, the farmers might not be allowed to even feed their own families. Ask the Ukranians how that goes.
Uzi
.308 Win
If literally almost anyone thinks they will survive off the tiny gardens in their yard in the event where there is some sort of mass starvation or crazy civil unrest event going on where you can't just go to the grocery stores to get food, these people are honestly borderline retarded. No, it doesn't hurt to have a garden now, but even if you live in Bumfuckville, USA and are guarded 24-7 like fort knox, these people aren't surviving off tomatoes, peppers, and garnishing herbs, sorry.
If you can avoid being the number one target and can supplement your existing food storage for a while until the gangs and marauders burn your off grid or city house down, consider yourself to be lucky. Sustaining enough crops for sufficient calories year round while somehow warding off these countless people willing to destroy your vulnerable property and kill you and take your crops, is a fantasy. We are not living in a civil society any longer. We have uncontrolled mental illness and retardation levels at the highest rates ever, probably since the stone age; Just imagine when food actually becomes hard to get.
In a city specifically, this is even more of a hilarious joke. For every civil human being, there are 100,000 hood rats ready with their hood rat friends to steal all of your shit, and you better believe they will do anything to get it. These wild apes will murder somone over a fucking pair of nike shoes.
If you can avoid being the number one target and can supplement your existing food storage for a while until the gangs and marauders burn your off grid or city house down, consider yourself to be lucky. Sustaining enough crops for sufficient calories year round while somehow warding off these countless people willing to destroy your vulnerable property and kill you and take your crops, is a fantasy. We are not living in a civil society any longer. We have uncontrolled mental illness and retardation levels at the highest rates ever, probably since the stone age; Just imagine when food actually becomes hard to get.
In a city specifically, this is even more of a hilarious joke. For every civil human being, there are 100,000 hood rats ready with their hood rat friends to steal all of your shit, and you better believe they will do anything to get it. These wild apes will murder somone over a fucking pair of nike shoes.
spat
.950 JDJ
Hochulsucks1234
.44 mag
Ya thats cool, but the question that they never seem to want to answer is - what about water??? Hell, most n00b preppers don't even have a plan for how to deal with water. They buy a couple lifestraws and think all will be well.
Survival in urban and suburban areas would involve bunkering down and not being seen.
Don't go outside, don't make noise, keep the lights off, give no one the impression that anyone is alive in your domicile. Lay low and ride out the initial chaos while living off your stored food and water. You wouldn't need a vast amount of stocks, just enough for either order to be restored or for everyone else to kill each other off. Couple weeks or months, it's easy to store months worth of supplies in even a small apartment. When the dust settles you can peek out and forage, look for a more secure place to hole up in. You would need a couple allies to cover your back, help hold ground at the new place, preferably some place with a high vantage point.
Don't go outside, don't make noise, keep the lights off, give no one the impression that anyone is alive in your domicile. Lay low and ride out the initial chaos while living off your stored food and water. You wouldn't need a vast amount of stocks, just enough for either order to be restored or for everyone else to kill each other off. Couple weeks or months, it's easy to store months worth of supplies in even a small apartment. When the dust settles you can peek out and forage, look for a more secure place to hole up in. You would need a couple allies to cover your back, help hold ground at the new place, preferably some place with a high vantage point.
Water utilities are probably the last thing to go, if they ever do just store as much water as possible, use tap water for as long as it lasts.
Use one of those bathtub water bladder things fill it up when things start getting hairy stick a water drum in a closet/basement.
99cummins
.308 Win
Municipal water is going to be limited to what’s in the water tower that feeds your area. Electric pumps, some with backup generators, pump water to fill the towers. Our electric grid is fragile and generators have limited fuel. Natural gas will also stop eventually as well without their pump stations going.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
The main thing I can see about having a garden in a city would be obtaining knowledge about gardening itself. If they have to bug out to the country land at least they would be a bit more useful than not having this knowledge . Get the fundamentals down and have some books to further your knowledge base
Back in the dust bowl era . the okies always had a few hoes with them . Hoeing a field would be the last resort for obtaining a meal. there is a bit of an art to using a hoe ... for an extended period of time.
. We have tried different varieties of vegetables ... To see what we like and what works .
Back in the dust bowl era . the okies always had a few hoes with them . Hoeing a field would be the last resort for obtaining a meal. there is a bit of an art to using a hoe ... for an extended period of time.
. We have tried different varieties of vegetables ... To see what we like and what works .
Yes that's true, but that will keep you going for a little bit though, long enough to start filling up every receptacle you have. Like that bathtub bladder
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
City preppers with there little pop up greenhouses .. ohh i will grow tomatoes and stuff ..
and have no idea they will need bumble bees in the green house to make them tomatoes ..
you know them City Dwellers .. most hate the idea of self pollination LOL
and have no idea they will need bumble bees in the green house to make them tomatoes ..
you know them City Dwellers .. most hate the idea of self pollination LOL
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Problem I see with an urban garden is getting seeds, fertilizer, water and supplies to keep it going. I have a raised bed with some tomatoes and peppers and damn it requires a lot of water and fertilizer to keep it going. That will all run out quickly.
Know what you can eat that grows in your area naturally. I know where a lot of wild grapes and berries are in my area and they are not far from me. There are wild apple trees near me as well. I know where the animals are and I have the means to get them. I will buy some snaring wire soon to be able to do this silently. I also have a pond that will provide me some water and also attracts animals to my yard.
