Why we need more than 10 round mags !

[turbobike]

10mm is effective SD round no doubt,... It's only real down fall is it's overall length in auto pistols, leads to feeding reliability issues. (As preached by Tom Sundle of Buffalo Bore)
That's were the physics of the short and fat 45 acp is superior, a lower percentage of failure when your life is in danger.

 

[Steal2B]

He was proven to be full of shit. You should read more, but then if id doesn't jive with your cockamamy views, coupled with the facts that you have no first hand experience in the arena, then you wouldn't believe it anyway.
Remember, stay in your lane.
Robin

S.L.A. Marshall was a liar who pulled fake and impossible data out of his ass, lied about his WW1 service (he did not lead men in combat but was behind lines exclusively setting up delosing stations), and lied about his rank (he was enlisted and not a combat officer) and training. The quoted The "Ratio of Fire" Claim is bullshit.

Modern historians determined "Ratio under Fire" is a statistical fabrication, in fact after Marshall died, researchers confirmed (after inspecting his personal papers and field notes) that SLA Marshall had gathered no statistical data or written records that actually supported his famous conclusion and writing. The total number of infantry companies Marshall claimed to have interviewed also "shifted arbitrarily across his lectures and subsequent revisions of Men Against Fire."

Military analysts universally agree that "sustained tactical defense and unit survival would be mathematically impossible if 75% to 85% of a frontline force permanently refused to shoot back under heavy fire."

Historians "demonstrated that Marshall operated more as a dramatic combat journalist than an empirical researcher, inventing a convenient psychological myth."

 

[Vapor]

9mm is poor at stopping people. That's why I carryy ar10 everywhere I go.

 

[fresch]

If you are in a position where you are pulling a handgun in defense, how close are you to the person/people ?
Take a step towards them, place it under the chin and let her rip. Any caliber at that distance is better than your hand.

 

[Zerex]

I find you accusations about SLA to be generally fabricated, and by sources out to grind an ax.

S. L. A. Marshall - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was a SGT in WWI and ended up as a General.
He wrote 30 books none of which you list or claim as flawed or bogus.


You just want 30 round mags...............

 

[Steal2B]

I find you accusations about SLA

Get over it. SLAM was a fake news reporter in a uniform.

It is widely known, understood, and accepted S.L.A. Marshall was also a liar and a shameless self-promoter. His best-known book, Men Against Fire, is almost wholly, a work of fiction.

According to Robert Bateman and Military History in 2007.

"It has been known for more than a decade now that Marshall made up “facts” to support his personal theories and pet ideas. The most famous (or infamous) of those was his fiction that “no more than 15 percent of the men in combat fired their weapons in World War Two.”

"Even more damning than Marshall’s inflation of the number of interviews he conducted is the fact that he never seems to have asked anyone, “Did you fire your weapon in combat?” In none of his notes, either in the Army’s possession or on deposit in El Paso, Texas, or in re-interviews is there any record of his ever asking that question. "

none of which you list or claim as flawed or bogus.

His two quasi-theoretical works, Men Against Fire and The Soldier’s Load and the Mobility of a Nation are works of fiction and there are several other works where the heros who SLAM embellished report SLAM made the shit up in order to create a captivating work of fiction sold as a historical account of battle. The most famous example is Marshall’s account of then-Major (now retired Colonel) David Hackworth (who was in fact a real hero who did not need to have shit made up about his heroism) from the work "Battles in the Monsoon."

Again from Military History


According to Colonel Hackworth ... “Throughout the time he was with the battalion doing his AAR [after-action report] we were not under fire. I think this ‘war story’ came from his urgent need to be a warrior. Something he probably never was.” Once again, Marshall created fiction to bolster his image and inserted it directly into the historical record."

"Despite all the lies and the fabricated statistics about the behavior of men in combat, is there anything in what Marshall wrote from which military scholars can learn today? Surely there are nuggets of wisdom embedded in his texts, but is it worth the trouble to go mining for them? It would likely prove impossible to determine what is true and what are merely Marshall’s personal pet theories in his two quasi-theoretical works, Men Against Fire and The Soldier’s Load and the Mobility of a Nation. "

To pay the devil his dues, SLAM was a talented writer and he could turn a phrase better than most. I find it dishonorable and distasteful, however, to sell fiction as history. I also find stolen honor and lying to bolster self promotion unforgivable.

 

[dwa12479]

I find you accusations about SLA to be generally fabricated, and by sources out to grind an ax.

S. L. A. Marshall - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was a SGT in WWI and ended up as a General.
He wrote 30 books none of which you list or claim as flawed or bogus.


You just want 30 round mags...............

Cites Wikipedia! Lol

 

[Robin]

I find you accusations about SLA to be generally fabricated, and by sources out to grind an ax.

S. L. A. Marshall - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

He was a SGT in WWI and ended up as a General.
He wrote 30 books none of which you list or claim as flawed or bogus.


You just want 30 round mags...............

Well, you have convinced me. You are a complete idiot.
Robin

 

[Steal2B]

 

[nortatoga]

 

[Zerex]

I read all of Hackworths books, unlike you.

SLA was General Officer, and was no Fauci.

I can see how the Hochuls of the world, are intimidated by many gun owners that they read on line.

 

[Steal2B]

I read all of Hackworths books, unlike you.

Good for you, Dave used some big words.

 

[Zerex]

Hackworth was cashiered for his harsh big words about the Vietnam war.

His life afterwards, was generally tragic. His books are great reading, however.