Russia or the Ukraine? Which side do you support?

Which side of this "war" are you on?

  • Russia

    Votes: 9 17.3%

  • The Ukraine

    Votes: 46 88.5%
  • Total voters
    52
  • Poll closed .
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I’m a bit unimpressed with Russia’s invasion, I don’t agree with it and the loss of life on both sides, but you would think a superpower of Russia’s stature would have been more decisive, professIonal and dominating by now. Pie in the sky but I hope the Russians deal with anti war sentiment at home and hope the Russia troops question what they are doing there. God bless the Ukrainian civilians.
 
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kaliber said:
I’m a bit unimpressed with Russia’s invasion, I don’t agree with it and the loss of life on both sides, but you would think a superpower of Russia’s stature would have been more decisive, professIonal and dominating by now. Pie in the sky but I hope the Russians deal with anti war sentiment at home and hope the Russia troops question what they are doing there. God bless the Ukrainian civilians.
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Russia hasn’t been a super power since 1990
 
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kaliber said:
I’m a bit unimpressed with Russia’s invasion, I don’t agree with it and the loss of life on both sides, but you would think a superpower of Russia’s stature would have been more decisive, professIonal and dominating by now. Pie in the sky but I hope the Russians deal with anti war sentiment at home and hope the Russia troops question what they are doing there. God bless the Ukrainian civilians.
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I have always thought Russia’s military was big and old, and would get utterly wrecked in a direct fight with a modern military. Based on how things are going for them I am thoroughly convinced of it. They wouldn’t have a hope in hell against the USA, let alone the rest of nato.
 
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I repeat again, India has surpassed Russian in defense spending.


  1. The United States ($778 billion)
  2. China ($252 billion [estimated])
  3. India ($72.9 billion)
  4. Russia ($61.7 billion)
  5. United Kingdom ($59.2 billion)
  6. Saudi Arabia ($57.5 billion [estimated])
  7. Germany ($52.8 billion)
  8. France ($52.7 billion)
  9. Japan ($49.1 billion)
  10. South Korea ($45.7 billion)
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Not complete picture. The US provides great pay and benefits to its troops compared to all of those countries. The US has many fronts to defend its interests. Those other countries have only one or two areas of the world to defend.
But Russia is not the juggernaut that it tries to portray. China is our main threat to our interests in the world.
 
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I dunno about THE Ukraine, but I support Ukraine.

Putin is a backwards-thinking dictator. He has a nominal democracy supporting him, but we know how false that is.

I can see why he thinks the way he does, but on the same token, he’s stuck in his East Germany KGB days to do so.

Ukraine is only a threat to Putin, not to Russia, insofar as it’s a peaceful, but western-looking country with what was looking to become a better democracy. Putin can’t have that kind of “nonsense” on its border.

The pretexts are hilarious. Ukraine wasn’t even a NATO candidate, yet not eliminating it as a candidate was a breaking point for Putin. The “breakaway” provinces? Carries a bit more weight, but it was never his job to declare them independent, let alone to invade all of Ukraine.

That said, it does smack of a lot of what we have done over the last century plus. We somehow have Puerto Rico and Guam, and of course we know about our ill-fated ventures since then from Vietnam to Iraq and many places besides...scroll back in our history and you see manifest destiny, and Europe’s colonial past...it’s not just recent treatment of Russia which has given Putin a sense of having a green light to to whatever he wants. The difference is that it’s 2022, and we tend to realize that kind of thing is wrong, unless you’re Putin or Xi Zinping or whatever Kim is in power in North Korea.

The bright side is that Ukraine seems to have stood up well and fought valiantly enough to frustrate their advances. Ukraine will lose, but they have bought a lot of all-too-valuable time, and that’s a credit to her people and her armed forces.

Godspeed to Ukraine.
 
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I'm not sure why so many people are blindly supporting the Ukraine.

Many don't realize that the Ukraine government is extremely corrupt and the majority of all the pictures and media push is old pictures and false narratives. How easily people forget that the current government in Ukraine was put into power during Obama-Biden presidency. Not to mention Burisma. These are the same people who have not released the dirt they have on the Bidens.

I'm no fan of Putin, but his goal is to assure the sovereignty of Russia's borders by way of Crimea and the Black Sea. The threat he sees is the Ukraine joining NATO which in turn gives access for NATO forces to bring submarines and such into the Black Sea. It's basically Russia/Putin's Cuban Missile Crisis.
 
