Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[livingston]

We think we're hurting Russia. Which we are.

But Russia is pretty resilient they have been dealing with crap like this for decades I'm sure it's not an unexpected surprise. It's going to hurt them short term but look for them to develop their own system or cooperate with china.

This action may very well be a catalyst for the USD losing some or all of its global reserve currency status, and when that day happens our debt will matter. It will be game over.

Talk is all these country's sending arms to support Ukraine....You want to fight a real war .. Stop buying oil from Russia and joebama throws open our oil production. .. Opens the industry wide up.. .. You are not seeing it happen and no country is saying .. No more oil Dollars to Putin...
No one is serious about this...

 

[livingston]

Radiation levels spiked at Chernobyl. Biden to the rescue in 3 ,2,1

Increased levels of radiation measured at Chernobyl after Russian forces take control

Officials in Ukraine say measurements at the site of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster have shown increased radiation levels after Russian troops took control of the former nuclear power plant.

ktla.com

Joebama will get a Nobel Peace prize for doing nothing. Just like Obama.

 

[livingston]

Radiation levels spiked at Chernobyl. Biden to the rescue in 3 ,2,1

Increased levels of radiation measured at Chernobyl after Russian forces take control

Officials in Ukraine say measurements at the site of the Chernobyl nuclear disaster have shown increased radiation levels after Russian troops took control of the former nuclear power plant.

ktla.com

Are they spiking ? How does one verify this ? They shut the world down because of Covid .. Now will it be because of Chernobyl ? ... Have to hike that fear of nuke power all over again... Have to promote more windmills

Please excuse my jaded outlook. We have been through 2 years of Covid lies

 

[dsdmmat]

Has anyone else noticed the Freedom Convoy has disappeared from the news.

 

[MothMan]

Has anyone else noticed the Freedom Convoy has disappeared from the news.

When and if they make it to DC they will be labeled traitors for not supporting China Joe while he is saving the world from war!

 

[tirwin1]

If this escalates (and that seems likely now), the next step is China going into Taiwain.

Make no mistake, Xi is very carefully watching the worlds reaction to Putin's adventurism. If out reaction is little more than "stop, or I'll say stop again" he will take that as a green light.

If we do not react strongly, we are sending the message that "Imperialism is back on the menu boys".

People do not realize how incredibly peaceful the world has been since 1945. The Pax Americana is very real, and may be ending.

Most people have no idea what the world will look like if we revert to the pre-1945 state of perpetual war. The minor skirmishes we have been involved in since then are nothing in the grand scheme of things.

This is exactly the thesis of Peter Zeihan's books. The most recent is below.

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Spat is correct. The US has guaranteed freedom of the seas since the end of WW2 which has led to unprecedented prosperity. We are now pulling back which means regional conflicts will erupt.

He predicts the US will be ok (despite democrats doing stupid things). However the prediction for many countries is not good. Any nation that depends on imports of food is in for very dark times. Hello China.

 

[Mosinitis]

The latest on possible peace talks between Russia and Ukraine.

Ukraine agrees to hold talks with Russia in Belarus – Moscow

A Ukrainian delegation was dispatched on Sunday to Belarus to negotiate with Russian officials, according to Moscow

www.rt.com

 

[Blimey]

Google Nazis in Ukraine. No one even denies it, they just play it down.

Y’all so desperate you’re now pretending Russia is fighting nazis even tho ukranian president was born to two Jewish parents

 

[Blimey]

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This was already debunked.

In fact I see repeated posts in this thread of a similar nature, none of which are true.

If the news was doing this wouldn’t it be smart enough to change the guy’s name at least?

 

[prambo]

Maybe this will ring a bell? Grandpa served in the Waffen SS

The 14th Waffen Grenadier Division of the SS (1st Ukrainian) (German: 14. Waffen Grenadier Division der SS (galizische Nr.1), prior to 1944 titled the 14th SS-Volunteer Division "Galician" (German: 14. SS-Freiwilligen Division "Galizien")[1] was a World War II German military formation initially made up of volunteers from the region of Galicia with a Ukrainian ethnic background[2] but later also incorporated Slovaks, Czechs[2][3] and Dutch volunteers and officers.[4] Formed in 1943, it was largely destroyed in the battle of Brody, reformed, and saw action in Slovakia, Yugoslavia and Austria before being renamed the first division of the Ukrainian National Army and surrendering to the Western Allies by 10 May 1945.

14th Waffen Grenadier SS

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To paraphrase Jake Blues...

