Things are heating up in the Donbass
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Just a bit of food for thought.
Blimey
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Those columns are absolutely begging to be obliterated. The frustrating thing in all this is that russia's military is even worse than I had thought (I've never thought highly of it. Always thought it was big and shitty and now I know it with certainty). If NATO was to actually implement a no-fly and help secure ukraine's borders russia would have to skulk back home. There's no chance in the world they could keep any of this up if Europe decided it was done watching from the sidelines. In very little time europe could set russia's military progress back a generation, and destroy shitloads of its assets in ukraine.
It's a good thing I don't have any decision-making power because if I had my finger on the trigger of those a10s I would lack the self discipline not to send them out.
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If we were pretty confident putin wouldn't rage quit and nuke, giving him the what for now could permanently humiliate him, shut down any aspirations russia will have in my life for further land grabs, and result in a long term change in the power balance of Europe. No more bending over for putin.
Phazer
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Highway of Death
The Highway of Death (Arabic: طريق الموت ṭarīq al-mawt) is a six-lane highway connecting Kuwait and Iraq, officially known as Highway 80. It runs from Kuwait City to the border town of Safwan in Iraq and then on to the Iraqi city of Basra. The road was used by Iraqi armored divisions for the...
The 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing A-6 Intruder aircraft blocked Highway 80 with aerial-delivered GATOR anti-tank mines, and then bombed the rear of a massive vehicle column of mostly Iraqi Regular Army forces, effectively boxing in the Iraqi forces in an enormous traffic jam of sitting targets for subsequent airstrikes. Over the next 10 hours, scores of U.S. Marine and U.S. Air Force aircraft and U.S. Navy pilots from USS Ranger (CV/CVA-61) attacked the convoy using a variety of ordnance. Vehicles surviving the air attacks were later engaged by arriving coalition ground units, while most of the vehicles that managed to evade the traffic jam and continued to drive on the road north were targeted individually. The road bottle-neck near the Mutla Ridge police station was reduced to a long uninterrupted line of more than 300 stuck and abandoned vehicles sometimes called the Mile of Death. The wreckage found on the highway consisted of at least 28 tanks and other armored vehicles with many more commandeered civilian cars and buses filled with stolen Kuwaiti property
Seen that with my own eyes.. Mass wreckage.Highway of Death
The Highway of Death (Arabic: طريق الموت ṭarīq al-mawt) is a six-lane highway connecting Kuwait and Iraq, officially known as Highway 80. It runs from Kuwait City to the border town of Safwan in Iraq and then on to the Iraqi city of Basra. The road was used by Iraqi armored divisions for the...military-history.fandom.com
The 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing A-6 Intruder aircraft blocked Highway 80 with aerial-delivered GATOR anti-tank mines, and then bombed the rear of a massive vehicle column of mostly Iraqi Regular Army forces, effectively boxing in the Iraqi forces in an enormous traffic jam of sitting targets for subsequent airstrikes. Over the next 10 hours, scores of U.S. Marine and U.S. Air Force aircraft and U.S. Navy pilots from USS Ranger (CV/CVA-61) attacked the convoy using a variety of ordnance. Vehicles surviving the air attacks were later engaged by arriving coalition ground units, while most of the vehicles that managed to evade the traffic jam and continued to drive on the road north were targeted individually. The road bottle-neck near the Mutla Ridge police station was reduced to a long uninterrupted line of more than 300 stuck and abandoned vehicles sometimes called the Mile of Death. The wreckage found on the highway consisted of at least 28 tanks and other armored vehicles with many more commandeered civilian cars and buses filled with stolen Kuwaiti property
Blimey
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Horrendous for those on the ground.Highway of Death
The Highway of Death (Arabic: طريق الموت ṭarīq al-mawt) is a six-lane highway connecting Kuwait and Iraq, officially known as Highway 80. It runs from Kuwait City to the border town of Safwan in Iraq and then on to the Iraqi city of Basra. The road was used by Iraqi armored divisions for the...
