Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

repel? maybe not. cost them? yes. the fight will get harder the longer they sit as weapons and volunteer's keep pouring in and defenses are set up . Look what they have done so far, it doesnt get better it gets worse.

in principle, the more time the Ukis have the stronger they will be. Thats just a fact. Can they beat the Russians straight up ? No. just cost them more.

The Ukrainians could well repel the Russians.

All they have to do is make the cost high enough.

It's unlikely they will be able to keep the Russians from taking most of the territory, but that is not how you win a modern war. The Ukrainians could well beat the Russians the same way the Taliban beat us.

 

[holdover]

It's a matter of physics.

There is a type of EMP generator powered by conventional explosives.

Explosively pumped flux compression generator - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

But EMPs require insane amounts of power to generate, and the range scales as the cube of the power.

So, to double your range you need 8x the power input. Detonating a conventional explosive generates a lot of instantaneous power, more than any other non nuclear process we know about.

A conventionally powered EMP device that's a deliverable weapon (as opposed to a building) is limited to a few hundred yards range simply by the power available.

They are not really a longer range weapon than just blowing stuff up. Their advantage is in lack of collateral damage, and the fact that repair is much easier (replacing electronics is much easier than repairing something destroyed in an explosion).

So, either they dropped so many EMP devices they might as well have been 500lb dumb bombs, or something else happened


The vast majority of the EMP scares are based on a nuclear powered EMP, which obviously has many many orders of magnitude more power than anything conventional.

Thats not to say they couldn't have been used. 40 miles seems to be a small area ,

 

[Phazer]

It sure is, if its attacked. They're fucked.

According to a video that reviewed Russian military tactics, the Russians advance to an objective, set up a forward base just outside the range of defenders but within striking distance of Russian artillery and rockets, and then siege the objective before advancing. That convoy is stopped just where it should be given the tactics. There is plenty of AA in that convoy for defense. Kiev will not be able to withstand the upcoming Russian assault.

 

[holdover]

The Ukrainians could well repel the Russians.

All they have to do is make the cost high enough.

It's unlikely they will be able to keep the Russians from taking most of the territory, but that is not how you win a modern war. The Ukrainians could well beat the Russians the same way the Taliban beat us.

I would not have thought so but they are doing it right now.

 

[Bigfoot]

Some US politicians are calling for a no fly zone. Fucking idiots.

Like this country doesn't have enough problems right now.

 

[Blimey]

Check this out. The manifestation of concerns about SAAS. This is equivalent to having a website that your business cannot function without and the host of your website says not only are we shutting down the site, but we also own the source code. This is not something they can shop around and be back taking orders by Monday. I assume they used this as web facing input only, so can still take orders by phone or whatever other archaic method they'd have to rely on.

This is a new time. Sanctions alone are painful but we're seeing a global "cancel culture" impact to Russia, too. Organizations that don't need to just do not want anything to do with them now. They have in just one week become outcasts. You love to see it.

Airline software giant ends distribution service with Russia's Aeroflot, crippling carrier's ability to sell seats

Texas-based Sabre said it ended its distribution agreement with Aeroflot.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Jmac00]

I think that convoy is a trap.

I think the entire convoy could have been decimated by three A-10 Thunderbolts, in about 10 minutes

 

[holdover]

According to a video that reviewed Russian military tactics, the Russians advance to an objective, set up a forward base just outside the range of defenders but within striking distance of Russian artillery and rockets, and then siege the objective before advancing. That convoy is stopped just where it should be given the tactics. There is plenty of AA in that convoy for defense. Kiev will not be able to withstand the upcoming Russian assault.

If you think that whats happening to them right now is part of Russian doctrine, your crazy. they did not set up a base,they are stuck on a road for some reason. Even the US generals are puzzled over whats happening there.

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[holdover]

I think the entire convoy could have been decimated by three A-10 Thunderbolts, in about 10 minutes

No they'd run out of ammo

 

[BerettaGuy]

The only way out of this is for Putin to be taken out from the inside of his inner circle.

 

[Deplorable Me]

I thought this was a cool headline, but they must have a very punitive tax code if the government found it necessary to call this out. I could see our government telling us if we help repel foreign invaders, they will only prosecute us if we survive the conflict.

Ukrainian authorities say citizens don't need to declare captured Russian tanks and military equipment for tax purposes​

Ukrainian authorities say citizens don't need to declare captured Russian tanks and military equipment for tax purposes

Authorities said the declaration of seized tanks and military equipment would be unnecessary as the cost "does not exceed 100 living wages."

news.yahoo.com

Russian tank lost in tragic boating accident?