Ukrainian Nazis! I hate Ukrainian Nazis!!

 

[Blimey]

Talk is all these country's sending arms to support Ukraine....You want to fight a real war .. Stop buying oil from Russia and joebama throws open our oil production. .. Opens the industry wide up.. .. You are not seeing it happen and no country is saying .. No more oil Dollars to Putin...
No one is serious about this...

That’s because to really hurt Russia with sanctions we have to endure pain. People stand with Ukraine but will they pay $6 for gas? Some would, but talk is cheap. Many wouldn’t. Would Germans be willing to turn thermostats down and pay more each month? So far the answer has been no.

 

[prambo]

Everyone is talking about "which side do you support?".

Neither, because of the depth and breadth of the manipulated "news" on this, and the massive mis-, dis- and malinformation campaign - DHS - that was started the minute Trump came down the staircase, and continues until this second, regardless of the "fear" of the day...

For me, Neil Oliver pretty much covers it...

 

[Mosinitis]

Y’all so desperate you’re now pretending Russia is fighting nazis even tho ukranian president was born to two Jewish parents

Many in neo-Nazi movements in Europe backed off from anti-semitic doctrine. . There is even some attempt at reconciliation, Russians replaced Jews as the main enemy. Kill the Russians is chanted in every Ukrainian Nationalist rally.

And there is this:

 

[Mosinitis]

There is a reason this book was written.

 

[livingston]

This was already debunked.

In fact I see repeated posts in this thread of a similar nature, none of which are true.

If the news was doing this wouldn’t it be smart enough to change the guy’s name at least?

You really need to read the whole thread before you attack people....
I was replying to this comment
As has been said repeatedly in this thread "the first casualty is truth" clearly that's evident in "instant" internet based media and social media.

Anyone can post anything and make it look damn convincing and truthful.

George Orwell himself couldn't even dream how effective this would be.

 

[livingston]

That’s because to really hurt Russia with sanctions we have to endure pain. People stand with Ukraine but will they pay $6 for gas? Some would, but talk is cheap. Many wouldn’t. Would Germans be willing to turn thermostats down and pay more each month? So far the answer has been no.

From what I have read you could be paying over $10/gal ... Right where joebama wants it so EV's will be as cheap to buy and run as a diesel or gas engine

 

[Blimey]

Many in neo-Nazi movements in Europe backed off from anti-semitic doctrine. . There is even some attempt at reconciliation, Russians replaced Jews as the main enemy. Kill the Russians is chanted in every Ukrainian Nationalist rally.

And there is this:

Oh give it up. We have nazis in America, too. Let’s invite Russia to come pacify them.

 

[Blimey]

You really need to read the whole thread before you attack people....
I was replying to this comment
As has been said repeatedly in this thread "the first casualty is truth" clearly that's evident in "instant" internet based media and social media.

Anyone can post anything and make it look damn convincing and truthful.

George Orwell himself couldn't even dream how effective this would be.

Not attacking

Lots of lies going around for sure.

some of the stories like the ghost of Kiev smell a bit fishy…

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Putin puts Russia's nuclear forces on alert as fighting in Ukraine continues

The order means Putin has ordered Russia's nuclear weapons prepared for increased readiness to launch.

www.cbsnews.com

Also road Mobile topol-m ICBMS have been spotted transiting in public to deployed locations.

You don't move a bunch of nuclear ICBMs around for fun. It's serious.

Russia is essentially on their version of DEFCON 2

 

[Mosinitis]

Oh give it up. We have nazis in America, too. Let’s invite Russia to come pacify them.

We have armed neo-nazis units fighting on our territory? Where?

 

[Mosinitis]

Dumb ass, jaded Anglo-Saxon cunt is at it again.

UK warns of Russia-NATO conflict

UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss warned the Ukraine conflict could last “years” and could result in a direct conflict between Russia and NATO

www.rt.com

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

We have armed neo-nazis units fighting on our territory? Where?

Yea I'm pretty sympathetic to Ukraine at this point but that azov battalion is sketchy as hell....

Not sure what the hell is going on with them. They are unapologetically proud neo Nazis.

That's not the same as our media branding us all as "white supremacists". Because it's absurd and false.

The Azov battalion is made of literal Ukrainian Nazis... Quick I know what to do!! someone let antifa know where they can find REAL Nazis!!!

 

[livingston]

Yea I'm pretty sympathetic to Ukraine at this point but that azov battalion is sketchy as hell....

Not sure what the hell is going on with them. They are unapologetically proud neo Nazis.

