Why penetration matters

[Edwardteach72]

A lot of people dont put to much thought into their carry ammo, some think they do and grab something designed for a 4" gun and put it in their 2" pocket gun.

Here is a video of a officer struggling with someone he is trying to arrest. And finally at one point there is a struggle for the officers gun and the officer fired a round. The round strikes the perp in the forearm. This was point blank, it even induced a malfunction.. the bigger issue it did not "stop" the threat other than the individual running off with a bullet in their arm.


Barriers are a thing in the real world, so are angles, good quality ammo with good penetration matched with the correct gun and barrel

Long video but the point of this post comes at the 3:50ish mark

 

[Marine Cpl]

Hollow points suck. I've been trying to tell all you guys that for years now.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'm still going to stay with Hollow points. But I'm going to use well made quality ones with consistent penetration. Ie HST and Speer Gold dots

 

[Steal2B]

Clickbait title. Thought this was about Schumer's aid who got fired.

 

[Marine Cpl]

I'm still going to stay with Hollow points. But I'm going to use well made quality ones with consistent penetration. Ie HST and Speer Gold dots

I'm pretty sure the cop wasn't using Hornandy Critical Defense.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I'm pretty sure the cop wasn't using Hornandy Critical Defense.

He was probably using critical duty idk

 

[Darth]

I still use the good old:

Frying
Annihilation
Recognition
Test

 

[Marine Cpl]

He was probably using critical duty idk

Those get about 18 inches in gel because they barely expand. Those would have gone through the forearm and into the chest with no problem.

 

[Blimey]

That video pissed me off. He should have disengaged with the guy early on and kicked the shit out of the woman in pink scolding him while he’s in the middle of a struggle. People are such idiots. Then another joins in later. Shameful.

 

[Marine Cpl]

That video pissed me off. He should have disengaged with the guy early on and kicked the shit out of the woman in pink scolding him while he’s in the middle of a struggle. People are such idiots. Then another joins in later. Shameful.

I think he handled himself well. The main threat is the perpetrator himself. I do think she should have been arrested later for interfering in a police action.

 

[Edwardteach72]

I think he handled himself well. The main threat is the perpetrator himself. I do think she should have been arrested later for interfering in a police action.

Agreed the officer did very well, even cleared his malfunction

 

[Eddie Gunks]

And here i thought this thread was gonna be ABOUT pussy......

 

[Blimey]

I think he handled himself well. The main threat is the perpetrator himself. I do think she should have been arrested later for interfering in a police action.

I meant let the guy go free just so he would be able to give full attention to her. How dare people step into something like this and start scolding a cop who’s actively arresting s violent individual?

 

[Edwardteach72]

And here i thought this thread was gonna be ABOUT pussy......

That's in the bar

 

[Eddie Gunks]

That's in the bar

What penetration is at the bar? You penetrating her? Or @GUNSICK penetrating you?

 

[Marine Cpl]

Does every fucking thread have to be derailed with gay shit with this fucking guy?

Enough is enough already.

 

[Robin]

Nobody know what those people were doing. Maybe they were telling the guy to stop fighting. The narrator doesn't know, he thought the woman with a sandal was going to film them. Sheesh!
Robin

 

[GUNSICK]

Does every fucking thread has to be derailed with gay shit with this fucking guy?

Enough is enough already.

@Eddie Gunks isnt gay he goes both ways.













Boys and men!

 

[Marine Cpl]

@Eddie Gunks isnt gay he goes both ways.













Boys and men!

Tell him it's old already.

 

[GUNSICK]

Tell him it's old already.

Old, pale, wrinkly and sickly looking. I assume you’ve met him before.

 

[Marine Cpl]

Hollow points are for collecting debts. FMJ's are for collecting souls.

 

[masterswimmer]

Click bait....

Why penetration matters

...because the last thing you want to hear is, 'is it in yet?'.

 

[Jaywmustang]

Wow, I thought it would have penatrated at that distance.

 

[S&W Fan]

Hollow points are for collecting debts. FMJ's are for collecting souls.

This isn’t new for those in the know. I’ve been carrying alternating fmj/ hst rounds in my carry gun for a few years now.
In the instance of that video however it’s irrelevant, cops can’t carry FMJ’s.

 

[Darth]

Hollow points are for collecting debts. FMJ's are for collecting souls.

"...and I'm all out of souls."

 

[Marine Cpl]

This isn’t new for those in the know. I’ve been carrying alternating fmj/ hst rounds in my carry gun for a few years now.
In the instance of that video however it’s irrelevant, cops can’t carry FMJ’s.

I dropped hollow points entirely. There's a guy on the m4carbine forum that his employment allows him to actually see bullet wounds in bodies. He says that he can't tell the difference between caliber, expansion, or ball rounds when studying the actual wounds. He says that recovered hollow points rarely look like they do in gel tests. They are usually mangled and partially expanded. The wounds don't look anything like they do in gel since the body can't stretch like gel can. And a bunch of other things.

Lots of what he says have matched what trauma surgeons and others have said.

One thing I do know is that before hollow points, FMJ'S have killed reliably. Now all of a sudden, they have somehow lost that ability.

 

[Robin]

........ and in that same line of thought, despite all the ballisticians, engineers, and internet experts, the .45 ACP out performs all the rest in close quarter conflict. Proven time and time again in the real world.
Robin

 

[Cooolone]

Alt FMJ/HP I've carried always!... For the matter (penetration), I always buy ammo at the edge of reason! Lol and try to stay away from commercial "safe" loads. Those are reserved for target shooting

.357 Sig at 1500+fps pretty much guarantees penetration of (most) objects it will encounter. Just like Magnum loads...

 

[gun_slinger_boy]

Hollow points are for collecting debts. FMJ's are for collecting souls.

And 45 ACP is for destroying them.

About the video. Are we sure that the bullet was lodged in his forearm? That seems very unlikely if it was 9mm of ANY kind (with exception to snakeshot). I think it just passed through but wasn't inline with his torso so it wouldn't have hit anyway.

 

[Marine Cpl]

And 45 ACP is for destroying them.

About the video. Are we sure that the bullet was lodged in his forearm? That seems very unlikely if it was 9mm of ANY kind (with exception to snakeshot). I think it just passed through but wasn't inline with his torso so it wouldn't have hit anyway.

Maybe.