 

[prambo]

Slightly under the surface on this largely inscrutable conflict, at least to me, is the over arching subject of "food security".

I've seen this discussed in a number of places, and the combination of the 3 "belligerents" (Russia, Belarus and Ukraine) brings an interesting dynamic out...add China and it becomes very dangerous...

Has The Great Global Food War Just Begun? - The Last Refuge

Suffice it to say that the wheat growing area of the fUSA is experiencing very bad drought, and the outlook becomes even more dismal.

Two of George Carlin' quotes stand out for me in this situation...

 

[dwa12479]

Wonder why they are out of fuel? They seem to have enough oil as they are still selling it around the world right. I wouldn't be surprised if the Russian quartermaster's have been selling it to all the local gas stations in Russia and Belarus before they invaded.

Having fuel available and actually distributing it to the convoy are 2 very different things.

 

[1341]

Having fuel available and actually distributing it to the convoy are 2 very different things.

That would be my point, especially if the fuel tankers show up to distribution point that the quartermaster had already sold the fuel off to the locals

 

[Vapor]

The t90 is basically an upgraded/modernized t72. They operate less than 1,000 total t90s. The t72 is not really obsolete anyway, so they may have figured vs the Ukrainians that some slightly older ,but still very functional gear was fine.

 

[Vapor]

Actually is looks like about 2,000 total t72 tanks are in active service. Many have received modernization upgrades. It's like if we kept the Patton and modernized it like Taiwan has.


Fun fact, we operate 90 t72s for opfor training.

 

[Mosinitis]

UPDATE :

Russian and Ukrainian negotiators just met in Belarus for the second round of talks.

Russian military spokesman said that all foreign fighters and contractors are not going to be given POW status. They will face criminal prosecution or worse.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

Had it confirmed today, in reference to why Ruskies aren't taking out cell towers and such -

They're using them. They're using cell phones, as well as 60s and 70s era comms.
Ham radio operators are listening in and streaming live Russian comms during tank battles and firefights, FFS.

Why. Unless they want people to hear the orders and reports.

 

[Uninformed and Compliant]

 

[Blimey]

UPDATE :

Russian and Ukrainian negotiators just met in Belarus for the second round of talks.

Russian military spokesman said that all foreign fighters and contractors are not going to be given POW status. They will face criminal prosecution or worse.

It's up to Ukraine to decide what happens to foreign fighters in Ukraine.

 

[Blimey]

Had it confirmed today, in reference to why Ruskies aren't taking out cell towers and such -

They're using them. They're using cell phones, as well as 60s and 70s era comms.
Ham radio operators are listening in and streaming live Russian comms during tank battles and firefights, FFS.

Why. Unless they want people to hear the orders and reports.

Because they have the military of a country with a GDP smaller than Italy is why.

I haven't even stated most of the stuff I've come upon that demonstrates the ineptitude of russian military because some of it is so incredibly ridiculous it's hard to believe. I have seen video of military communication interception, though. Also videos of russians who've gone days without food, apparently. I know war is full of propaganda it's difficult to know what is real. The biggest issue facing the entirety of russia is that many of them just never got the memo that their country isn't a superpower anymore. They are still stuck in some soviet-era nostalgia. Honest russians will be disabused of that shortly, if not already.

 

[Cavalry]

Fun fact, we operate 90 t72s for opfor training.

Correct. I have piloted one.

 

[holdover]

You bastard!

 

[Mosinitis]

It's up to Ukraine to decide what happens to foreign fighters in Ukraine.

Finders keepers. I imagine they will serve as a barganing chip when this is over.

 

[Blimey]

Finders keepers. I imagine they will serve as a barganing chip when this is over.

Then it might come up a lot, as it appears thousands of people are joining up to fight Putler's fascists.

 

[tirwin1]

Interesting Twitter thread on performance of Soviet truck tires. Might help explain the long convoy's lack of movement.

 

[Cavalry]

You bastard!

Honestly you didn't miss anything. I'm too big to be a tanker, so I had that against me from the getgo. The driver compartment would be cramped even for a little guy. Everything in there can wound you, exposed linkages, places to get hung up on or pinched. Its pure utilitarian, zero finishing or comfort. Operating one is akin to a WWII vintage bulldozer except much faster.

 

[Defilade]

 

[holdover]

Finders keepers. I imagine they will serve as a barganing chip when this is over.

Negative unless they are in uniform they will be executed.