spat
.950 JDJ
How, exactly, is invading a neighboring soverign nation that is no threat to him, getting tens of thousands of Russians killed in the process, and absolutely destroying his economy "serving his country ?"
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Playing on the Heart strings are ya?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
We were the reason Russia invaded Georgia. US troops were there and abandoned their vehicles, We came nose to nose with them in Georgia. and guess what else? They were planning on joining NATO , what a coincidence. almost like what they did in Ukraine.
spat
.950 JDJ
Maybe if we hadn't pussied out then, Georgia would have joined NATO and none of this would have happened.
Imagine if NATO had said "we're going to invade Ukraine and force them to join as a buffer against Russia".
That would be ridiculous, right ?
It's ridiculous when it goes the other way too.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
Why would I or anyone in the USA want to go to war over Georgia, Ukraine, Moldova ...
NATO should have dissolved, or at least we should have gotten out of it when the Soviet Union ended. It no longer had it's stated purpose.
NATO should have dissolved, or at least we should have gotten out of it when the Soviet Union ended. It no longer had it's stated purpose.
spat
.950 JDJ
The same reason we shouldn't have let Germany get away with invading Austria or Czechoslovakia.
Because if you don't stop this stuff when it's small, you'll be forced to deal with it when it' much much harder to stop.
How much of Europe do you let Putin have before you stand up ?
Do you wait till he starts occupying South American countries ? Mexico ?
Blimey
.450/400 Nitro Ex
What does that have to do with a 9 year old girl who had her arm shot off and her father killed?
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
It has to do with caption and who had the motive to shoot at that car.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
Did you look at a map? How in the world could we fight the Russians in Georgia? 100% of all supplies would have to be flown in The Russians would close the Bosphorus straights in the black sea and any ship would would face land sea and air missile strikes. It would ridiculously hard and costly.
JaguarJaguarGolf
6.5 Creedmoor
There were plenty of European countries that should have stepped against Hitler if they didn't like what Germany did back then. Just because they sucked at war fighting doesn't mean it becomes our fight.
We rebuilt the world after the big war and everyone has been sucking at our tit ever since. If Europe has a problem with Putin they shouldn't let him heat their homes. They have to get real.
China is already in South America. Iran is is South America. They can have it.
Steal2B
.700 Nitro Express
spat
.950 JDJ
Being in someplace is not the same as conquering it by force.
That's why NATO in Ukraine would not have been the same thing as Russia is doing. The difference is that NATO would have been invited.
Whether it was our fight or not at the beginning is irrelevant. It sure as hell ended up being our fight at the end. Better to nip that shit in the bud rather than letting it escalate.
This will obviously spread until it's contained.
Really, read some history about the 1930's. Japan and Italy being allowed to run rampant essentially laid out an invitation for Hitler to do the same.
Imagine a small community in some post apocalyptic world, less than 300 families and nothing like cops.
But, you're family is bigger and is better armed than the next 10 families put together.
Now, imagine family #3 starts murdering and enslaving some of the smaller families and taking their stuff.
Everyone knows family #2 is looking at their neighbors place and thinking it would make a great slave quarters
Do you just say "not my problem" and wait until they get big enough to threaten you, or do you stop them right away ?
spat
.950 JDJ
A lot of people are going to lose a lot more than that before this is over.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Unfortunately, now and then and whenever armies war.
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In all honesty I don't have all the answers. I don't know all the information. I really don't. I do however acknowledge that there is a crazy amount of propaganda, lies and deliberately misleading stories coming from both sides.
I do not want Russia attacking a sovereign peaceful country that was not threatening it directly.
I also do sympathize somewhat with Russian concerns about NATO continually expanding closer and closer. If the situation was reversed and NATO broke up and the Soviet bloc was expanding to Mexico, panama, cuba, Iceland and Venezuela we would be like WTF the cold war is over what are you doing. That is real. NATO in my honest opinion is sticking it's nose where it shouldn't trying for a provocation to justify it's existence and the defense industry.
If we were clear and said unequivocally "Ukraine will not be admitted into NATO, period". I really think Russia would not have attacked them.
So yes, I think countries should stand up to dictators attacking other countries. But Putin is not Hitler. Not literally nor figuratively. An asshole? Sure no argument here.
Like it or not Russia has the most nukes in the world. They aren't going anywhere. We have to find a way to coexist with them because conflict will likely escalate very quickly and the literal survival of our country and the world would hang in the balance.
I'm pretty sure all the governments involved here suck and are full of psychopaths looking for war or corrupt thugs. It's all the citizens who will suffer as a result of their actions.
Uninformed and Compliant
.450/400 Nitro Ex
I've been hearing about this for many years but it hasn't happened. If it does, it won't be before it annihilates Russia's economy.
Russia could default on its debt within days
Russia has sent the clearest signal yet that it will soon default — the first time it will have failed to meet its foreign debt obligations since the Bolshevik revolution more than a century ago.www.cnn.com
Putin's invasion of Ukraine will knock 30 years of progress off the Russian economy
Russia’s 40-year effort to create a Western-style market economy is one more casualty of Putin’s invasion of Ukraine.www.cnbc.com
Seriously I think there is more to it.
Russia is turning towards china and the yuan
And now this.
Saudi Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales
Saudi and Chinese officials are in talks to price some of the Gulf nation's oil sales in yuan rather than dollars or euros, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing people familiar with the ma...
I fear the US has set in motion their own undoing. By financially declaring war on Russia they are driving the rest of the world to unite under an alternate system.
This could be a seismic shift in geopolitics.
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
If oil stops being traded with US dollars we're in a serious amount of trouble. Our money will become massively devalued overnight.Seriously I think there is more to it.
Russia is turning towards china and the yuan
And now this.
Saudi Arabia reportedly considering accepting yuan instead of dollar for oil sales
Saudi and Chinese officials are in talks to price some of the Gulf nation's oil sales in yuan rather than dollars or euros, The Wall Street Journal reported Tuesday, citing people familiar with the ma...www.yahoo.com
I fear the US has set in motion their own undoing. By financially declaring war on Russia they are driving the rest of the world to unite under an alternate system.
This could be a seismic shift in geopolitics.
Dr. Evil
20×102mm Vulcan
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Not ideal but better than rocks and sticks.
livingston
20×102mm Vulcan
You will own nothing and like it ...Add in the debt .... for social justice programs ....
dwa12479
.338 Win Mag
Yep. Best use for any cash on hand would be to burn it for heat next winter.