What ever happened to I don't agree with your speech but I will defend your right to say it.

[BerettaGuy]

Consider this.
Every Civil War has a battle that starts it rolling.
There are just to many accounts on the interweb that jives with this guys description of the Battle of Charlottesville.

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Where was the "media" coverage. All they were doing is yacking about Trumps statement ( for days and days and hell they are still yacking about it.

Sorry, Just to many accounts that the Rally people were not all KKK and the like but patriots too.
The media has labeled them as haters. We are being played.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

The left has jumped the shark and they are "totalitarian thought police lite" (they still arent running around burning books, marching prisoners by bayonet yet...)

They are trying to control what is socially and politically acceptable and what isn't. Its their way or no way.

With the media aiding them, and riding coat tails of wannabe important social justice warriors they use their mob mentality to swarm like piranhas trying to shut down anything they don't like.

Its pathetic.

Even worse, they are basically getting away with it.

If you oppose them you are a zealot, hate monger, rascist etc...


Sucks

 

[pjzwtl]

Hey SHUT THE FUCK UP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!....only kidding

 

[MikeyCNY]

I'm beginning to think that our peaceable protests in Albany regarding the (un)SAFE Act were the wrong idea. Apparently being rioting, violent assholes is the way to get things done.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

It's obviously become a one way street.

 

[Catskillkid]

I'm beginning to think that our peaceable protests in Albany regarding the (un)SAFE Act were the wrong idea. Apparently being rioting, violent assholes is the way to get things done.

Well we did royally screw up that lawn, so I guess we did riot...sort of.

 

[BerettaGuy]

The left has jumped the shark and they are "totalitarian thought police lite" (they still arent running around burning books, marching prisoners by bayonet yet...)

They are trying to control what is socially and politically acceptable and what isn't. Its their way or no way.

With the media aiding them, and riding coat tails of wannabe important social justice warriors they use their mob mentality to swarm like piranhas trying to shut down anything they don't like.

Its pathetic.

Even worse, they are basically getting away with it.

If you oppose them you are a zealot, hate monger, rascist etc...


Sucks

Well said, The last pro-gun rally in Buffalo was labeled as racist come to think of it.

 

[Bob]

I'm beginning to think that our peaceable protests in Albany regarding the (un)SAFE Act were the wrong idea. Apparently being rioting, violent assholes is the way to get things done.

If everyone that showed up for the first rally in Albany had shown up armed, we could have taken over the state Capitol. There were almost as many people there as there were Troopers in all of New York at the time.

But we are better than that.

For now.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I'm sort of tired of defending other people's rights as of late. Respect is not mutual anymore. People have become selfish and with an agenda. You didn't work for it, you didn't earn it, you can't have it. My normal patience has ceased to exist.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'm sort of tired of defending other people's rights as of late. Respect is not mutual anymore. People have become selfish and with an agenda. You didn't work for it, you didn't earn it, you can't have it. My normal patience has ceased to exist.

It seems that too much individualism has caused Americans in general to lose sight of the institutions and infrastructure that bound us together with a common thread and gave us a basic respect for one another as Americans, even in disagreement.

 

[Deplorable Me]

It seems that too much individualism has caused Americans in general to lose sight of the institutions and infrastructure that bound us together with a common thread and gave us a basic respect for one another as Americans, even in disagreement.

It seems the seeds of discontent were sowed in the 60's. Respect for the country went to hell as did respect for the concept of a family unit.

 

[Cleck]

The problem I'm finding with the SJW's and like minded are that they lack the ability to tell the difference between threatening someone directly and just saying "Hey, I think this is alright." I've gotten falsely lambasted by tons of people for saying that however much I hate it and think it's wrong, I think these guys have the right to free speech. Absolutely lit up by some people who can't or won't see the difference between the two. Yeah, I draw the line when it turns to "Fuck these [insert race/creed of people] and let's go kill them all right now." (Protip about me: that doesn't apply to terrorists - fuck em all). I had a nice discussion yesterday w/ a group of intelligent people that could actually see the difference on this and it didn't make me want to pull my hair out.

 

[Criticalt]

Get used to it, its only going to get worse.
Until the law abiding literally DO something about it.
The time for talk is far over.
I remember not so long ago when Patriots said stuff like " when the other side makes a move, its on!"
Or "when the cops refuse to protect us, we will take it into our own hands." You know, stuff like that.
Guess what Patriots......the time has come.
Patriots have a huge disadvantage, they have grown accustomed to obeying the law. The anti-americans have no such drawbacks.

 

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[@thewheels]

It seems that too much individualism has caused Americans in general to lose sight of the institutions and infrastructure that bound us together with a common thread and gave us a basic respect for one another as Americans, even in disagreement.

