BerettaGuy
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Definitely, a lesson to be learned here for the gun owners that think it is okay to register guns.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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At least the mean tweets stopped. Am I right???
I wish it was funny. But it's downright sad.
People are dying and the world is destabilized because our ministry of propoganda spent 5 years berating Trump and seeking to undermine him at every turn. They literally convinced people to vote for Biden because they promised he would make America respected globally again.
Well how did that shit work out. There are even multiple people here on this forum who voted for him for similar reasons. Opps.
The world has gone to shit since Trump left office.
Whether you like trump as a president or a man can be debated, but no one can possibly argue the world is better off now than it was in 2016-2020.
Even many Biden voters are realizing this.
Too late.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
This shows me just how serious the west is in stopping Putin. 
oilprice.com
U.S. Sanctions Will Not Target Russia's Oil And Gas Exports | OilPrice.com
The sanctions that the United States is imposing on Russia for recognizing two breakaway regions in eastern Ukraine and sending troops there are not targeting Russian oil and gas flows
oilprice.com
BerettaGuy
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I have noticed that the American News Services are deferring to foreign correspondents on the front line. I am also noticing a bunch of 30 something snowflakes trying to report on a war in Ukraine having been sheltered their whole lives by fact-checkers and news editors trained in sensitivity training their whole life. American "news" can't seem to make a report without either talking about Trump and Biden warning somebody or something. I hope our military is on top of the situation and not worried about the sensibilities of the Washington DC bureaucrats. I hope we are at DEFCON1. Anyway, I found some European sources that are reporting pretty well about what is happening.
Here is one, but open to other suggestions that you may find.
Here is one, but open to other suggestions that you may find.
Agreed. I've seen this on multiple news outlets. It's very strange coverage to be using during a war.
Except I really hope we're not at defcon 1 because I'm not in my basement.....
I'll settle for defcon 2.
BerettaGuy
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In case you have the opportunity to speak intelligently about Ukraine.
Population, size, etc.
PS. Forshits and giggles I went to CNN webpage. Several times they mention that "CNN Crews" in Ukraine hear explosions.
Kinda figured they would make it about them.
Population, size, etc.
PS. Forshits and giggles I went to CNN webpage. Several times they mention that "CNN Crews" in Ukraine hear explosions.
Kinda figured they would make it about them.
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That ended over 30 years ago.
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BerettaGuy
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CNN screenshot. Trying to make it about them and of course Trump.
holdover
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Ive seen the CNN reporter at a particular road crossing, showing the exact location of Russian artillery fire. What they are doing is pinpointing Russian positions for the Ukrainan army. He was saying Im standing at xx in xx and artillery fire right behind me about 2 miles away are fireing.
Now anyone with a brain can deduce the exact location of the artillery . Thats why they are clarifying thier locations times, Russian positions, weapons , they are acting as Ukranian recon almost. Our military intell is processing whatever they can get and most likely giving to forces in the area.
BerettaGuy
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MY OPED! The most important thing about the Russian Invasion is how the world will react, or not react. Why? Because guess who is watching how the rest of the world reacts. Xi Xiping!
Blimey
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Agree, but most of this has been in the works for a long time. This is just phase II of Russia's acquisition of ukraine, which began by force years ago. Putin was happy with how Crimea turned out, waited for the world to acclimate to it, and now is doing this. There was also the russo-georgian war in 2008, which happened while bush was in power.
People say this wouldn't have happened under Trump,, but at the same time insist the USA should not get militarily involved, which means limited options.
livingston
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Mitt Romney Blames ‘Shortsightedness’ of America First for Putin’s Invasion of Ukraine
“Putin’s impunity predictably follows our tepid response to his previous horrors in Georgia and Crimea, our naive efforts at a one-sided ‘reset’ and the shortsightedness of ‘America First,'” Romney said in a statement released on social media Wednesday evening.
Mitt Romney Blames 'Shortsightedness' of America First for Putin Invasion of Ukraine
Sen. Mitt Romney (R-UT) blamed former President Donald Trump's policy of "America first" after Vladimir Putin announced a military operation.
www.breitbart.com
holdover
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Those javlin missiles wont help a whole lot because Russian tanks are fitted with an active protection system . We dont have it yet on our tanks but its an anti missiles system that engages missiles before they strike. Not reactive armor, this is new 5 gen stuff
That's a fair point. I get the wanting your cake and to eat it too.
The fact is America is perceived as weak, chaotic and void of any coherent foreign policy. Nature abhors a vacuum. Other countries laugh that we can't even secure our own border but want to be concerned with other countries borders. It's very incongruous logic with no moral standing.
Xi is oogling this Ukraine situation and Taiwan like a virgin in a whorehouse.
As short sighted as it may be, I still want no part of US Involvement. If we are stupid enough to get involved they better be ready to commit all the way to having ww3 and having our country destroyed because those are the risks.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
I am sure Biden is sending them all the intel they need .. Or can absorb
holdover
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watching the American withdraw from Afghanistan had to embolden the Russian leadership .
I still think Biden had some kind of hint of what was going to happen and needed to pull the troops out ASAP
I still think Biden had some kind of hint of what was going to happen and needed to pull the troops out ASAP
Blimey
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The effectiveness of that system doesn't appear to be well known. Assuming the ukranian military does attempt to repel this I guess we'll find out soon enough.
US is weak. We are more a paper tiger every year. Afghanistan was an utterly pathetic escapade, catastrophically mismanaged by four consecutive administrations.
China, as Russia, will make its decisions on Taiwan within the context of how it will hit them economically. The problem with sanctions is they also hurt the person sanctioning. If China sees the west unwilling to really hurt itself much in an effort to hurt russia worse it will know we haven't the stomach.
If there is one thing I can say with certainty it is that you do not know Russian history. You absolutely do know Russian propaganda, and very well I will add. You cannot admit Stalin killed millions, which puts you on the same field of ignorance as holocaust deniers.
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They welded cages on top of the turret to get the javelins to detonate above the tanks.
Blimey
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God I would not want to be in that tank even if it does bring the javelin below the level of lethal.
Based on a half assed quick read about these cages I think they won't be very helpful.
Ukraine has been supplied with javelins, which can be fired from even within a building. You pop it off then immediately gain cover, as it autonomously hits the target. I predict they will be powerful against russian armor if/when used.
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prambo
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Well, I sure got this one wrong - already used up my 5 "Senior Moments" for February, so I'll have to eat this one.
Me neither - we never should have assumed the role as the "world's policemen" - now we haven't got the leadership or military to do much of anything.
Hope in one hand….something something.
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Those modifications are specifically made to counter the top striking javelins. If it saves the tank it's an ingenious and cheap counter measure to an expensive weapon system that Ukraine needs to be effective.
Blimey
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Reading more I don't think they're going to do a thing except give a false sense of security to the tank crew.
As king-dildo-chucker-1 adds "Can confirm. I was a Javelin instructor back in the day. Those things fuck."
The javelin has a frontal charge intended to break through an initial barrier.
Ukrainian Troops Test Javelin Missile Against Russian Cage-Style Improvised Tank Armor
Recent live-fire maneuvers have pitted the American-supplied anti-tank missiles against the kind of ad-hoc armor now appearing on some Russian tanks.
www.thedrive.com
Who is king dildo chucker?
Maybe they'll work, maybe not. But giving the tank crews confidence matters even if it's false.
Blimey
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One of the people posting in that thread on reddit
holdover
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Steal2B
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Sad reality. FU to the 81 million Biden voters, many of who are turning in their graves.
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