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Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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now we need to know where the fk is Red October parked ..
holdover
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"Sweden is now proposing direct support for Ukraine's armed forces. It includes 135,000 field rations, 5,000 helmets, 5,000 body shields and 5,000 anti-tank weapons" Andersson told a news conference.
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www.businesstoday.in
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The UK has delivered 2,000 anti-tank missile launchers in the airlift, according to the Daily Mail.
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Germany's chancellery announced Saturday evening that it will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine "as quickly as possible."
In a major shift, Germany to send anti-tank weapons, missiles to Ukraine
Germany's chancellery announced Saturday evening that it will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine "as quickly as possible."
www.businesstoday.in
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The UK has delivered 2,000 anti-tank missile launchers in the airlift, according to the Daily Mail.
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ArmedCorgi
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Why the "major shift"? What if everything we thought was good, was actually bad?"Sweden is now proposing direct support for Ukraine's armed forces. It includes 135,000 field rations, 5,000 helmets, 5,000 body shields and 5,000 anti-tank weapons" Andersson told a news conference.
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Germany's chancellery announced Saturday evening that it will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine "as quickly as possible."
In a major shift, Germany to send anti-tank weapons, missiles to Ukraine
Germany's chancellery announced Saturday evening that it will send 1,000 anti-tank weapons and 500 "Stinger" surface-to-air missiles to Ukraine "as quickly as possible."
1000 Panzer faust 3, reusable
The UK has delivered 2,000 anti-tank missile launchers in the airlift, according to the Daily Mail.
holdover
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Shift?
No.
ArmedCorgi
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Did I spell it wrong?
GOYABEAN
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You mean the Vax? Lol
1341
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Let's see how this works, you reference a Wikipedia article that proves exactly what I stated and you still say no.
holdover
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No it was ambiguous, I didnt understand the context ,not the word.
You’re wasting your breath on a lapdog .
Deplorable Me
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Canadian truckers were better prepared.Maybe propaganda maybe not
Deplorable Me
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They got that off an Antifa website.
Blimey
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Central bank in Russia also doubled rates.
stock market foreigners being banned from selling.
BP was a major foreign investor and has said it’s done with Russia. Ups and fedex stopping deliveries or pickup from Ukraine (obviously) and Russia.
sanctions aren’t just hitting yachts this time. The new fascists will feel the pain of their leader’s choices.
drowhawk
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You hear nothing of Ukraine losses. Russia captures cities every day and yet, "Ukraine is fighting back and holding strong." Who to believe? Of course both sides write their own narrative, obviously one being pushed here in the US.
For all of you saying RT can't be trusted because it is Russian state-owned media: Is our MSM any better here? I'd say the truth is probably somewhere in between what US news is saying and what RT is saying. Personally, I think Mike Lindell is working with Putin to expose the massive fraud in the 2020 election. Just wait... BIG NEWS COMING.
After all, would anyone be surprised?
For all of you saying RT can't be trusted because it is Russian state-owned media: Is our MSM any better here? I'd say the truth is probably somewhere in between what US news is saying and what RT is saying. Personally, I think Mike Lindell is working with Putin to expose the massive fraud in the 2020 election. Just wait... BIG NEWS COMING.
After all, would anyone be surprised?
So I did some thinking last night because I couldn't sleep.
I am really really rooting for a swift and immediate peace agreement. I want hostilities to end ASAP before the world gets sucked into ww3. A fast peace agreement might be the only way to stop it and get back to somewhat normal.
Here is why I think it's critical this conflict gets ended. Now. The west and Russia are setting up for direct conflict and nothing good will come out of that. Let that sink in and ponder how serious that is.
If anyone isn't paying attention or learned from history, the west is fighting Russia via proxy with openly supplied weapons and has essentially declared economic war on Russia.Hell even in Afghanistan we secretly gave some stingers for plausible deniability. We didn't openly brag about it. What we are giving to Ukraine is exponentially more deadly.
(For comparison sake this is somewhat equivalent to either china or Russia directly and openly arming Iraq in 2002 to kill US troops and then trying to economically ruin us at the same time) how would we have felt?
These actions are real and tangible. They are going to harm Russia and Russian citizens. Regardless of your opinion on this war or who is right or wrong, there may be a series of retaliatory actions that happen next that affect us.
Regardless if you are pro Russia, pro Ukraine or still confused as hell. It doesn't make a difference. Because there is no chance Russia just sits idly by and bends over. Not happening. So Russia is going to do something. This is going to escalate. It's very likely more countries get dragged in.
If all the reports are accurate that Putin genuinely in his heart believes that this is an existential crisis to the survival of Russia he's already in his mind committed to going all in. Right or wrong it doesn't matter. If that's his true feelings then it is what it is. We can ignore reality but we can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. The west and Russia might have very different ideas about what happens next and just how serious this may get.