The 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing A-6 Intruder aircraft blocked Highway 80 with aerial-delivered GATOR anti-tank mines, and then bombed the rear of a massive vehicle column of mostly Iraqi Regular Army forces, effectively boxing in the Iraqi forces in an enormous traffic jam of sitting targets for subsequent airstrikes. Over the next 10 hours, scores of U.S. Marine and U.S. Air Force aircraft and U.S. Navy pilots from USS Ranger (CV/CVA-61) attacked the convoy using a variety of ordnance. Vehicles surviving the air attacks were later engaged by arriving coalition ground units, while most of the vehicles that managed to evade the traffic jam and continued to drive on the road north were targeted individually. The road bottle-neck near the Mutla Ridge police station was reduced to a long uninterrupted line of more than 300 stuck and abandoned vehicles sometimes called the Mile of Death. The wreckage found on the highway consisted of at least 28 tanks and other armored vehicles with many more commandeered civilian cars and buses filled with stolen Kuwaiti property
Call putin tell him he has 12 hours to turn the vehicles around and we won't shoot the ones near the border, but rather start at the back first so the others are not blocked by burning vehicles, giving them option to retreat back to belarus/russia.
We are walking toward something like this day by day. If Russia ends up in a protracted war with ukraine, missiling apartment complexes and broad bombing of civilians I can see europe deciding it has seen enough and it won't keep watching it.
Phazer
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Damn!
Highway of Death: The Result of American Forces Bombing Retreating Iraqi Forces in Kuwait, 1991 - Rare Historical Photos
Allied forces bombed them from the air, killing hundreds of troops in their vehicles in what became known as the “Highway of Death”.
rarehistoricalphotos.com
War is horrible.
The War Photo No One Would Publish
When Kenneth Jarecke photographed an Iraqi man burned alive, he thought it would change the way Americans saw the Gulf War. But the media wouldn’t run the picture.
www.theatlantic.com
GOYABEAN
.950 JDJ
Are the Ukraine's air force getting any heavy bombers Moscow isn't that far away 
WW3 is looking a lot closer than ever !
WW3 is looking a lot closer than ever !
Phazer
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I disagree. Though such crimes against humanity may get documented, I am not ready to plunge the world into a nuclear exchange. A dictator forced into a corner, with no apparent exit, will lash out in a self-destructive death throe.
Phazer
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I doubt that Ukraine has any ability to strike at Russia, militarily. However, it is conceivable that we could see anti-Russian terrorism committed by pro-Ukrainian groups. Only bad things will come from this action by Russia.Are the Ukraine's air force getting any heavy bombers Moscow isn't that far away
I have no good feelings for Ukraine (given family history from the early 20th century). I despise the totalitarian Russian regime. Thus, I hope for an end to the violence against the innocent and for a loss of power by the evil.
Phazer
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Got to despise the Left. Elon Musk sends StarLink antennas ("terminals") to Ukraine in an attempt to at least keep some people connected to the internet. The Leftists at The Atlantic whine that Musk's service isn't good enough. Well....WTF are THEY doing? Liberal Progressive Socialists complain, bitch, moan, create problems, propose no solutions, and then criticize anyone productive enough to try and help.
www.theatlantic.com
The War on Ukraine Is Testing the Myth of Elon Musk
The SpaceX CEO’s much-praised move to help keep the country online isn’t the magical fix it may seem.
www.theatlantic.com
Phazer
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That must have been jarring. Did you see it from the ground or from the air?
spat
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If you've opened a history book, you understand how undesirable that is.
It also makes sense why the elite are so interested in it.
I have some great pictures of that...Highway of Death
The Highway of Death (Arabic: طريق الموت ṭarīq al-mawt) is a six-lane highway connecting Kuwait and Iraq, officially known as Highway 80. It runs from Kuwait City to the border town of Safwan in Iraq and then on to the Iraqi city of Basra. The road was used by Iraqi armored divisions for the...