That's not the same as our media branding us all as "white supremacists". Because it's absurd and false.

The Azov battalion is made of literal Ukrainian Nazis... Quick I know what to do!! someone let antifa know where they can find REAL Nazis!!!

Antifa ...They only do a beat down on old woman

 

[Dr. Evil]

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I'd be nervous if I were him. They say bad things happen in 3's.

 

[Steal2B]

Yea I'm pretty sympathetic to Ukraine at this point but that azov battalion is sketchy as hell.

Yeah, but it is still being used as a Putin propaganda point. There are still maybe an equal number (but less branded) far right fringe white supremacists who support Putin. Putin has long been a magnet for far right fringe groups. Hell, some of the links in this thread covering Asov's fringe ranks also mention Putin's ranks with their far right white supremacist elements.

 

[Celt]

Dumb ass, jaded Anglo-Saxon cunt is at it again.

UK warns of Russia-NATO conflict

UK Foreign Secretary Liz Truss warned the Ukraine conflict could last “years” and could result in a direct conflict between Russia and NATO

www.rt.com

The irony of calling someone jaded while pointing out his heritage would be comical if it was meant as a joke.

 

[That_FNG]

I have to wonder what putins plan is. I feel like there is piece of the puzzle yet to be revealed or that is missing. (I’m assuming Putin thinks with logic and rational thought and is not stark raving mad)
Putin to me has never come off as a tyrant or a dictator. He has always seemed to me as a mafia type, a crime boss/mob boss ex KGB type. There has to be a benefit in it for him and his mafia. Idk see how invading Ukraine offered him much. Ok sure you invade and then what? You occupy the country and have an endless guerrilla war on your hands? Continually drain your military of equipment and manpower? I’m pretty sure the Russians remember their time in Afghanistan and don’t necessarily want to repeat that. Ok so you invade the country and then just leave? What benefit is that? Thru various means the entire world has turned against Putin and Russia. Cut Russia off economically from the rest of the world? Where is the benefit to doing all this? The cost of doing this has to less than the reward for whatever success the Russians are chasing. I understand the timing of invading now. America and Europe are run by weak leaders, their militaries focused on gender and being woke, fighting covid etc. if you were going to invade Ukraine the timing makes sense. What I’m questioning is the why. It also appears as though Russia has not been necessarily sending their best troops and best equipment, instead sending older equipment and the equivalent of our JROTC and national guard weekend warriors for the most part. Why hold back from using your best in order to have a fast quick victory? Something seems up, like the best hand has yet to be played.

Edit:

it also seems like the entire world has United now to some degree against Russia (even begrudgingly China has said stuff and done a little something banking wise) you have soros, Clinton, Biden, Kerry etc all in support of Ukraine. What if Putin is not the one pulling the strings on this invasion? What if someone else “has a gun to his head” and is forcing him to do this? Putin historically has been free to do what he wants. Just a random thought I had.

 

[Mosinitis]

The irony of calling someone jaded while pointing out his heritage would be comical if it was meant as a joke.

"His"? You know something we don't?
She is Anglo-Saxon and her double standards rhetoric is based on deep hatred of the Russians.

 

[Phazer]

I gotta wonder if Putin is thinking he fucked up. If they attempt to occupy Ukraine they will get past Soviet losses in Afghanistan

Putin cannot, and will not, allow that to happen. The Russian military has the ability to bring overwhelming firepower down at any position in Ukraine.

To save face, and avoid continued Russian losses in urban combat, Putin would just treat entire cities like WWII ghettos: Building by building, issue a final ultimatum for all inhabitants to exit, unarmed, through specific checkpoints. After a fixed period of time, level the building. Then, proceed to the next large structure.

Such an action would garner even more world condemnation. But, Putin might no longer give a damn about international opinion. He may perceive more benefit in remaining a strongman.

 

[That_FNG]

Putin cannot, and will not, allow that to happen. The Russian military has the ability to bring overwhelming firepower down at any position in Ukraine.

To save face, and avoid continued Russian losses in urban combat, Putin would just treat entire cities like WWII ghettos: Building by building, issue a final ultimatum for all inhabitants to exit, unarmed, through specific checkpoints. After a fixed period of time, level the building. Then, proceed to the next large structure.

Such an action would garner even more world condemnation. But, Putin might no longer give a damn about international opinion. He may perceive more benefit in remaining a strongman.

True and very possible, but then you run the risk of have too much of your military in another country while potentially causing the rest of the world to unite and try to take you out.