Where do we stand with carry restrictions?

[IrishMick]

Where do we stand in the current legal wrangle with our carry rights.
I will start by saying I keep a pretty close eye on 2A rights both here in NY and throughout the nation. I am lost at this point as to where we are in the post Bruen clusterfuck of lawsuits, rulings, injunctions, etc. Any state source is usually woefully behind the current rulings (by purpose so we won't exercise our rights). Please help inform me of what's good and what's not.
As far as I know post Bruen and CCIA, we are now allowed to carry into businesses that are open to the public generally unless otherwise posted. Can you carry in a bank? Hospital/Medical? I believe most govt. owned property is still a no go zone. Bars are still off limits for carry, but are restaurants that serve alcohol can be carried in? With the new ruling regarding NY having to offer non-resident permits, can NYS permit holders outside NYC now carry in NYC or do we also have to beg NYPD for permission? If a NYC permit is required do we have to jump through all the hoops again?
Part of the lack of information is the state really likes to suppress any freedoms that we may have taken back through litigation. Most 2A news sources (even the ones doing a great job) often conflate and confuse NYS and NYC when discussing cases. To add to the confusion is the legal wrangling where we may have a victory one day only for it to be enjoined or stayed only days later. Also when NYC takes a loss, our government at the state level tends to ignore it for the rest of the states citizens and vice versa. According to the govt. sites you still need to get a NYC endorsement to carry there but those who hold a permit down there can carry statewide. How is this even a thing? Isn't NYC part of the state? How can there not be a challenge to this on both 2A grounds as well as equal protection under the law? Is there a suit in the works?
I know that some will comment with the concealed is concealed trope or I can carry where I want in South Western Bumfuck (move out of NY) However I live here as do many members of the forum and need to navigate as legally as possible. I appreciate everyones input.

 

[Darth]

What's a CCIA?

Never heard of her.

 

[GTN]

PA gives you a book of rules when you get your CC permit.
NY doesn’t! NY wants you to screw up so they can take your rights away

 

[dsdmmat]

Against them?

 

[kev74]

Probably not helpful, but 'concealed means concealed' hasn't let me down.

I used to be pretty good at keeping up with this stuff, but all the court decisions make it hard to stay up to date with original source material. I feel like relying on secondary sources isn't as good - I would rather interpret the law myself.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Probably not helpful, but 'concealed means concealed' hasn't let me down.

I used to be pretty good at keeping up with this stuff, but all the court decisions make it hard to stay up to date with original source material. I feel like relying on secondary sources isn't as good - I would rather interpret the law myself.

This. I used to be able. To keep up with news and updates but now it's so hard and so confusing. I think it's deliberate as well.

I really seriously am not 100% sure what is or is not legal right now. The politicians and courts have made this so confusing and they have probably done it on purpose.

Things I know:
Avoid government buildings, schools, building with metal detectors, etc
Places with "conceal carry welcome" = good

Things I don't know:
Everything else.

I've more or less started drifting back into just treating situations how I used to treat them. Mind the obvious no go zones, and be extra cautious everywhere else.

 

[ManualF150]

This. I used to be able. To keep up with news and updates but now it's so hard and so confusing. I think it's deliberate as well.

I really seriously am not 100% sure what is or is not legal right now. The politicians and courts have made this so confusing and they have probably done it on purpose.

Things I know:
Avoid government buildings, schools, building with metal detectors, etc
Places with "conceal carry welcome" = good

Things I don't know:
Everything else.

I've more or less started drifting back into just treating situations how I used to treat them. Mind the obvious no go zones, and be extra cautious everywhere else.

This is good advise.

Just know, in NY, if you use your gun for self defense (even 100% proven), prepared to be cuffed and stuffed into the back of a cruiser and put in jail for a few hours till things get sorted out. Just how it is.

Know that you won't get that gun you used back, and they may confiscate all your guns. Maybe you will get them back, maybe you won't. Leaving you in a worse situation -- unarmed and now in the local news. Very bad things can happen.

It ain't like Texas or other free states, where if you prove rightful cause, you don't get cuffed and stuffed, at worst case you lose that single gun as evidence, but even then, that's a line. There's plenty of self defense shooting examples in free states where the person is almost treated like a LEO if nothing unjustified happened. The way it should be.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

This is good advise.

Just know, in NY, if you use your gun for self defense (even 100% proven), prepared to be cuffed and stuffed into the back of a cruiser and put in jail for a few hours till things get sorted out. Just how it is.