This video is pretty good but lacks a lot IMO. My neighbors are not capable of doing much of anything. On my block I can think of maybe a half a dozen people that would be useful and other than that the others can die off and I will take their supplies. Many around me wouldn’t last 2-4 weeks around me. Also I’m not providing my neighbors with weapons and I know for a fact most are not armed in any way shape or form. I also know where to get fish, frogs, crayfish to eat.
Know what you can eat that grows in your area naturally. I know where a lot of wild grapes and berries are in my area and they are not far from me. There are wild apple trees near me as well. I know where the animals are and I have the means to get them. I will buy some snaring wire soon to be able to do this silently. I also have a pond that will provide me some water and also attracts animals to my yard.
This video is pretty good but lacks a lot IMO. My neighbors are not capable of doing much of anything. On my block I can think of maybe a half a dozen people that would be useful and other than that the others can die off and I will take their supplies. Many around me wouldn’t last 2-4 weeks around me. Also I’m not providing my neighbors with weapons and I know for a fact most are not armed in any way shape or form. I also know where to get fish, frogs, crayfish to eat.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
This is all disinfo, folks. Plenty of food will be provided by the Our Savior, the State.
Cavalry
.338 Win Mag
I prefer Soylent Red
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
The problem with city gardens is the city. I consider fertilizer and seeds to be less of a problem than the city itself. Anyone who thinks they are going to stay in their 2 story cape in the middle of the city and live off the garden in their yard is dumb. Cities have one thing in abundance... people. Someone really thinks that they're going to grow a garden around a bunch of desperate starving people and they are just going to leave you alone?
Yes, protecting your property with guns works... to a point. And that break point is too many adversaries. The solution is to reduce the population density around you. People cause problems. Less people = less problems.
I don't go to far into my plans for obvious reasons, but it involves going to a very stocked location out where the aren't many people. A spot that unless you know it's there then you wouldn't know it's there.
Vapor
.308 Win
Wall up the cities and let them rot from the inside.
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
Yes you’re correct but even besides that point there are many other issues. I didn’t bring up people as an issue because I thought that was a given.
the size is an issue as most people do t have the size to support a family.
The water is an issue because many have raised beds and they dry out quickly.
Many use bagged fertilizers and would run out of that quickly as well. No food plants don’t grow.
The problem I see with bugging out is you have to get there and you may not be able to. I have no where to bug out to so I have to stay put. My parents have a few acres in the southern tier but it’s very primitive, needs a lot of upkeep, and there are a lot of people around there too. Only things that’s better than my place is there are technically less people and there is a good source of clean stream water. I was recently talking to a guy who knows a guy who is a prepped but he’s 4-5 hours away by car. I said good luck getting there and the response was oh I’ll get there. Well you may not be able to get there. Say you have to drive through tribal Indian lands and they are burning tires keeping the white man out with firearms. Don’t think it won’t happen because it will.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
The best thing to survive is to be there already. I expanded my garden this year and plowed up sod. I did spray roundup. Put manure down as well as some commercial fertilizer. . It has grown well with watering from our well . My grandparents had only a shallow dug well and did have crocks under the downspouts to catch rain water. . One would be hard pressed to have a self supporting garden without a tractor. My uncle used a farmall A to work 10 acres of black raspberry plant along with at least an acre garden. Before that was using horses.
spat
.950 JDJ
You're going to need a large enough garden to feed the couple dozen people it will take to defend the garden...
The real hard part of the prep isn't the garden. It's the garrison to defend it.
But what really scares the shit out of me is that when the S really HTF you're likely to be defending the garden from the government.
They won't even want your food, they'll just want you not to have it because that example threatens their control of your neighbors.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
In China the food was shipped from the countryside to the cities . This was done so the masses would not overthrow the government.... This was in times of famine. One needs to practice guerrilla gardening. One year my garden got away from me. A weed grew up among my potatoes. It closely resembled my potatoes .So much so it was hard to see the rows.. We have apples growing wild .. Some are in the middle of a grove of trees that would easily be missed..... Very small and often wormy apples produced. Still useful in a pinch. Rhubarb growing among Burdock would be overlook by many. It could be done.
I figure, worst-case scenario, people are edible.
Cities=lotsa people=lotsa food.
On a more serious note cities will have large amounts of resources to scavenge, one just needs enough supplies to last long enough for the initial chaos to subside.
Or in all likelihood just until order is restored
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
in a huge city the homeless will make it .. they know of all the good dumpsters for food 
spat
.950 JDJ
The food is always shipped from the countryside to the cities.
It's physically impossible to grow more than a token amount of food in a city.
How many acres of farmland do you think it takes to feed NYC ?
They don't even have enough acres to produce their own power, let alone food.
Cities are dependent on the countryside for everything. Food, power, water, waste disposal, everything.
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
yep
they don't even have there own water supply .. IE .. from the Hudson or the bays there ..
spat
.950 JDJ
Well, you can't exactly drink any of that, and desalination costs more than piping fresh stuff in from the Catskill, so....
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
Acer-m14
20×102mm Vulcan
hello NYC .. i have to pee
Saltwater60
20×102mm Vulcan
But who will be putting food into those dumpsters.in a huge city the homeless will make it .. they know of all the good dumpsters for food
You aren't drinking "new" water. All water is pee water.hello NYC .. i have to pee