Maybe...
IMO, it's not too much individualism. It's sheer stupidity that younger Americans have nurtured thanks to their public education.
They are too stupid to understand that what's good for the goose is good for the gander. Defend and cherish other's rights to say/think whatever and they'll do the same for you. Agree or not.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Defend and cherish other's rights to say/think whatever and they'll do the same for you. Agree or not.

This is my point. They are only concerned with what they think and want or what they feel is right. No one elses opinion or right to speech or existance for that matter, matters.

 

[kgun12]

It seems that too much individualism has caused Americans in general to lose sight of the institutions and infrastructure that bound us together with a common thread and gave us a basic respect for one another as Americans, even in disagreement.

The left is owned and controlled by Soros. The young left is being lead by the cow horn piercing they have in there nose, because they have no idea what this country has gone though, or why we have been the most powerful and richest in the world and how did we get there.

My brother-in-law, actually tweeted last year when someone spray painted one of the monuments at the Alamo, "it's probably was a Mexican getting even for the ass kicking the Texans gave them there"! When my wife called little brother out, he called her stupid and hadn't a clue what she was talking about!

He and my other in-laws believe it was the democrats that lead the charge for Civil rights in the 60's and when the KKK was formed, it was made up of right wing haters, when in fact it was the hit squad of the dems! Try to tell them young left any of this, see what their response is?

 

[islandman]

We are being divided worse than ever, dictated to choose which side we are on. I for one will not fall for this game, hate speech, even if you do not like it, is free speech. Where has the attitude of speak, I don't like it, but you can speak, gone? It has disappeared, it has found it's way down the memory hole. This goes for both so called Left and Right groups. Why is it that we never heard of Alt Right until Trump was running? Alt Right was never a term until then, just another group made up so it can be used for whatever purpose deemed fit.

In regards to monuments, another us created group tore down artifacts and monuments. That group is Al Qaeda, ISIS, or whatever Washington is calling it today. This whole thing is a distraction, a violent distraction. To distract us, to divide us so we do not know what is going on around the world. So we don't actually protest the right places, demanding that the longest war in American History ends. Demanding that we stop creating, funding and controlling terrorist groups that are used against us. Remember that a majority of far right wing groups have been cultivated by the government as "honey traps" to get one person to do a heinous act or attempt to do one.

They recently got one person to attempt to detonate a fake VBID, Vehicle Born Improvised Explosive Device or car bomb for the regular people out there. Oh it was at Oklahoma City on the anniversary of the bombing. The FBI supplied the vehicle and materials then arrested the guy. Just akin to the group in Pittsburgh, a bunch of drug addicts who were pushed into attempting to bomb a bridge, another FBI op.

We all should be able to exercise our right to Free Speech, it is our God given right. Not a right given to us by a person, nor by a group of people. This right also means if someone has an opposing view they can speak their mind as well. Now when violence comes into play and both sides have been guilty of this, do we go after the violence or the speech? No one has the right to beat someone up or kill them because they stood for something that made them upset.

Finally, hate crimes, I thought crime was crime. You murdered someone, it was murder. You dragged someone down the street and killed them, you murdered them. It doesn't matter what color, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or anything else. The penalty should be the same, murder is murder.

 

[prambo]

This actually summarizes my stance on this.

To The Press, The Pols And The Rest


To The Press, The Pols And The Rest
The Market Ticker ® - Commentary on The Capital Markets


2017-08-15 19:53 by Karl Denninger
in Editorial , 1873 references
To The Press, The Pols And The Rest
[Comments enabled]

Let me say this just one more time:

That someone is a Neo-Nazi, a White Supremacist, KKK member or racist does not render them bereft of the First Amendment. Just as being a member of BLM or the Antifa does not render them bereft of the First Amendment.

It is not acceptable, legal or excusable to meet speech by any such person with violence.

Period.

To suggest, state, or advocate that such is the case, or to promote the premise that violence is an appropriate remedy for speech you find vile and outrageous is to declare civil war, because there are others who will likely find your speech vile and outrageous and by your statement you have made the claim that just punishment for speech you deem vile is to be found at the hands of a mob.

The press and now lawmakers are openly advocating for the complete breakdown of civil society -- they are stating by the droves that violence in response to mere speech that one finds offensive yet has the protection of the First Amendment is not only worthy of said violence the person uttering same is not worthy of having their assailants prosecuted or the protection and investigation of the police forces to interdict violence intended for or served upon them.