Has anyone else noticed a steady increase in western media reporting on Putin being "unhinged" or "losing it"?
will Russia feel justified in launching cyber attacks on us? It's roughly equivalent to what we are doing directly to them. What happens next?
I am really really rooting for a swift and immediate peace agreement. I want hostilities to end ASAP before the world gets sucked into ww3. A fast peace agreement might be the only way to stop it and get back to somewhat normal.
Here is why I think it's critical this conflict gets ended. Now. The west and Russia are setting up for direct conflict and nothing good will come out of that. Let that sink in and ponder how serious that is.
If anyone isn't paying attention or learned from history, the west is fighting Russia via proxy with openly supplied weapons and has essentially declared economic war on Russia.Hell even in Afghanistan we secretly gave some stingers for plausible deniability. We didn't openly brag about it. What we are giving to Ukraine is exponentially more deadly.
(For comparison sake this is somewhat equivalent to either china or Russia directly and openly arming Iraq in 2002 to kill US troops and then trying to economically ruin us at the same time) how would we have felt?
These actions are real and tangible. They are going to harm Russia and Russian citizens. Regardless of your opinion on this war or who is right or wrong, there may be a series of retaliatory actions that happen next that affect us.
Regardless if you are pro Russia, pro Ukraine or still confused as hell. It doesn't make a difference. Because there is no chance Russia just sits idly by and bends over. Not happening. So Russia is going to do something. This is going to escalate. It's very likely more countries get dragged in.
If all the reports are accurate that Putin genuinely in his heart believes that this is an existential crisis to the survival of Russia he's already in his mind committed to going all in. Right or wrong it doesn't matter. If that's his true feelings then it is what it is. We can ignore reality but we can't ignore the consequences of ignoring reality. The west and Russia might have very different ideas about what happens next and just how serious this may get.
Has anyone else noticed a steady increase in western media reporting on Putin being "unhinged" or "losing it"?
will Russia feel justified in launching cyber attacks on us? It's roughly equivalent to what we are doing directly to them. What happens next?
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drowhawk
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I would venture to say they are working on it now. We are still out of cream cheese at our local grocery stores because of a cyber attack in October. Imagine if they target only one major piece of infrastructure. Say the internet goes out in half the country. Say bye-bye to modern conveniences. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been done yet. This week we shall see.
drowhawk
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Here ya go:
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www.reuters.com
Toyota suspends domestic factory operations after suspected cyber attack
Toyota Motor Corp said it will suspend domestic factory operations on Tuesday, losing around 13,000 cars of output, after a supplier of plastic parts and electronic components was hit by a suspected cyber attack.
www.reuters.com
I agree. I think citizens in the western world are being played by psyops operations via the media. The most obvious one being the "reports" there is something off with Putin. Rather coincidental timing wouldn't you say?
What I don't like is that anyone that looks at things from the Russian perspective is automatically viewed as being in the tank or on the payroll for Putin.
It's practically impossible to get accurate news on this war. I fear a repeat of world war I. The standard textbook history is the series of alliances turned a regional war in the Balkans into a world war. Parallels to our alliances in NATO. Do we really want to risk nuclear war for Ukraine, or Lithuania for that matter?
Totally agree.
I am very sympathetic to Ukraine. I really feel for the Ukrainian people. But I don't think things are as we are being told they are.
I'm trying to dig deeper and form my own opinions.
The strength of Japanese Army fell in all of the theaters of operation and we still had a hard time fighting them. You are grasping at straws.
I just didn't want to divert the thread, which has nothing to do with Patton. Patton was an asshole in many ways. I hope he suffered.
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Blimey
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Germany announcing massive increase in defense budget. EU sending jets to Ukraine.
putin should have stopped at donbas. He got greedy. He has significant weakened Russia with this fiasco. Now he will preside over a wrecked economy while trying to pacify a massive country. Strategic folly.
putin should have stopped at donbas. He got greedy. He has significant weakened Russia with this fiasco. Now he will preside over a wrecked economy while trying to pacify a massive country. Strategic folly.
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I don't think a nuclear war is going to happen, how many people on this forum lived through the cold war? I would say that during that time both sides fought proxy wars all over the world, all under the threat of mutual Armageddon, yet we are still here. That threat of mutual Armageddon is still there and I think everyone on both sides recognizes that fact and will act accordingly.
Blimey
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^^^ Nuclear war makes no logical sense. If we are to assume putin has a modicum of rationality in him, which is reasonable to assume, a failed attempt to invade a country would not possibly result in a nuclear attack.
Putin: We are invading ukraine to increase our security
Putin: Shit, this isn't going well, let's send the nukes
Generals: Aren't they going to nuke us back?
Putin: Do it anyway!
Doesn't make sense.