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So what happens when arms shipments from NATO to Ukraine get blown up on NATO soil or on NATO ships?

Supplying arms to either side at this point is taking sides and is an act of war, so is supplying guerrilla/insurgent groups.

Our politicians and media are assholes to think of doing either of these things at this point.
 
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I have no idea who is in the right and who is wrong here.

What I do know is that the more people I don't like and don't respect tell me Putin is a bad guy, the more I think he might not be such a bad guy

The propaganda coming out is reminiscent of the chy-na videos at the start of kung-flu showing people foaming at the mouth and collapsing in the street. I don't trust any of it
 
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RooftopKorean said:
I'm not sure why so many people are blindly supporting the Ukraine.

Many don't realize that the Ukraine government is extremely corrupt and the majority of all the pictures and media push is old pictures and false narratives. How easily people forget that the current government in Ukraine was put into power during Obama-Biden presidency. Not to mention Burisma. These are the same people who have not released the dirt they have on the Bidens.

I'm no fan of Putin, but his goal is to assure the sovereignty of Russia's borders by way of Crimea and the Black Sea. The threat he sees is the Ukraine joining NATO which in turn gives access for NATO forces to bring submarines and such into the Black Sea. It's basically Russia/Putin's Cuban Missle Crisis.
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They blindly support because MSM told them too..
 
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RooftopKorean said:
I'm not sure why so many people are blindly supporting the Ukraine.

Many don't realize that the Ukraine government is extremely corrupt and the majority of all the pictures and media push is old pictures and false narratives. How easily people forget that the current government in Ukraine was put into power during Obama-Biden presidency. Not to mention Burisma. These are the same people who have not released the dirt they have on the Bidens.

I'm no fan of Putin, but his goal is to assure the sovereignty of Russia's borders by way of Crimea and the Black Sea. The threat he sees is the Ukraine joining NATO which in turn gives access for NATO forces to bring submarines and such into the Black Sea. It's basically Russia/Putin's Cuban Missle Crisis.
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So what if the Ukrainian government is corrupt. Our USA government is corrupt to. Is it ok if we get invaded?
 
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JaguarJaguarGolf said:
So what happens when arms shipments from NATO to Ukraine get blown up on NATO soil or on NATO ships?

Supplying arms to either side at this point is taking sides and is an act of war, so is supplying guerrilla/insurgent groups.

Our politicians and media are assholes to think of doing either of these things at this point.
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Um we’re doing that right now in fact. Biden just said he’s giving the Ukrainians 300 million or something like that.
I agree it’s not wise and we should not act alone. NATO or nothing.
 
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Saltwater60 said:
So what if the Ukrainian government is corrupt. Our USA government is corrupt to. Is it ok if we get invaded?
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What if the tables were turned and China was using Canada to launder money and building bio weapons labs on our northern boarder. Then they used that money laundering to hurt us. Then watched as a virus is released that destroys the world economy and think what other virus are being created right next to us and what if they released it from just over our boarder into the US.

Not saying any of this is right just putting myself in Russia's shoes.
 
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Politics aside.

Is it acceptable for Russia to invade Ukraine? I dont think so regardless if I can understand Russias intentions.

The MSM and leftists in our country want to tie conservatives to the russians so they can use it in upcoming elections. I don't know what to believe in regards to who's right and wrong or who has done what, there is so much propaganda out there from all sides it's ridiculous.

But it boils down to the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign country because they didn't want them to make an alliance with the West.

While I understand it's in Russia's interest not to allow NATO on their doorstep it doesn't give them the right to start killing innocent people.
 
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Celt said:
Politics aside.

Is it acceptable for Russia to invade Ukraine? I dont think so regardless if I can understand Russias intentions.

The MSM and leftists in our country want to tie conservatives to the russians so they can use it in upcoming elections. I don't know what to believe in regards to who's right and wrong or who has done what, there is so much propaganda out there from all sides it's ridiculous.

But it boils down to the fact that Russia invaded a sovereign country because they didn't want them to make an alliance with the West.

While I understand it's in Russia's interest not to allow NATO on their doorstep it doesn't give them the right to start killing innocent people.
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They will try.

We need to constantly remind people which POTUS's son was laundering money via a no show job with a Ukrainian gas company.

Who sold all that Uranium to Russia ?

Who paid Russian intelligence to fabricate evidence against her opponent.

This list goes on forever.
 
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