Know that you won't get that gun you used back, and they may confiscate all your guns. Maybe you will get them back, maybe you won't. Leaving you in a worse situation -- unarmed and now in the local news. Very bad things can happen.

It ain't like Texas or other free states, where if you prove rightful cause, you don't get cuffed and stuffed, at worst case you lose that single gun as evidence, but even then, that's a line. There's plenty of self defense shooting examples in free states where the person is almost treated like a LEO if nothing unjustified happened. The way it should be.

I'm very well aware. Ive already role played out scenarios in my head and essentially unless there is an active shooter between me and my family and blocking our exit that's about the only time I would draw.

Ex, if I'm shopping in a store with family, I hear shooting. I'm instantly looking to get out the side or back emergency exit and into car out of there. Sorry guys. I'm taking care of my priorities first. I don't do my family any good in jail so if that means the shooter racks up more victims because people are reluctant to engage so be it. I would love to try to help others but not at the expense and risk to my family and self.

 

[Cooolone]

Fuck NY!

Shall Not Be Infringed!!!

What's so hard to understand?

Just FUCK NY!

 

[GOPerfect]

When I first got my PP in NY, I had the typical restrictions. I read a lot about them and decided that I did not care about the restrictions placed on me by one Judge sitting in his office. I "upgraged" within a few months to unrestricted.

I carried my gun everywhere that there was not a metal detector. I did not care about the extra bullshit. I was not going to leave myself and my family unprotected. I was always aware that in time, my choices may land me in legal trouble.

As for understanding NY laws, it is impossible to understand them. Cannot be done. All depends on the Police agency, the prosecutor and the Judge on what happens to a person.

This post probably did not help you.....

 

[ManualF150]

When I first got my PP in NY, I had the typical restrictions. I read a lot about them and decided that I did not care about the restrictions placed on me by one Judge sitting in his office. I "upgraged" within a few months to unrestricted.

I carried my gun everywhere that there was not a metal detector. I did not care about the extra bullshit. I was not going to leave myself and my family unprotected. I was always aware that in time, my choices may land me in legal trouble.

As for understanding NY laws, it is impossible to understand them. Cannot be done. All depends on the Police agency, the prosecutor and the Judge on what happens to a person.

This post probably did not help you.....

It should be illegal to have laws or a bunch of convoluted laws on the books that can be misinterpreted. It should be black and white and easily understood in English by a normal educated person.

I should be able to go to my local court and they should be able to hand me the laws on the books and I should be able to understand them without needing to ask additional questions.

This pertains to more than just gun laws.

 

[GOPerfect]

It should be illegal to have laws or a bunch of convoluted laws on the books that can be misinterpreted. It should be black and white and easily understood in English by a normal educated person.

I should be able to go to my local court and they should be able to hand me the laws on the books and I should be able to understand them without needing to ask additional questions.

This pertains to more than just gun laws.

I agree. I never really understood how bad the wording of laws were until I was hired with my former department.

Unreal....

 

[RooftopKorean]

For NYC I can give some information.

NYC now issues non-NYC resident CCW permits.
NYC has lifted the two-handgun limit on their CCWs
You can only carry one at any given time inside of the NYC limits.
You cannot carry on MTA buses, subways, and PANYNJ buses or trains.
Cannot CCW inside of JFK or LaGuardia airports
Cannot CCW inside of Times Square
Cannot CCW inside of any article 28 facility - i.e. hospitals or hospital clinics or associated medical pavilions.

I believe the cost for the non-NYC resident is the same, like $440ish if I recall. It was like $89.95 for finger printing fee and $350 for the application processing.

If you are a NYC resident with the Premise/Residence permit (PR) who is applying for a CCW. You can request that all your handguns on your
PR permit be transposed over to your CCW. If you did not request this at the time of applying for your CCW, you can send a notarized letter to the NYPD License division requesting this. When I sent my letter, I copied the front and back of my current PR permit and sent it along with the letter.

The NYC CCW permits require a slew of paperwork and now should only take six months at the maximum to be either approved or denied. They got many lawyers threatening with legal action because they were violating their own rules saying a decision must be given within six months. I was one of the people who hired Mirel Fisch to send a letter to Inspector Hugh Bogle and his team.

As a NYC resident, we have the "golden egg". With our permit we can carry in the entire state.

 

[VietnamEraVet]

For NYC I can give some information.