These people are explicitly refusing to call on the carpet Governor McAuliffe and everyone in the chain of command from the Charlottesville PD upward who were involved in any way in intentionally funneling opposing protesters into each other, knowing that some of them were armed and then allowed said PD to sit back and withdraw when violence occurred.

Let me remind you that not only did the "alt-right" people have a permit the city attempted to revoke it and their action was struck down by a Federal Judge who granted an injunction against the city. The organizers not only requested and received the promise of public law enforcement support a judge signed an order demanding same -- an order that was then intentionally disobeyed by everyone from McAuliffe on down and, as a direct and proximate result, multiple deaths and myriad injuries occurred.

In fact these same members of the press and lawmakers, who I have now lost count of, are in fact stating that it is perfectly acceptable for the police to intentionally ignore persons initiating and committing violence against those who speak in a way that someone finds offensive, and even worse, to intentionally foment violent confrontations between these groups due to their direct actions and deliberate inactions, and further it is completely acceptable for all of the above law enforcement and civil officials to ignore the lawful orders of a Federal Judge.

May I remind said members of the press, politicians and others that their speech is often found offensive by someone, and that if they advocate for and promote this rank lawlessness and blatantly unconstitutional behavior they will have nobody but themselves to blame when, not if, the nation erupts into violence on a level not seen in America since the 1860s and their homes, businesses and entire cities are sacked by persons who are aggrieved by their mere speech.

I have never in my life believed -- until today -- that we would see such an event in this nation again.

Today I fully expect it to happen and when this outcome occurs it will lay at the feet of the press and lawmakers.

There has only been one person thus far -- President Trump -- with the balls to make the statement in public that violence in response to speech is never acceptable. For this you excoriate him.

He's right, you're wrong, and your course of action is begging for the literal destruction of our society.

 

[kgun12]

We are being divided worse than ever, dictated to choose which side we are on. I for one will not fall for this game, hate speech, even if you do not like it, is free speech. Where has the attitude of speak, I don't like it, but you can speak, gone? It has disappeared, it has found it's way down the memory hole. This goes for both so called Left and Right groups. Why is it that we never heard of Alt Right until Trump was running? Alt Right was never a term until then, just another group made up so it can be used for whatever purpose deemed fit.

In regards to monuments, another us created group tore down artifacts and monuments. That group is Al Qaeda, ISIS, or whatever Washington is calling it today. This whole thing is a distraction, a violent distraction. To distract us, to divide us so we do not know what is going on around the world. So we don't actually protest the right places, demanding that the longest war in American History ends. Demanding that we stop creating, funding and controlling terrorist groups that are used against us. Remember that a majority of far right wing groups have been cultivated by the government as "honey traps" to get one person to do a heinous act or attempt to do one.

They recently got one person to attempt to detonate a fake VBID, Vehicle Born Improvised Explosive Device or car bomb for the regular people out there. Oh it was at Oklahoma City on the anniversary of the bombing. The FBI supplied the vehicle and materials then arrested the guy. Just akin to the group in Pittsburgh, a bunch of drug addicts who were pushed into attempting to bomb a bridge, another FBI op.

We all should be able to exercise our right to Free Speech, it is our God given right. Not a right given to us by a person, nor by a group of people. This right also means if someone has an opposing view they can speak their mind as well. Now when violence comes into play and both sides have been guilty of this, do we go after the violence or the speech? No one has the right to beat someone up or kill them because they stood for something that made them upset.

Finally, hate crimes, I thought crime was crime. You murdered someone, it was murder. You dragged someone down the street and killed them, you murdered them. It doesn't matter what color, sexual orientation, political affiliation, or anything else. The penalty should be the same, murder is murder.

EXCELLENT POST!!!, may be the post of the year nominee!

 

[BerettaGuy]

Like I said. This is an assault on the United States of America.
Piers Morgan: Time to Limit Second and First Amendments - Breitbart

You are not just gonna accept BLM you are gonna love it asshoe.

 

[Blimey]

Progressives happened to it.

If you can't in all honesty say people such as the westboro baptists should have a right to say what they say you do not believe in the 1st amendment. They are a great example because 99.9999% of polls think they are dicks but we need to let them be that way.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Well we did royally screw up that lawn, so I guess we did riot...sort of.

You guys ruined their grass and they'll never forget it

 

[E the massive]

Probably paid agiprop (?).

 

[Bob]

Piers Morgan: Time to Limit Second and First Amendments - Breitbart

I'm pretty sure the Brits lost the right to tell us what to do with our country about 235 years ago. And he has the audacity to tell southern folks to let it go because they lost. Piers Morgan can kiss my white yankee ass.

 

[Mr. terzmo]

Piers has a lot to say about our rights; I guess it's because he has so few in "Great Britain"