When did having a Local Militia evolve from something Governments ENCOURAGED to something PROHIBITED ?

[CaseHardened]

During my recent tourism of Revolutionary War sites in Eastern Mass, it quickly became apparent that during that era Local Militias were considered essential.

They were tools in repelling invaders, and maintaining order. Even organized crime feared them.

Yet at some point, a Federal Deep State evolved, that naturally feared a force of armed, organized civilians.

A force composed not of "Gun Nuts", or "Survivalists", but of farmers, storekeepers, clerks, and just plain average folk.

Our lack of such organizations is exactly what emboldens the Deep State to do whatever they please.

One has to wonder if the Founders ever anticipated a time without those local militia.

A re-imagined America would need a mechanism to ensure the continued existence of Local Militia, under Local Control, well-funded, and with a certain degree of Mandatory Participation.

Just like in 1776.

 

[Carlos Hathcock]

When certain people in government became fearful of losing the power given to them by those whom elected them.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Pretty much every volunteer firehouse is a militia. The concepts are nearly identical; only the tools differ.

Anyone can form a fire department.

 

[CaseHardened]

Pretty much every volunteer firehouse is a militia. The concepts are nearly identical; only the tools differ.

Anyone can form a fire department.

Well, that's a start !



To be clear, I'm not encouraging people to get together and form Militias.

I want Militias to return, but as they were before.

100% Legal and Authorized. And Mandatory.

 

[prambo]

I'll bet a militia with a communist theme would be just fine with many US citizens...most of whom are shitwits.

 

[CaseHardened]

I'll bet a militia with a communist theme would be just fine with many US citizens...most of whom are shitwits.

Well, it is possible it is entirely too late to reintroduce the concept.

It's something that worked well, very well, and never should have ended.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

When certain people in government became fearful of losing the power given to them by those whom elected them.

We can pretty much end the thread here.

Politicians want to keep gaining power and want to eliminate anything that can challenge it.


I don't know enough of history that I would like to, but my gut is that some time after ww2 is when our government began changing. If I had to be more specific about "when" I would say about 1955.

Not to go all tinfoil hat, but I know "operation paperclip" gave our country a huge technological infusion but I think there were serious unintended consequences.

 

[FrankenCub]

Well, that's a start !



To be clear, I'm not encouraging people to get together and form Militias.

I want Militias to return, but as they were before.

100% Legal and Authorized. And Mandatory.

Nothing wrong with encouraging it. Whoever is involved just needs to sure of the goals and functions of the group, and keep the crazies out. A local one I know of steps up to help local communities after or during storms, gets involved in local politics, and has even provided security for a visiting congresswoman during campaign dates.
Still perfectly legal despite what FUAC wants to believe. I think there should be more recruitment in more towns.

 

[Shadow2]

The rich decided to pay others to take their place for neighborhood watch, They could now control things with their money and not lift a finger, they eventually convinced the masses to pay for it with tax dollars.

I'm all for going back to the old system

 

[dsdmmat]

The Battle of Athens

The GIs came home to find that a political machine had taken over their Tennessee county. What they did about it astounded the nation.

www.americanheritage.com

pretty much around the timeframe of the battle of Athens. Also the standing army has replaced the need to have citizen militia groups at the ready. The rise of police forces in this country has made the government comfortable enough that they have a lock on the use of force and they don’t want to have any competition. Waco, Ruby Ridge, The Bundt Ranch and the Stand off in Oregon along with the fore mentioned incident in 1946 shows that Militias are still needed to fight government corruption and overreach.

 

[spat]

I'll bet a militia with a communist theme would be just fine with many US citizens...most of whom are shitwits.

I think it's spelled "Antifa"

 

[libertysnake]

I'm not opposed to seeing them make a resurgence, but I have concerns for when there is a "bad" one that goes too far or starts to deter law enforcement.

I'm pro militias, but I'd also be pro making sure police are at least equally armed and trained with how to interact with them to make sure we don't have abuse between any one single militia and the community. We have to account for abuse as well.