NYC now issues non-NYC resident CCW permits.
NYC has lifted the two-handgun limit on their CCWs
You can only carry one at any given time inside of the NYC limits.
You cannot carry on MTA buses, subways, and PANYNJ buses or trains.
Cannot CCW inside of JFK or LaGuardia airports
Cannot CCW inside of Times Square
Cannot CCW inside of any article 28 facility - i.e. hospitals or hospital clinics or associated medical pavilions.

I believe the cost for the non-NYC resident is the same, like $440ish if I recall. It was like $89.95 for finger printing fee and $350 for the application processing.

If you are a NYC resident with the Premise/Residence permit (PR) who is applying for a CCW. You can request that all your handguns on your
PR permit be transposed over to your CCW. If you did not request this at the time of applying for your CCW, you can send a notarized letter to the NYPD License division requesting this. When I sent my letter, I copied the front and back of my current PR permit and sent it along with the letter.

The NYC CCW permits require a slew of paperwork and now should only take six months at the maximum to be either approved or denied. They got many lawyers threatening with legal action because they were violating their own rules saying a decision must be given within six months. I was one of the people who hired Mirel Fisch to send a letter to Inspector Hugh Bogle and his team.

As a NYC resident, we have the "golden egg". With our permit we can carry in the entire state.

Not that I want to pay those outrageous fees for a NYC CCW (and I very likely never would), but it does raise a question: If someone who now lives OUTSIDE New Yorkistan, but kept their upstate NY CCW when they moved their domicile out of NYS now wanted to apply for a non-resident NYC CCW, could they? Or would the heads down at 1PP Plaza explode just trying to figure that out?

 

[Shadow rider]

 

[Shadow rider]

 

[IrishMick]

For NYC I can give some information.

NYC now issues non-NYC resident CCW permits.
NYC has lifted the two-handgun limit on their CCWs
You can only carry one at any given time inside of the NYC limits.
You cannot carry on MTA buses, subways, and PANYNJ buses or trains.
Cannot CCW inside of JFK or LaGuardia airports
Cannot CCW inside of Times Square
Cannot CCW inside of any article 28 facility - i.e. hospitals or hospital clinics or associated medical pavilions.

I believe the cost for the non-NYC resident is the same, like $440ish if I recall. It was like $89.95 for finger printing fee and $350 for the application processing.

If you are a NYC resident with the Premise/Residence permit (PR) who is applying for a CCW. You can request that all your handguns on your
PR permit be transposed over to your CCW. If you did not request this at the time of applying for your CCW, you can send a notarized letter to the NYPD License division requesting this. When I sent my letter, I copied the front and back of my current PR permit and sent it along with the letter.

The NYC CCW permits require a slew of paperwork and now should only take six months at the maximum to be either approved or denied. They got many lawyers threatening with legal action because they were violating their own rules saying a decision must be given within six months. I was one of the people who hired Mirel Fisch to send a letter to Inspector Hugh Bogle and his team.

As a NYC resident, we have the "golden egg". With our permit we can carry in the entire state.

So you are saying that you can carry everywhere on your New York STATE permit because it was issued by NYPD in NYC but permits issued upstate by a judge isn't recognized in the city? This is almost the inverse of what used to be where NYC permits only counted there and upstate permits were good everyplace except there. RK you have a permit issued in NYC? Is it somehow different than a state issued permit?........ I just looked at mine and the county is prominently listed just below the state, on the back it says on the back that it's not valid in NYC.
This was issued before the decision forcing NY to allow non resident permits so I have no idea what's what now. Is the city somehow part of the state as well as not a part of the state? City dwellers can carry to my hometown but I can't carry to theirs? It seems that such a law cannot stand any type of scrutiny in the courts.

 

[RooftopKorean]

So you are saying that you can carry everywhere on your New York STATE permit because it was issued by NYPD in NYC but permits issued upstate by a judge isn't recognized in the city? This is almost the inverse of what used to be where NYC permits only counted there and upstate permits were good everyplace except there. RK you have a permit issued in NYC? Is it somehow different than a state issued permit?........ I just looked at mine and the county is prominently listed just below the state, on the back it says on the back that it's not valid in NYC.
This was issued before the decision forcing NY to allow non resident permits so I have no idea what's what now. Is the city somehow part of the state as well as not a part of the state? City dwellers can carry to my hometown but I can't carry to theirs? It seems that such a law cannot stand any type of scrutiny in the courts.

I don't have the answer you are looking for since I clearly didn't write the stupid law; or... is this a rhetorical question?

All I know is that with my NYC CCW permit I can carry in the entire state but permits issued outside NYC cannot carry in NYC. It's stupid but I don't have an answer for you other than the information I provided.

