Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[tirwin1]

The numbers are so small compared to what would be needed to defend NATO from an actual invasion, it is more of a window dressing statement than a deterrent or escalation.

But it is a sufficient number to get drawn into a larger conflict, don't you think?

I remember reading about the Vietnam war. First it was just air support. Then the VC started attacking the air bases. So we needed troops to defend the bases. But the attacks didn't stop. So then we needed more troops to go into the jungle on search and destroy missions. But that was ineffective. So we needed more troops to go after the staging areas where the attacking forces were assembled. And that's how we went from a limited engagement to a full scale war. Don't think it can't happen again.

 

[Blimey]

The numbers are so small compared to what would be needed to defend NATO from an actual invasion, it is more of a window dressing statement than a deterrent or escalation.

There are certainly more where that came from, but can you imagine how ukraine would look right now if they had the world's best air force (NATO countries) denying russian air and hitting every piece of armor they can find? From my perspective it looks like the narrative of Russia as a legitimate invasion force against nato has been completely put to bed. Ukraine is definitely putting up a better fight than almost anybody believed and they have a grossly outmatched air force and largely inferior tech. The emperor has no clothes.

If Russia presses this attack they will start seizing big cities (eventually). They will then be drawn into a multi-month/year guerilla resistance, which will continually bleed their morale and resources dry. They are not a threat to nato member nations except via nukes. Their conventional military is just not up to the task, and it never will be.

More pictures of putin's peacekeeping force. The first pic is brutal. Those vehicles just got fucked. What were they doing all clustered together?

Pictured: Charred remains of Putin's tanks smouldering on edge of Kyiv

The figures, released on Wednesday, come days after Russia claimed it had not suffered any casualties in the war. Ukraine officials claim over 5,800 Russians have so far been killed in the brutal invasion.

www.dailymail.co.uk

 

[Toecutter]

Some insight this guy lived in China for 10 year I think.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[holdover]

There are certainly more where that came from, but can you imagine how ukraine would look right now if they had the world's best air force (NATO countries) denying russian air and hitting every piece of armor they can find? From my perspective it looks like the narrative of Russia as a legitimate invasion force against nato has been completely put to bed. Ukraine is definitely putting up a better fight than almost anybody believed and they have a grossly outmatched air force and largely inferior tech. The emperor has no clothes.

If Russia presses this attack they will start seizing big cities (eventually). They will then be drawn into a multi-month/year guerilla resistance, which will continually bleed their morale and resources dry. They are not a threat to nato member nations except via nukes. Their conventional military is just not up to the task, and it never will be.

More pictures of putin's peacekeeping force. The first pic is brutal. Those vehicles just got fucked. What were they doing all clustered together?

Pictured: Charred remains of Putin's tanks smouldering on edge of Kyiv

The figures, released on Wednesday, come days after Russia claimed it had not suffered any casualties in the war. Ukraine officials claim over 5,800 Russians have so far been killed in the brutal invasion.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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They created their own road block.

 

[BerettaGuy]

Russia invades Ukraine. NATO reacts by buffing up troops on NATO Borders.
Russian Military Doctrine is to use Tactical Nukes if backed into a corner.
If NATO crosses into Russia it is not just check but checkmate for all concerned.
PUTIN holds the cards and he knows it.
NATO Countries have become like Canada. They let their military lapse because the US was carrying the load.
Trump was right to blast them.



Just remember that all the KARENS in Ukraine don't care who is in power Russia or Ukraine, as long as they can live their life.
Then add in the minority of Russian-speaking Ukrainians or as Brandon would call them Iranians they may want Russia in power.

I'm not saying the ICBM's will fly, but I wouldn't be surprised if they don't.
Let's hope our Subs are tailing their Boomers and have the Russian Navy targeted.

 

[Blimey]

UN general assembly vote today votes 141:5 to back resolution for putin to pull troops from ukraine. 35 abstained.

The five included russia, syria, belarus, eritrea, north korea. Loser friend group if I ever saw one.

 

[GOPerfect]

UN general assembly vote today votes 141:5 to back resolution for putin to pull troops from ukraine. 35 abstained.

The five included russia, syria, belarus, eritrea, north korea. Loser friend group if I ever saw one.

Which country seats abstain ed

 

[Blimey]

Which country seats abstain ed

China, India were a couple of big ones. I knew china was asshole but I expected more out of india

 

[SonOfSun]

China, India were a couple of big ones. I knew china was asshole but I expected more out of india

I bet China is looking on both ambitiously and cautiously at the Ukraine events.

