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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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holdover
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The gunfire is so loud it sounds like static
FrankenCub
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You have a good live feed?
Steal2B
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Chinese banks restrict lending to Russia, dealing blow to Moscow
Two Chinese state-owned banks will restrict financing for Russian commodity purchases, suggesting limits to Beijing's support as the Kremlin confronts economic sanctions over its attack of Ukraine.
www.foxbusiness.com
Blimey
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Apparently their “abstain” at the UN Security Council was a surprise.Chinese banks restrict lending to Russia, dealing blow to Moscow
Two Chinese state-owned banks will restrict financing for Russian commodity purchases, suggesting limits to Beijing's support as the Kremlin confronts economic sanctions over its attack of Ukraine.
I gotta wonder if Putin is thinking he fucked up. If they attempt to occupy Ukraine they will get past Soviet losses in Afghanistan fast. I am convinced a large chunk of Ukraine will simply not tolerate occupation. They will hunt Russian soldiers for sport and fill the internet with their trophy kills to keep up momentum.
With every dead Ukrainian Putin’s bullshit about freeing Ukraine is even more laughable. Like a Murder when one psycho parent kills the kids to save them from the evils of the other parent.
GOYABEAN
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Burn baby burn
ArmedCorgi
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Kinzinger: United States, NATO Must Declare Ukraine No-Fly Zone and Enforce It
Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) said Friday on CNN's "The Situation Room" that "at the invitation of Ukraine" we should declare Ukraine a no-fly zone "enforced by NATO and the United States." | Clips
www.breitbart.com
"I’ve got to tell you, for anybody that thinks that somehow we’re going to be equally matched with Russia, NATO, and the United States would crush Russia in the air in a second. We have to remember how good we are at that. That can be the thing that can give the Ukrainians a fighting ability to prevent the occupation of Kyiv, but they won’t go quietly into the night.”
How would getting involved like that not increase the potential for nuclear war?
Blimey
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It would increase it.Kinzinger: United States, NATO Must Declare Ukraine No-Fly Zone and Enforce It
Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) said Friday on CNN's "The Situation Room" that "at the invitation of Ukraine" we should declare Ukraine a no-fly zone "enforced by NATO and the United States." | Clips
"I’ve got to tell you, for anybody that thinks that somehow we’re going to be equally matched with Russia, NATO, and the United States would crush Russia in the air in a second. We have to remember how good we are at that. That can be the thing that can give the Ukrainians a fighting ability to prevent the occupation of Kyiv, but they won’t go quietly into the night.”
How would getting involved like that not increase the potential for nuclear war?
There is no logical reason to think Putin would use nukes in this scenario, however.
MothMan
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Yes, my side. Whatever may be taking place 6000 miles away I will continue to best enhance my position/status/state to my family's advantage. I will not become distracted by events beyond my control, aware of yes distracted by no. I will not spend time gnashing teeth over spewed agitprop. I will continue to move forward with laid plans to protect my family from the "fallout" of this war/conflict/police action by any means.
I am on my side.
Dr. Evil
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A good rule of thumb is to ignore anything that idiot has to say.Kinzinger: United States, NATO Must Declare Ukraine No-Fly Zone and Enforce It
Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) said Friday on CNN's "The Situation Room" that "at the invitation of Ukraine" we should declare Ukraine a no-fly zone "enforced by NATO and the United States." | Clips
"I’ve got to tell you, for anybody that thinks that somehow we’re going to be equally matched with Russia, NATO, and the United States would crush Russia in the air in a second. We have to remember how good we are at that. That can be the thing that can give the Ukrainians a fighting ability to prevent the occupation of Kyiv, but they won’t go quietly into the night.”
How would getting involved like that not increase the potential for nuclear war?
spat
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Because MAD is still a thing.Kinzinger: United States, NATO Must Declare Ukraine No-Fly Zone and Enforce It
Representative Adam Kinzinger (R-IL) said Friday on CNN's "The Situation Room" that "at the invitation of Ukraine" we should declare Ukraine a no-fly zone "enforced by NATO and the United States." | Clips
"I’ve got to tell you, for anybody that thinks that somehow we’re going to be equally matched with Russia, NATO, and the United States would crush Russia in the air in a second. We have to remember how good we are at that. That can be the thing that can give the Ukrainians a fighting ability to prevent the occupation of Kyiv, but they won’t go quietly into the night.”
How would getting involved like that not increase the potential for nuclear war?
Putin wants Ukraine, but he'd like Moscow not to glow in the dark more.
He knows that is not a game he wants to play.
If we really wanted to stop this, we could have leased Ukraine a few dozen tactical nukes the way we lease them to the brits.
If we'd done that a year ago, Putin would have had an absolute fit, but he would not have left Russia to do it.