 

[IrishMick]

@ RooftopKorean
Thank you for your input! I don't expect anyone to know how these stupid laws are arrived at. Questions are half way rhetorical as anyone with half a brain can see that such laws are discriminatory under equal protection statutes elevating NYC residents above the rest of the states citizens.

 

[RooftopKorean]

@ RooftopKorean
Thank you for your input! I don't expect anyone to know how these stupid laws are arrived at. Questions are half way rhetorical as anyone with half a brain can see that such laws are discriminatory under equal protection statutes elevating NYC residents above the rest of the states citizens.

Its not just NY that suffers under stupidly written codes like this. I believe Colorado has similar issues but when it comes to P80s and such, some areas of Colorado can manufacturer and possess but some areas cannot.

It only ever seems that the Democrat controlled areas as so ambiguous with "2A ownership/administrative codes" than Republican held areas. And I say administrative codes because there is no "law" on gun ownership which/should supercedes the US Constitution.

 

[RooftopKorean]

Not that I want to pay those outrageous fees for a NYC CCW (and I very likely never would), but it does raise a question: If someone who now lives OUTSIDE New Yorkistan, but kept their upstate NY CCW when they moved their domicile out of NYS now wanted to apply for a non-resident NYC CCW, could they? Or would the heads down at 1PP Plaza explode just trying to figure that out?

I believe the issuance of non-NYC residents is open to anyone, not just confined to NYS residents who live outside of NYC.

On a side note, I am currently in the hiring process of a PD department that runs EMS outside of NYC and they questioned me why I had so many different state CCW permits. I was taken back by this line of questioning and simply replied back to my investigator "because it's my second amendment right?". My investigator didn't say anything else beyond that, he was also perplexed by the amount of handguns and long guns I owned.

The audacity of some Police Officers is just befuddling to me. Just because you're LEO doesn't give you anymore right to own a gun than the common citizen. Sad part is, the above average gun owner/enthusiast is probably a better shot than most cops.

I am pro Blue line, but shit like that boils my fucking blood. I'm sure many of you agree with me. This is not to offend any of the members here who are currently/formerly an LEO.

 

[RedBreast21]

Your experiences with a NY CCW permit in NY state or NYC is all dependent on that counties or city DA's office you are carrying in.

Continued legal battles of which change almost daily now, provide ZERO cover. So until NY state either stops its legal challenges or is somehow restrained (checkmate) in the courts, the BS will continue. Even then, NY will reset the court cases by passing yet another law restricting firearms.

 

[togmaster]

I believe the issuance of non-NYC residents is open to anyone, not just confined to NYS residents who live outside of NYC.

On a side note, I am currently in the hiring process of a PD department that runs EMS outside of NYC and they questioned me why I had so many different state CCW permits. I was taken back by this line of questioning and simply replied back to my investigator "because it's my second amendment right?". My investigator didn't say anything else beyond that, he was also perplexed by the amount of handguns and long guns I owned.

The audacity of some Police Officers is just befuddling to me. Just because you're LEO doesn't give you anymore right to own a gun than the common citizen. Sad part is, the above average gun owner/enthusiast is probably a better shot than most cops.

I am pro Blue line, but shit like that boils my fucking blood. I'm sure many of you agree with me. This is not to offend any of the members here who are currently/formerly an LEO.

If they are offended. Fuckem.

 

[curated]

As much as I believe in constitutional carry, I don’t see that day coming to NYS. Therefore given that I am stuck in this state for the time being I am about to take the 18 hour class and then obtain my CCW license. I am a resident of Suffolk (east end). Is there any reason I dont just get the NYC permit rather than the Suffolk permit? The NYC permit would allow me to carry state wide…Suffolk would not allow me to carry in NYC.

 

[Beerman]

Is that one o’ them new fangled streaker fired pistolas?

 

[Gunright]

PA gives you a book of rules when you get your CC permit.
NY doesn’t! NY wants you to screw up so they can take your rights away

Interesting- I never got said book of rules (in PA).

While doing some research a while back, I stumbled on this video which I found amusing when (towards the end) the news crew was suprised about how many had their LCF (License to Carry Firearm). Also not suprising in the video was the shitty attitude of the cop:


Interesting PA stat: LTC permits: 1,664,726; Sportsman permits: 9,341 as of January 2, 2025. That is on an adult population of 10,324,646 which incudes 18-20 year olds (who can't get a LCF - but a lawsuit is pending). This means that over 16.1% of the adults I meet are likely LCF holders. That is way higher than New Yorkistan.