 

[holdover]

I bet China is looking on both ambitiously and cautiously at the Ukraine events.

China has Russia right where they want them. Almost fully dependent. (like Us)

 

[SonOfSun]

China has Russia right where they want them. Almost fully dependent. (like Us)

I was more referring to China and Taiwan, but what you say is also true.

 

[Steal2B]

ExxonMobil cut ties with Russian oil. Funny, I called shareholder services just a few hours earlier and they had a prepared response identifying that they were reconsidering their commitments and activities in Russia.

Chevron claims they have no real business or exposure in Russia.

 

[drowhawk]

I don't understand all the censoring of the Russian media. If Russia really is this big, bad, enemy of mine then I want to know them the best I can. I want to see their "propaganda." I have a feeling the truth is somewhere between what we are hearing on American media and what Russian state media is claiming. I also think Russia sent in the B team thinking it was going to steamroll through only to realize they now have a logistical nightmare if they even want to attempt sending in the A team to clean things up.

I also don't understand the release of the prisoners in Ukraine. If we were being invaded here the last thing I want is to worry about another group that wants to kill me.

 

[holdover]

I cant ell you how shocked I am so far with the Russian performance, I dont know how much is hype or fake, but the progression of forces seems to be bogged down . ? I dont know, what gives? if the loss rate continues at this pace, The Russians wont have shit left in 2 months

I have to consider that the Ukraines may have been training for this event for a while .

I saw Russia's performance in Afghanistan, in Geogia and Chechnya, it wasnt all that good , and now this.

 

[Grimscale]

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This is wrong.

this is the Ukrainian long-jump team.

I KNEW learning to rocket bounce in Quake Arena was going to be useful someday!

 

[tirwin1]

Kinda sorta related. I've mentioned this analyst before. You can ignore the webinar pitch but his comments on food security as a result of the Ukraine invasion are interesting. We can bitch about rising prices here but he predicts mass starvation across the world. Grim stuff.

Please Join Us: The Ukraine War: Agriculture Edition

 

[Blimey]

I don't understand all the censoring of the Russian media. If Russia really is this big, bad, enemy of mine then I want to know them the best I can. I want to see their "propaganda." I have a feeling the truth is somewhere between what we are hearing on American media and what Russian state media is claiming. I also think Russia sent in the B team thinking it was going to steamroll through only to realize they now have a logistical nightmare if they even want to attempt sending in the A team to clean things up.

I also don't understand the release of the prisoners in Ukraine. If we were being invaded here the last thing I want is to worry about another group that wants to kill me.

Russian media is as source of bullshit (yes, we all know the western media is not reporting 100% truth, either). I mean, short of shooting, we're now in a proxy war with Russia so it makes sense to shut down their propaganda. The internet makes it all accessible anyway so who knows how effective any of that would be.

I cant ell you how shocked I am so far with the Russian performance, I dont know how much is hype or fake, but the progression of forces seems to be bogged down . ? I dont know, what gives? if the loss rate continues at this pace, The Russians wont have shit left in 2 months

I have to consider that the Ukraines may have been training for this event for a while .

I saw Russia's performance in Afghanistan, in Geogia and Chechnya, it wasnt all that good , and now this.

I have pentagon spokesman talking live now. He said that convoy has not moved in 24-36 hours. He thinks russians are regrouping. He also said they have experienced unanticipated supply chain concerns. He said geographically the advance on Kyiv is stalled. He says geographically because they are beginning to shell cities more. The south faces less resistance but still there russia is fighting resistance.

Ukraine says 5800+ russians dead. Some other guy on the news said he believes a truer number is 2000-3000, but points out that we lost 2000 in Afghanistan in twenty years, and they've lost that in seven days.

 

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[Phazer]

There are certainly more where that came from, but can you imagine how ukraine would look right now if they had the world's best air force (NATO countries) denying russian air and hitting every piece of armor they can find? From my perspective it looks like the narrative of Russia as a legitimate invasion force against nato has been completely put to bed. Ukraine is definitely putting up a better fight than almost anybody believed and they have a grossly outmatched air force and largely inferior tech. The emperor has no clothes.

If Russia presses this attack they will start seizing big cities (eventually). They will then be drawn into a multi-month/year guerilla resistance, which will continually bleed their morale and resources dry. They are not a threat to nato member nations except via nukes. Their conventional military is just not up to the task, and it never will be.

More pictures of putin's peacekeeping force. The first pic is brutal. Those vehicles just got fucked. What were they doing all clustered together?