GOYABEAN
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80 million + voters couldn't be wrong let's go Brandon 
ArmedCorgi
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I know MAD is still a thing. Apparently having competent, strong leadership isn't.
Blimey
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Our collective leadership has gone mad.
today the UN Security Council met for a resolution against Russia. Russia presided over the vote, as it was its turn, and vetoed the resolution. Since it has veto power the UN Security Council resolution did not pass.
We paid money for that.
Something else:
Trump calls Putin 'genius' and 'savvy' for Ukraine invasion
The former president's praise for Putin comes at a perilous geopolitical moment in Europe.www.politico.com
But it's more than just that.
Trump was impeached for withholding military aid from Ukraine for political favors.
He's praised Putin on many occasions, not just this one, for tyrannical acts. Called him a "strong leader" and even congratulating Putin for "outsmarting" the U.S.
Trump dismissed Russian hacking claims in the 2016 election, which later turned out to be true (and to Trump's benefit, no less).
Trump has repeated talking points straight out of the Kremlin on the annexation of Crimea, claiming Crimeans preferred their Russian owners to their Ukrainian sovereignty.
Trump wanted to dismantle NATO, which would have befitted Putin.
Trump wanted to allow Russia into G7, which would have benefited Putin.
Trump withdrew from Open Skies AFTER HIS DEFEAT, which helped Putin.
There's quite a bit more history documenting Trump's infatuation with Putin. The man factually weakened the Western world to a Russian assault just like the one in Ukraine currently.
Bash Biden all you want, but acting as though "this wouldn't happen on Trump's watch" is such asinine horsecrap. Trump would have cheered on the invasion, most likely (as he's doing now, but as President), and let's not discount the potential that he would have taken steps to ease Putin's takeover of Ukraine.
I don't give two shits about whatever "double standard" Putin sees between U.S. condemnations of his actions, and U.S. actions in other sovereign countries. It's not right when Putin does it, and it's not right when we do it. That doesn't mean we have to sit down and shut up as Putin invades another country.
This "we did it too, so we can't criticize" is baloney. It's wrong. We should all be better, and it's righteous to stand up and tell Putin (and Bush, and Obama, and Biden) when they're being warmongering pieces of shit.
Some serious lies, mis-truths and propaganda in this post.
holdover
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A no fly zone? LOL, Ok NATO takes out the Russian airforce. Basicly leaving thier homeland almost defenseless, Now what does Russia do? What does she have left?
Steal2B
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Yeah, you would think that when you get something so broken through the mail, we would have been given a better return policy to send the asshole back
Blimey
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Russia learns after the first few dozen helicopters are taken out to stay out of Ukraine.
I respect your loyalty. I hope I am always loyal, and patriotic as warranted.
I have tried to stay away form the MSM during all of this. MSM from all sides. Seems like nothing at all but lies and really bad propaganda.
Can't seem to find any real truths.
I asked a question earlier in this thread as well as a poll on supporting this side or that.
I, like others, am trying to learn as much fact and truth as I can prior to "picking" a side. Many around the world seem to be jumping to conclusions without knowing even have of the facts. So many lies.....
Much like @dsdmmat , I will be an observer, if the US actually gets involved, really involved, I will 100% support out troops and their plight. Maybe I will even come out of retirement. (Not as a fighter, too old and far to broken)
Can't seem to find any real truths.
I asked a question earlier in this thread as well as a poll on supporting this side or that.
I, like others, am trying to learn as much fact and truth as I can prior to "picking" a side. Many around the world seem to be jumping to conclusions without knowing even have of the facts. So many lies.....
Much like @dsdmmat , I will be an observer, if the US actually gets involved, really involved, I will 100% support out troops and their plight. Maybe I will even come out of retirement. (Not as a fighter, too old and far to broken)
Steal2B
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GOYABEAN
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GOYABEAN
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NATO amounts to having the fox in the hen house!
holdover
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No, you backed her into a corner.
Steal2B
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Reported by NBC and confirmed in UN Security Counsel statements.
www.washingtonexaminer.com
WTF
Russia ally Kazakhstan denies request to join attack on Ukraine: Report
Kazakhstan, a neighbor and ally of Russia, has reportedly denied a request for its troops to join Russian forces in their invasion of Ukraine. The former
www.washingtonexaminer.com
WTF
holdover
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Take it with a grain of salt, but if the Russian economy collaspes , there could be a revolution in Russia. no need for nukes. or a WW3
holdover
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Reported by NBC and confirmed in UN Security Counsel statements.
Russia ally Kazakhstan denies request to join attack on Ukraine: Report
Kazakhstan, a neighbor and ally of Russia, has reportedly denied a request for its troops to join Russian forces in their invasion of Ukraine. The former
WTF
Well That was rude.
Steal2B
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I'll say it again .... drill baby drill