Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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spat said:
To say nothing of the thousands of anti armor and MANPADS that are arriving.

If you're facing a prolonged occupation anainst a determined insurgency, the last thing you want is insurgents with thousands of Stingers and Javalins.

If Ukraine is smart, they are issuing those things out like hotcakes, and destroying all records of who gets them.
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Thats why Russia cant win long term. I expected them to win short term . but the borders are to large and porous and with the assistance of the west. they will just bleed .
 
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spat said:
To say nothing of the thousands of anti armor and MANPADS that are arriving.

If you're facing a prolonged occupation anainst a determined insurgency, the last thing you want is insurgents with thousands of Stingers and Javalins.

If Ukraine is smart, they are issuing those things out like hotcakes, and destroying all records of who gets them.
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Totally agree....

But the tin foil hat I'm wearing is thinking the obvious... Some of them will end up in the hands of terrorists or those who will use them not in their intendee purpose with no trace of it ever happening.
 
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Blimey said:
UPDATE:

great news :)

www.cbsnews.com

Blinken says NATO countries have "green light" to send fighter jets to Ukraine

The secretary of state says the U.S. is considering providing fighter jets to Poland if the country sends its own to Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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So, you think it is great news that NATO is going to escalate this battle?

If this really grows, I would expect you to sign up to fight, unless you are just hoping others step up.

I see this a lot; so many think this is awesome, just not awesome enough to join the fight.
 
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Blimey said:
UPDATE:

great news :)

www.cbsnews.com

Blinken says NATO countries have "green light" to send fighter jets to Ukraine

The secretary of state says the U.S. is considering providing fighter jets to Poland if the country sends its own to Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Are you ok if Putin attacks those planes on the tarmac in Poland? (Because if I was him I would. The minute they are transferred to Ukraine to be used against his military makes them a legitimate target)

Are you ok with NATO and the US being pulled in under article 5 if Russian missiles take them out in Poland?

Openly arming a country with fighter jets in the middle of a war with alliances involved opens up a whole can of worms and unintended consequences
 
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I saw one of those stickers on a pump yesterday.
It's the 5th one that I have noticed so far.

The wife always tells me when she comes across one. LOL
Wait, what, I think I'm in the wrong thread. WTF is going on here?
 
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GOPerfect said:
So, you think it is great news that NATO is going to escalate this battle?

If this really grows, I would expect you to sign up to fight, unless you are just hoping others step up.

I see this a lot; so many think this is awesome, just not awesome enough to join the fight.
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Sign up to fight against who, exactly?
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Are you ok if Putin attacks those planes on the tarmac in Poland? (Because if I was him I would. The minute they are transferred to Ukraine to be used against his military makes them a legitimate target)

Are you ok with NATO and the US being pulled in under article 5 if Russian missiles take them out in Poland?

Openly arming a country with fighter jets in the middle of a warith alliances involved opens up a whole can of worms and unintended consequences
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We are already openly arming Ukraine and our weapons have already contributed to the deaths of Russians.
 
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GOPerfect said:
Russia

You think it is good that NATO has given the green light to escalate this issue. More bombs will be dropped, more Soldiers from around the world will deploy.

You gonna go and fight?
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Why in the world would nato not already have enough troops to bitch slap Russia in a conventional conflict? Their military is a joke. Surely nobody still believes anything else. In a nuclear war we’re probably screwed anyway.

Yes I’m good with more weapons to Russia. We need as many dead Russians as possible until they go back home. They are murdering thousands of civilians. So fuck the lot of them.

I’m hoping that a Russian patriot puts a bullet in Putin’s head. It’s the best way past this for everyone.
 
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Blimey said:
We are already openly arming Ukraine and our weapons have already contributed to the deaths of Russians.
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Totally agree. I've made that point earlier in the thread.

We just keep 1 upping it.

We went from donating Body armor, to night vision,to AT4s to javelins. Now NATO is arming Ukraine with a squadron of mig29s.


It's harder for Putin to justify and getting away with attacking a US commercial jet landing in kiyv days before the war starts. We were Shipping lethal munitions right before the airspace was closed.

Now we're giving them lethal aid to try and tip the balance of a war to kill Russians and effect the outcome of air superiority.

It's a significant increase
 
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Blimey said:
UPDATE:

great news :)

www.cbsnews.com

Blinken says NATO countries have "green light" to send fighter jets to Ukraine

The secretary of state says the U.S. is considering providing fighter jets to Poland if the country sends its own to Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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On Saturday, perhaps nervous about coming into Russia's crosshairs amid the flurry of reporting, Poland's government batted down the reports as "fake news" - saying there's been no transfer of its aircraft to Ukraine nor does it intend to...


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Chancellery of the Prime Minister of Poland
@PremierRP_en
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FAKE NEWS
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Unfortunately you are spreading misinformation with quotation from 27/02/22.

