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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Blimey
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Don't worry our economy will hit a recession well before $12/gallon gas
prambo
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The source I trust is also saying the same thing, especially the cyber.
The fUSA has managed to cobble together a rotting electrical grid, and other infrastructure, with computers.
One well thought out hack and it's lights out.
For what?
I don't particularly like Putin, but it's not our business.
We also don't owe the feckless and back-stabbing members of the EU fuck all.
Let Deutschland freeze.
livingston
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Germany freezes Nord Stream 2 gas project as Ukraine crisis deepens
BERLIN (Reuters) - Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany, after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine.
Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished in September, but has stood idle pending certification by Germany and the European Union.
The pipeline had been set to ease the pressure on European consumers facing record energy prices amid a wider post-pandemic cost of living crisis, and on governments that have already forked out billions to try to cushion the impact on consumers.
Germany freezes Nord Stream 2 gas project as Ukraine crisis deepens
Germany on Tuesday halted the Nord Stream 2 Baltic Sea gas pipeline project, designed to double the flow of Russian gas direct to Germany, after Russia formally recognised two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine. Europe's most divisive energy project, worth $11 billion, was finished in...
Vapor
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Then it's also one wrong move, one plane too close, one errant shot, one fired missile, and it's world War 3 with China licking its chops.
I'm off to buy more non perishable food.
prambo
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The ChiComs are just waiting for the right set of circumstances, and they will take Taiwan.
Their maneuveuring, weapons development and force development - particularly their navy - are focused on completely dominating the western Pacific.
holdover
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Putins speech in English
"I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties."
"Essentially, the so-called pro-Western civilisational choice made by the oligarchic Ukrainian authorities was not and is not aimed at creating better conditions in the interests of people’s well-being but at keeping the billions of dollars that the oligarchs have stolen from the Ukrainians and are holding in their accounts in Western banks, while reverently accommodating the geopolitical rivals of Russia.
Some industrial and financial groups and the parties and politicians on their payroll relied on the nationalists and radicals from the very beginning. Others claimed to be in favour of good relations with Russia and cultural and language diversity, coming to power with the help of their citizens who sincerely supported their declared aspirations, including the millions of people in the south-eastern regions. But after getting the positions they coveted, these people immediately betrayed their voters, going back on their election promises and instead steering a policy prompted by the radicals and sometimes even persecuting their former allies – the public organisations that supported bilingualism and cooperation with Russia. These people took advantage of the fact that their voters were mostly law-abiding citizens with moderate views who trusted the authorities, and that, unlike the radicals, they would not act aggressively or make use of illegal instruments."
"Ukraine itself was placed under external control, directed not only from the Western capitals, but also on the ground, as the saying goes, through an entire network of foreign advisors, NGOs and other institutions present in Ukraine. They have a direct bearing on all the key appointments and dismissals and on all branches of power at all levels, from the central government down to municipalities, as well as on state-owned companies and corporations, including Naftogaz, Ukrenergo, Ukrainian Railways, Ukroboronprom, Ukrposhta, and the Ukrainian Sea Ports Authority."
English translation:
"I would like to emphasise again that Ukraine is not just a neighbouring country for us. It is an inalienable part of our own history, culture and spiritual space. These are our comrades, those dearest to us – not only colleagues, friends and people who once served together, but also relatives, people bound by blood, by family ties."
"Essentially, the so-called pro-Western civilisational choice made by the oligarchic Ukrainian authorities was not and is not aimed at creating better conditions in the interests of people’s well-being but at keeping the billions of dollars that the oligarchs have stolen from the Ukrainians and are holding in their accounts in Western banks, while reverently accommodating the geopolitical rivals of Russia.
Some industrial and financial groups and the parties and politicians on their payroll relied on the nationalists and radicals from the very beginning. Others claimed to be in favour of good relations with Russia and cultural and language diversity, coming to power with the help of their citizens who sincerely supported their declared aspirations, including the millions of people in the south-eastern regions. But after getting the positions they coveted, these people immediately betrayed their voters, going back on their election promises and instead steering a policy prompted by the radicals and sometimes even persecuting their former allies – the public organisations that supported bilingualism and cooperation with Russia. These people took advantage of the fact that their voters were mostly law-abiding citizens with moderate views who trusted the authorities, and that, unlike the radicals, they would not act aggressively or make use of illegal instruments."