In other news Russia renaming its currency to the rubble.
Putin: We are invading ukraine to increase our security
Putin: Shit, this isn't going well, let's send the nukes
Generals: Aren't they going to nuke us back?
Putin: Do it anyway!
Doesn't make sense.
In other news Russia renaming its currency to the rubble.
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Blimey
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You are talking to a guy who toes the russian line that the holdomor was not a deliberate killing of ukranians.
In 2006 a bill passed in ukraine 233 to 1 condemning the Holodomor as a deliberate genocide. Millions of ukranians were killed. That's the country russia thinks it can pacify? Russia cannot pacify ukraine except via massive, constant violence. And regardless of putin's will russia simply doesn't have the power. It is outclassed by EU alone 3:1 population and 8:1 GDP. Putin failed to get the memo that not only are russia's glory days gone, buy they are never, ever returning.
I agree nuclear war makes no sense. That doesn't mean it can't happen due to human mistakes.
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BerettaGuy
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Right wrong or the ravings of a mad man. Putin has accomplished several things at once.
1.) He has unified the EU which was on the verge of dissolution.
2.) He has bitch slapped a couple of in the head in the clouds generations that have been living rainbow-colored unicorns chasing life into reality.
3.) He has demonstrated the reason for the Second Amendment.
4.) He is sending 10 thousand Chetnisan troops who are well trained bloodthirsty take no prisoners gendarme to do the policing of Kyiv. (Gestapo)
5.) He has strengthened the resolve of NATO and Xi Xiping is watching that closely.
6.) He shows the futility of the UN.
7.) He has moved the hands of the doomsday clock a little closer to zero.
8.) He has shown the world what happens when the United States is perceived as weak. Love us or hate us. The "great experiment" has stopped European Countries from fighting with each other for 70 years by having Nukes pointed at their intolerant of each other's asses. After all, they have been warring with each other since the first caveman stole the other caveman's woman non-stop until 1946.
9.) How many American Politicians were laughed at, mocked, and marginalized when they brought up Russia or China as threats by our left-wing intellectuals.
Then, there is the "media". The N-word is being bantered around in their narratives because Putin called the Ukrainians Nazis to justify his actions.
The US Media has forgotten how to report on a war. To preoccupied with bathroom choice, gender identification, Trump, and other silliness for over 20 years.
This war is being recorded on cell phones and try as they may, their "official" narrative is not working.
Finally, let's talk about Normalcy!
Learn from the mistakes of others: Ukrainians who "listened" to the "official narrative" were totally surprised and unprepared when the invasion started. WTF?
People are now saying, Oh, there won't be a nuke attack. Let's pray not, but get freaking prepared! Or not.
Finally, Russian soldiers that have been captured, were told it was a mock invasion for training! Really? I can see this as, to quote Trump, a genius move by Putin to create casualties and the call for revenge by the Russian populous. It wouldn't be the first time they used soldiers as cannon fodder.
1.) He has unified the EU which was on the verge of dissolution.
2.) He has bitch slapped a couple of in the head in the clouds generations that have been living rainbow-colored unicorns chasing life into reality.
3.) He has demonstrated the reason for the Second Amendment.
4.) He is sending 10 thousand Chetnisan troops who are well trained bloodthirsty take no prisoners gendarme to do the policing of Kyiv. (Gestapo)
5.) He has strengthened the resolve of NATO and Xi Xiping is watching that closely.
6.) He shows the futility of the UN.
7.) He has moved the hands of the doomsday clock a little closer to zero.
8.) He has shown the world what happens when the United States is perceived as weak. Love us or hate us. The "great experiment" has stopped European Countries from fighting with each other for 70 years by having Nukes pointed at their intolerant of each other's asses. After all, they have been warring with each other since the first caveman stole the other caveman's woman non-stop until 1946.
9.) How many American Politicians were laughed at, mocked, and marginalized when they brought up Russia or China as threats by our left-wing intellectuals.
Then, there is the "media". The N-word is being bantered around in their narratives because Putin called the Ukrainians Nazis to justify his actions.
The US Media has forgotten how to report on a war. To preoccupied with bathroom choice, gender identification, Trump, and other silliness for over 20 years.
This war is being recorded on cell phones and try as they may, their "official" narrative is not working.
Finally, let's talk about Normalcy!
Learn from the mistakes of others: Ukrainians who "listened" to the "official narrative" were totally surprised and unprepared when the invasion started. WTF?
People are now saying, Oh, there won't be a nuke attack. Let's pray not, but get freaking prepared! Or not.
Finally, Russian soldiers that have been captured, were told it was a mock invasion for training! Really? I can see this as, to quote Trump, a genius move by Putin to create casualties and the call for revenge by the Russian populous. It wouldn't be the first time they used soldiers as cannon fodder.