Poland won't send its fighter jets to #Ukraine as well as allow to use its airports. We significantly help in many other areas.


www.washingtonexaminer.com

US in talks with Poland over shipment of fighter jets to Ukraine

U.S. Secretary of State Antony Blinken indicated Sunday that the United States is in active discussions with Poland to backfill its fleet of planes if it
www.washingtonexaminer.com www.washingtonexaminer.com


Fucking Blinkin is lying peice of shit.
 
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Blimey said:
UPDATE:

great news :)

www.cbsnews.com

Blinken says NATO countries have "green light" to send fighter jets to Ukraine

The secretary of state says the U.S. is considering providing fighter jets to Poland if the country sends its own to Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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Blimey said:
UPDATE:

great news :)

www.cbsnews.com

Blinken says NATO countries have "green light" to send fighter jets to Ukraine

The secretary of state says the U.S. is considering providing fighter jets to Poland if the country sends its own to Ukraine.
www.cbsnews.com www.cbsnews.com
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According to latest briefing. Any military aircraft taking off from the airfields of neighboring countries and flying into Ukraine, will open these countries to be considered as participants in the hostilities and treated accordingly.

They are also publicizing evidence on secret labs that produced biological and chemical weapons in violation of International law and close to their border.

This is getting interesting.
 
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On Saturday, perhaps nervous about coming into Russia's crosshairs amid the flurry of reporting, Poland's government batted down the reports as "fake news" - saying there's been no transfer of its aircraft to Ukraine nor does it intend to...

Bunch of lying mother fuckers.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Totally agree. I've made that point earlier in the thread.

We just keep 1 upping it.

We went from donating Body armor, to night vision,to AT4s to javelins. Now NATO is arming Ukraine with a squadron of mig29s.


It's harder for Putin to justify and getting away with attacking a US commercial jet landing in kiyv days before the war starts. We were Shipping lethal munitions right before the airspace was closed.

Now we're giving them lethal aid to try and tip the balance of a war to kill Russians and effect the outcome of air superiority.

It's a significant increase
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Yeah we both keep upping it. Who knows where the limit on how far we go on it should be…
 
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holdover said:
You should watch this video on the conduct of Russian operations, Its based on the book The Russian way of war, and he claims that Russia doesn't care one bit about casualties, and have always taken large casualties, in its wars. where the west is horrified by it , they dont give it a second thought. His claim is that the Russians are setting up a forward supply base just outside of Kiev as per thier doctrine. It might be an interesting perspective to watch.


free PDF book the Russian way of war.

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I like this guy, he does his research and seems smart.
 
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Blimey said:
Why in the world would nato not already have enough troops to bitch slap Russia in a conventional conflict? Their military is a joke. Surely nobody still believes anything else. In a nuclear war we’re probably screwed anyway.

Yes I’m good with more weapons to Russia. We need as many dead Russians as possible until they go back home. They are murdering thousands of civilians. So fuck the lot of them.

I’m hoping that a Russian patriot puts a bullet in Putin’s head. It’s the best way past this for everyone.
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You seem to really be pushing for war, if it goes to ground warfare and they need more people, I am sure you will be one of the first in line.

This is NOT NATO's fight; this is not a fight that the US needs to get involved with. If the Ukrainians cannot fend for themselves and repel these invaders, fuck em.
 
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Celt said:
If Russia attacks a NATO country its definitely WW3. Idont think Russia really wants that.
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It's a game of chicken. I posted somewhere in this thread about Romanian fighter jet crashing in the Black Sea, not far from Ukraine. So did Romanian rescue helicopter that came to search for survivors. They are calling it an accident, it's probably not. NATO is not going to evoke article 5 over a single incident. Most likely they will just downplay it and stop provoking more incidents.
 
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Mosinitis said:
It's a game of chicken. I posted somewhere in this thread about Romanian fighter jet crashing in the Black Sea, not far from Ukraine. So did Romanian rescue helicopter that came to search for survivors. They are calling it an accident, it's probably not. NATO is not going to evoke article 5 over a single incident. Most likely they will just downplay it and stop provoking more incidents.
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I agree. I think NATO has been pretty calm about the whole situation.

We certainly don't need to be poking the bees nest any more than we should.
 
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GOPerfect said:
You seem to really be pushing for war, if it goes to ground warfare and they need more people, I am sure you will be one of the first in line.

This is NOT NATO's fight; this is not a fight that the US needs to get involved with. If the Ukrainians cannot fend for themselves and repel these invaders, fuck em.
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It is inconceivable that ground warfare with Russia would go so badly that NATO would be short manpower. NATO’s air alone could turn the tide of the Ukraine war in a weekend—without even crossing into Russia.

I don’t want a nuclear war with Russia. If there could be any guarantee that things wouldn’t go there if we secured Ukraine airspace and turned its tanks into molten metal I am 100% behind that. NATO can do this with minimal loss of life.
 
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