The 3rd Marine Aircraft Wing A-6 Intruder aircraft blocked Highway 80 with aerial-delivered GATOR anti-tank mines, and then bombed the rear of a massive vehicle column of mostly Iraqi Regular Army forces, effectively boxing in the Iraqi forces in an enormous traffic jam of sitting targets for subsequent airstrikes. Over the next 10 hours, scores of U.S. Marine and U.S. Air Force aircraft and U.S. Navy pilots from USS Ranger (CV/CVA-61) attacked the convoy using a variety of ordnance. Vehicles surviving the air attacks were later engaged by arriving coalition ground units, while most of the vehicles that managed to evade the traffic jam and continued to drive on the road north were targeted individually. The road bottle-neck near the Mutla Ridge police station was reduced to a long uninterrupted line of more than 300 stuck and abandoned vehicles sometimes called the Mile of Death. The wreckage found on the highway consisted of at least 28 tanks and other armored vehicles with many more commandeered civilian cars and buses filled with stolen Kuwaiti property
spat
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Iraq, the first time, was literally us kicking Saddam's ass for doing exactly what Putin has done now.
The second time, not so much. We also weren't trying to install a puppet regime, just wanted someone slightly less unstable. It was working until Biden the 1st fucked it up.
The reasons this Ukraine situation won't go the way the Kuwait one did is Putin's nukes and the fact that Ukraine is putting up more than the not even token resistance that Kuwait was able to.
Not being sarcastic, I do not see that much of a comparison between Desert Storm and what is going on in The Ukraine.
I have heard others comparing the two, I just don't see it.
spat
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The world hasn't change. It's always been this way. A lot of people are just starting to realize what it's really like now is all.
Very close from the ground.
spat
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Guy with giant army invades his peaceful neighbor because he wants their shit.
Seems pretty similar to me.
The reasons it isn't going to become desert storm/shield is that Putin has nukes, and Ukraine is managing to hold him off long enough that the world is responding *before* Putin has completely occupied Ukraine.
Saddam took Kuwait before anyone knew what was happening.
Close enough for the smell?
To this day, burnt meat makes me physically and mentally sick.
I can smell burnt meats from a mile away.
No getting that smell out of my nostrils
holdover
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Your talking about going to war with Russia, Thats insane. they have no choice but to launch nukes. This no fly zone bullshit means shooting down Russian aircraft. And like Swartzkoff said ""the enemy gets a vote too.""
livingston
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Ukraine conflict: Israel helps evacuate Lebanese, Syrians, Egyptians
'We’ll help anyone who we can help to get to the border,' Israeli Foreign Ministry spokesman saysIsrael's Foreign Ministry confirmed on Sunday that diplomats assisted Lebanese, Syrian and Egyptian nationals in evacuating from war-torn Ukraine, Haaretz reported.
A ministry spokesperson said that citizens of several countries in the region, including those officially in a state of war with the Jewish state, boarded a bus on the Polish side of the border organized by Israeli diplomats.
i24NEWS
www.i24news.tv
Doubt this will be reported much here in this country... After all liberals have made Israel into the devil incarnate
holdover
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No no. you cant tell me wars dont change things. Everything has changed, The power balance in Europe is shifting, thats going to effect us all.
The wars in the Mid East changed the Mideast forever. WW2 changed the world.
We, as people and goverments havent changed, but the global situation changes.
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holdover
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What?
spat
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You're getting bogged down in the details.
The things that wars change don't generally matter in the long run.
There are some exceptions of course, but some borders shuffling around and a few million dead don't really change the nature of the world.
How has the middle east changed ? Still the same oil laden sandbox with the same tribal conflicts it always had.
Even the world wars didn't change Europe in the long run. Less than a century later and we're starting to look like business as usual again.
That's how I see this. It's a lose-lose.
If putin takes Ukraine then it just encourages him and others that would do the same (China's want for taiwan). If he gets swatted into a corner there is no telling what he will do
Blimey
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Of course they have a choice not to launch nukes. Ukraine is not their territory. The rational move is to withdraw back behind their territory and adopt the same stance the globe has had since the 50's, which is if you don't invade my territory I won't nuke you.
If Russia invades poland, for example, should nato respond or not respond because it is now a war with russia?
spat
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Using nukes any larger than tactical is suicide.
Putin isn’t going to commit suicide over some tanks. Strategic nukes are limited to being a response to existential threats only. Unless Putin thinks we're about to topple the Russian government he's not going to use them.
Worse case he uses some tactical nukes inside of Ukraine. If he sends anything larger then his country will cease to exist. There will be more living Russians in the US than there will be in whatever's left of Russia.