"Ukraine itself was placed under external control, directed not only from the Western capitals, but also on the ground, as the saying goes, through an entire network of foreign advisors, NGOs and other institutions present in Ukraine. They have a direct bearing on all the key appointments and dismissals and on all branches of power at all levels, from the central government down to municipalities, as well as on state-owned companies and corporations, including Naftogaz, Ukrenergo, Ukrainian Railways, Ukroboronprom, Ukrposhta, and the Ukrainian Sea Ports Authority."
English translation:
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holdover
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Theres no doubt in my mind that Biden's activity in the Ukraine is playing a part in all of this.
Blimey
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Western intel and media has done an accurate job relaying Russian intent and predicted it well.
I never thought I’d see the day when the USA is full of Russian apologists, cheering it on as it invades a neighbor. Indeed, this country isn’t what it used to be.
I never thought I’d see the day when the USA is full of Russian apologists, cheering it on as it invades a neighbor. Indeed, this country isn’t what it used to be.
BerettaGuy
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For those with NetFlix, I came across a movie I recommend. Munich - Edge of War. Not just a history lesson but very similar to what is happening with Putin today. Instead of Ukraine, it was Czechoslovakia. Instead of persecuting Jews, we persecute the unvaxed. So anyway, I recommend that everyone watch this movie NOW, or you can watch CNN and remain ignorant.
holdover
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Predicted? Thats one way to put it, Another way might be to say "caused"
Apologists? Really? NATO didnt do one dam thing to avert this, Ukraine lost the Crimea because they were going to make it a NATO port .
You cant see who the instigator is in this?
China or Russia putting a naval base in Toronto is just unacceptable. We would move on it in a minute
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I don't apologize for Mother Russia. I am proud of her and those who don't like it can kiss my arse.
holdover
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How many people were killed in this invasion?
Dr. Evil
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Question from reporter:
"Will sanctions deter Putin?"
Answer from Harris:
"Within the context then of the fact that that window is still opening, although, open, although it is absolutely narrowing, but within the context of a diplomatic path still being open." (Actual quote)
I see what Brandon has is contagious. Their agenda is to only serve the puppet masters.
"Will sanctions deter Putin?"
Answer from Harris:
"Within the context then of the fact that that window is still opening, although, open, although it is absolutely narrowing, but within the context of a diplomatic path still being open." (Actual quote)
I see what Brandon has is contagious. Their agenda is to only serve the puppet masters.
holdover
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How in the fuck can the window , which is presently opening become more narrow? WTF??
You know Putin is firing his interpreters because they arnt making any sense.
You know Putin is firing his interpreters because they arnt making any sense.
Blimey
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You are absolutely an apologist for Russia. Russia alone has invaded a sovereign nation, nobody else.
And all you can do is blame the west.
Ukrainian puppet president was kicked out during a Ukrainian uprising in 2014 and ran off to daddy Putin. Now the president of Belarus has also sold his soul to Putin. No wonder nato was able to find new members this century.
Ukrainian New Yorkers brace for war, compare Putin to Hitler
Members of Ukraine’s New York immigrant community are bracing for war — comparing Russian President Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler following his incendiary televised speech Monday and his army’s oc…
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Blimey
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Blimey
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I meant to watch this—looks good.
holdover
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You are absolutely an apologist for Russia. Russia alone has invaded a sovereign nation, nobody else.
And all you can do is blame the west.
Ukrainian puppet president was kicked out during a Ukrainian uprising in 2014 and ran off to daddy Putin. Now the president of Belarus has also sold his soul to Putin. No wonder nato was able to find new members this century.
Ukrainian New Yorkers brace for war, compare Putin to Hitler
Members of Ukraine’s New York immigrant community are bracing for war — comparing Russian President Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler following his incendiary televised speech Monday and his army’s oc…
No Im not. lets call a spade a spade. the rules in which the US has constructed are crooked as hell . Tell me with a straight face that The US has'nt commited war crimes . But when Russia does it you cry foul? Its not Ok for Russia to put Nukes in Cuba or We will invade?
Come on man, right is right and wrong is wrong.
The upriseing in the Ukraine was backed by the CIA . Theres a battle going on between the powers here both sides wanted the Ukraine
I dont want my country conducting foreign policy like this because it makes Americans targets , not because I love Russia. If an unforseen event happens We could see nukes being flung. This is dangerous shit , and the leaders of this country are not capeable of leading or handling it
I try to be as objective as I can, and if it means I have to criticize the policy's of my country then so be it . I saw what they did in Vietnam, I saw what they did in Iraq, I saw what they did in Yugoslavia, I saw what they did in Afganistan I saw what they did Libya , I saw what they did in Syria.