Pictured: Charred remains of Putin's tanks smouldering on edge of Kyiv

The figures, released on Wednesday, come days after Russia claimed it had not suffered any casualties in the war. Ukraine officials claim over 5,800 Russians have so far been killed in the brutal invasion.

www.dailymail.co.uk

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The Russians are not going to tolerate these losses much longer.

Soon, they'll give up on any plans to capture these cities intact. The Russians will just use air power to bomb Ukraine back to the stone age. The Red Army almost has no choice any longer. They're being embarrassed. If they do not save face, even at the expense of enormous civilian casualties, they will no longer be feared and be able to continue to serve as an effective deterrent force for Russia.

 

[Defilade]

Psychic Edgar Cayce Predicted Putin Would Save Us From World War III

80 years ago, psychic Edgar Cayce predicted that Vladimir Putin would be a "force of light" in preventing World War III from occurring.

newspunch.com

 

[Blimey]

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The Russians are not going to tolerate these losses much longer.

Soon, they'll give up on any plans to capture these cities intact. The Russians will just use air power to bomb Ukraine back to the stone age. The Red Army almost has no choice any longer. They're being embarrassed. If they do not save face, even at the expense of enormous civilian casualties, they will no longer be feared and be able to continue to serve as an effective deterrent force for Russia.

I agree, but so far they've been promulgating the lie about being peacekeepers or saving ukranians or whatever the hell putin's cream dumpsters are are buying these days. It will be much harder to do as he destroys cities. He's just gone into ukraine and started massacring people now.

 

[spat]

I don't understand all the censoring of the Russian media. If Russia really is this big, bad, enemy of mine then I want to know them the best I can. I want to see their "propaganda." I have a feeling the truth is somewhere between what we are hearing on American media and what Russian state media is claiming. I also think Russia sent in the B team thinking it was going to steamroll through only to realize they now have a logistical nightmare if they even want to attempt sending in the A team to clean things up.

I also don't understand the release of the prisoners in Ukraine. If we were being invaded here the last thing I want is to worry about another group that wants to kill me.

The truth is likely not between either set of lies. It will be a different direction entirely.

Even things that both propaganda ministries agree on may be lies.

As far as prisoners, you have to remember, most prisoners are not in for "real" crimes. If some guy who got busted selling some pot wants to fight, give that man a rifle.

 

[spat]

I agree, but so far they've been promulgating the lie about being peacekeepers or saving ukranians or whatever the hell putin's cream dumpsters are are buying these days. It will be much harder to do as he destroys cities. He's just gone into ukraine and started massacring people now.

Not hard at all.

Putin does what he wants and tells his propaganda guys to come up with some justification.

It doesn't have to be remotely believable, since everyone knows it's a lie anyway.

Remember Baghdad Bob ? He wasn't fooling anyone, it's not like the Iraqis couldn't hear the explosions themselves.

Only in the US do we have a significant percentage of the population that actually believes the ridiculous narrative.

 

[BerettaGuy]

I don't understand all the censoring of the Russian media. If Russia really is this big, bad, enemy of mine then I want to know them the best I can. I want to see their "propaganda." I have a feeling the truth is somewhere between what we are hearing on American media and what Russian state media is claiming. I also think Russia sent in the B team thinking it was going to steamroll through only to realize they now have a logistical nightmare if they even want to attempt sending in the A team to clean things up.

I also don't understand the release of the prisoners in Ukraine. If we were being invaded here the last thing I want is to worry about another group that wants to kill me.

We have all seen fake Ukrain stories so I can just imagine what the Russian People are being told.
I also wonder what Putin is being told. He has eliminated any opposing people and surrounded himself with "yes men".
He is in power with the help of oligarchs. Will they tell him if the invasion is stalled?

 

[Mosinitis]

Update:

There were casualties report in recent briefing by Gen. Konashenkov.

On the Ukrainian side:

2870 killed
3700 wounded
572 surrendered

On the Russian side:

498 killed
1597 wounded

 

[Mosinitis]

Also reported:
All of the troops on the Russian side are made up from NCO's and re-enlisted. Conscripts and military cadets are not taking part in this operation.

 

[tirwin1]

Also reported:
All of the troops on the Russian side are made up from NCO's and re-enlisted. Conscripts and military cadets are not taking part in this operation.

If that is true, what do you make of their performance thus far?

 

[Mosinitis]

If that is true, what do you make of their performance thus far?

The advancing side should have higher casualties, but they are doing better then Ukrainians. It's not a cake walk, but it's not a disaster either.