 

[Paxal]

Militias became bad when the Govt took them over and turned them into the National Guard.

 

[SmallGameAddict]

People started to get lazy, esp in the bigger cities. Enforce laws, deter crime, discourage criminal and anti-social behavior? That's the job of the police, not mine. That's the mindset. I have gangs and drugs in the streets in my neighborhood? The 'government' and 'the police' should "do something".

The main purpose of the 2nd Amendment could be described as "provide for the common defense, and establish and maintain domestic tranquility". Yet, many are of the mindset- defend the United States? That's the military's job, not mine.

I am usually able to stop someone in the middle of their anti-gun rant with one simple question about the 2nd Amendment. I ask "What about defense of the State, and of the United States?".

Anyone who wouldn't stand with me defending Ole Glory if the United States was invaded, has no business calling themselves an American, or living in this country, imo.

 

[CaseHardened]

I'm not opposed to seeing them make a resurgence, but I have concerns for when there is a "bad" one that goes too far or starts to deter law enforcement.

I'm pro militias, but I'd also be pro making sure police are at least equally armed and trained with how to interact with them to make sure we don't have abuse between any one single militia and the community. We have to account for abuse as well.

Would there be - HAVE THERE BEEN - "bad" Militias in America ?

Well, the Democrats had the KKK and now ANTIFA - so yes.

But the Militias I would support would be completely legal, as they were in the Colonies prior to King George outlawing them.

Even he recognized armed civilians were a threat to his absolute power.

After the Revolution they became legal again, and the 2A applied to them - and to an individual citizen's right to bear arms.

I've not done extensive research, but it would be surprising if Militias, at one time, did not engage in Racism, Jim Crow, etc.

Still, the GOOD that Militias accomplished far outweighed any EVIL.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

There are plenty of militias all across this state, let alone the whole country. Most are unorganized, in the modern sense of the word.

Some still use social media and try to do community outreach, and many others have gone underground.

There are groups that consist primarily of civilians, while others are mostly vets, and everything in between. Their mindsets are all over the place. Depending on the group, they encompass all aspects, from prepping, medical training, and keeping the peace through assisting law enforcement, to just protecting their own shit.

There isn't much that government can do about it.

 

[Pissed Off Patriot]

Oh yeah, and I've seen "leaders" of these groups that are barely fit to lead a girl scout troop, and I've seen leaders that you either want to be on their good side or you want to stay very far away.

 

[dwa12479]

When certain people in government became fearful of losing the power given to them by those whom elected them.

This is the exact moment...

 

[Robin]

If the NRA declared themselves a militia they would probably get a lot of members back, well if they didn't make ThePete a five star general.
Robin Patton

 

[CaseHardened]

At this point I suppose it's fairly moot. I'm not confident we can ever go back.

We have a very good country, with very good citizens, and a thoroughly corrupt government.

Though there is still a chance President Trump will pull our asses just far enough out of the fire so as to give this country another chance towards greatness.

Conservatives talk a lot about Military Service, and a lot about mandatory Service. But they are on the wrong track.

Service should be mandatory, but that service should be in local Militias.

THAT"S what the Founders always envisioned, and when push came to shove we all united under George Washington and were able to expel the World's Greatest Military from our shores - TWICE.

 

[Acer-m14]

if we were to start a NY Militia .. i think a good name would be like .. The NY Democrat Militia .. might even get FUAC funding too .. who reads the fine print ... lol ..

something like The NY George Washington Militia ... it would get Red Flagged and raided ,..

 

[spat]

if we were to start a NY Militia .. i think a good name would be like .. The NY Democrat Militia .. might even get FUAC funding too .. who reads the fine print ... lol ..

something like The NY George Washington Militia ... it would get Red Flagged and raided ,..

Call it the NY antifacist transgender alliance.

 

[Exonautic]

Once the government realized they were the people's biggest threat, and the threats were no longer mutual.