This is the biggest organized crime family the world has ever seen.
And Whats your answer to this by the way? You think NATO should attack Russia? You think NATO should have rolled in tanks across the border from Russia ?
Did not the Russians say months ago , remove the weapons or We will? You think We should fight the Russians in thier own backyard over a small country like Ukraine? Whats your answer?
Sorry man, Im not an apologist , Im calling out the hypocrisy of our foreign policy.
I love my country same as you , but these leaders are criminal . Sorry, I have to say that. I dont want to.
holdover
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You want to read how American foreign policy is conducted? Read confessions of an economic hitman. Its eye opening
holdover
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You have broken this down into its simplest form while disregarding the details and reasons that lead up to it. This is the way a kid would look at world events . Im not insulting you, Im saying this is a massively simplistic view.
If Putin wanted the Ukraine like you say, why didnt he take it? why stop in the Donbass? He's is going to be sanctioned anyway , The US wont commit to battle there, in for a penny, in for pound .
I watched it. The main story between the two primary characters is quite good. But the depiction of Neville chamberlain is revisionist nonsense. I can't believe the film actually makes him out to be some sort of far sighted genius when the truth was the exact opposite.
You are absolutely an apologist for Russia. Russia alone has invaded a sovereign nation, nobody else.
And all you can do is blame the west.
Ukrainian puppet president was kicked out during a Ukrainian uprising in 2014 and ran off to daddy Putin. Now the president of Belarus has also sold his soul to Putin. No wonder nato was able to find new members this century.
Ukrainian New Yorkers brace for war, compare Putin to Hitler
Members of Ukraine’s New York immigrant community are bracing for war — comparing Russian President Vladimir Putin to Adolf Hitler following his incendiary televised speech Monday and his army’s oc…
I absolutely blame the west for a lot of what is happening. If people cannot see that what the west has done in the past few years has had an impact, they are blinded by their own ignorance.
Acer-m14
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U.S. foreign policy is based on deeply ingrained Russophobia. The phrase "to contain Russia" itself, speaks volumes. Russians are wild animals that need to be caged or they will do something really awful, like destroying ISIS or Nazi Germany.
The only acceptable Russian leader is someone who will assist in destroying his own country, but even then he is not praised, just tolerated.
There is nothing really in the U.S. to challenge Russophobic narratives and propaganda. There are no organizations to promote Russian culture and defend Russian history against hatemongering in politics and in the media. There is nothing like Knights of Columbus or similar Irish, German and Hispanic organizations. Russian-Americans who speak up for fair treatment of Russia or against distortion of its history and foreign policy are accused of being unpatriotic.
All this despite the fact that we were never in actual war with Russia, unlike half of European countries most Russophobs came from.
The only acceptable Russian leader is someone who will assist in destroying his own country, but even then he is not praised, just tolerated.
There is nothing really in the U.S. to challenge Russophobic narratives and propaganda. There are no organizations to promote Russian culture and defend Russian history against hatemongering in politics and in the media. There is nothing like Knights of Columbus or similar Irish, German and Hispanic organizations. Russian-Americans who speak up for fair treatment of Russia or against distortion of its history and foreign policy are accused of being unpatriotic.
All this despite the fact that we were never in actual war with Russia, unlike half of European countries most Russophobs came from.
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Steal2B
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Pretty Sure she has alot of experience, not so sure she is any good at it.
I'd bet she has a Quantity vs Quality issue going on.
Blimey
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I break it down because it is a simple matter. The rest is, as I said, russian-apologetics; justification of what is quite simply, unequivocally an invasion by Russia into a neighbor.
You seem to have no qualms about the millions of ukranians being used as a whipping boy by Russia if it doesn't get its way with the west. Russia doesn't get its way with the west so it gets to invade ukraine as a consolation prize.
I've noticed in recent years--and particularly here based on likes of various comments--that an alarming number of people in the USA are frankly rooting for putin. In some cases it's a pathological loathing of biden that leads them to root for a dictator invading another country. They are okay with ukraine being overrun because of how they think it will reflect badly on biden. Trump was tripping over himself with admiration of putin yesterday. Tucker was emphatic in a long diatribe extoling Whataboutism - Wikipedia and how Putin didn't try to get him fired.