Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

prambo · Mar 17, 2022

GOPerfect said:

Somewhat in the same vein...here are 2 articles, both opinion in some ways, that make you think...what in hell is going on here?

I firmly believe we're being lied to and gas-lit by .Gov and their media ass-crack cleaners, and that does NOT mean I'm a "Putin stooge".

First, there's the slimy bottom-feeding globalist shitweasel George Soros, who everyone here has slagged at one time or another - if he doesn't like Putin, perhaps there is more to this than we want to believe. Without doubt, Soros is in the same evil category as Schwab and his band of flying monkeys -

Soros Worries About Putin-Xi Partnership, Hopes Both Leaders Can Be Stopped 'Before They Destroy Our Civilization'

"Our civilization..."????? Yeah, he's a real bulwark of freedom and liberty.

The next "source" is not as well known, but I like this guy's writing style. An interesting read with a hefty dose of cynicism...for your consideration...

Send In The Clown

"Now don’t take my word for it Good Citizens, I have no idea how accurate that is. It’s all according to a commenter on ZeroHedge known as ZackW.

Are you willing to believe a random shit poster on ZeroHedge regarding Ukrainian Oligarchs?

I’ll take the word of ZackW, or anyone or anything alive or dead on the side of a highway over anyone in the Corporate-State propaganda media complex.

Have you seen the blood dripping from their mouths lately, begging for World War Three? Have you seen how they goad the demented one’s handlers?"

Drinkthekoolaid · Mar 17, 2022

Take with a grain of salt. Could be something, could've nothing

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I just checked one of the tail numbers myself. Literally flew to their Ural Mountains, landed and is flying right back to Moscow.

Either a nuclear continuity of government drill or their elites are bugging out

prambo · Mar 17, 2022

Also posted elsewhere...

This is the first of 2 parts from Gore. Here he takes a look at what has happened in the past, what might be happening now, and the ramifications into the future.

It isn't pretty, there is purpose on either side and, from he says, no one really wins in the end.

Bonfire of the Governments, Part One, by Robert Gore

"When Machiavelli wrote The Prince he had Vladimir Putin in mind. The president of Russia has adroitly sought, maintained, and used power, the theme of Machiavelli’s masterpiece (see “The Black Belt Strategist,” Robert Gore. SLL, July 19, 2018). That he is an amoral snake is both true and laughable as a criticism coming from the amoral snakes who populate Western power structures. Nobody who slithers to the top of those pits is anything other than an amoral snake. Western snakes hate Putin because he’s repeatedly outsnaked them."

"Narratives are for simple-minded sheep and the wolves who devour them."

"Herein lies the contradiction at the heart of the globalist design. They are fomenting ever-increasing chaos while destroying the energy, resources, and production necessary to control it."

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

spat said:
No, that was Bush and Obama.

It's like globalism is a bad thing or something.

So, Putin has invaded someone under every US president this century except for Trump.

I'm starting to think maybe his foreign policy worked better than all these highly experienced "experts".

It's a pretty silly factoid. Trump was president for 18% of this century. Three invasions in 22 years means statistically speaking the odds favor him not having invaded when trump was in power.

Nonetheless nobody seems able to verbalize exactly how trump would have stopped it. It's about as meaningful a point as saying there were no global pandemics with Bush or Obama as president, but there was under Trump.

Drinkthekoolaid · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey said:
It's a pretty silly factoid. Trump was president for 18% of this century. Three invasions in 22 years means statistically speaking the odds favor him not having invaded when trump was in power.

Nonetheless nobody seems able to verbalize exactly how trump would have stopped it.

I think a more accurate comparison would be comparing all post cold war presidents war/conflict records

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Take with a grain of salt. Could be something, could've nothing

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I just checked one of the tail numbers myself. Literally flew to their Ural Mountains, landed and is flying right back to Moscow.

Either a nuclear continuity of government drill or their elites are bugging out

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Could be anything. Probably continuity.

I would sure like to believe that one of these "elites" would prefer to put a bullet in putin before going along with him over the precipice of nuclear war.

I still see a good path out of this for russia: Somebody close to him needs to open his head up and a few top dogs in the kremlin then come on tv saying that putin had gone fucking crazy, we put him down like the dog he is, and we are pulling back from the brink of where he brought us. Very sorry, won't happen again. It's the best path forward for Russia. The absolute best, quickest path forward for russia to undo what they did here is by throwing putin under a bus. It just takes one bullet, let's do this.

GOPerfect · Mar 17, 2022

Drinkthekoolaid said:
Take with a grain of salt. Could be something, could've nothing

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I just checked one of the tail numbers myself. Literally flew to their Ural Mountains, landed and is flying right back to Moscow.

Either a nuclear continuity of government drill or their elites are bugging out

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Nuke bunkers for sure.

Canadian prepper had a good video on this yesterday.

Drinkthekoolaid · Mar 17, 2022

GOPerfect said:
Nuke bunkers for sure.

Canadian prepper had a good video on this yesterday.

I saw it. He had a few inaccuracies but the thinking is on point

tirwin1 · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey said:
It's a pretty silly factoid. Trump was president for 18% of this century. Three invasions in 22 years means statistically speaking the odds favor him not having invaded when trump was in power.

Nonetheless nobody seems able to verbalize exactly how trump would have stopped it. It's about as meaningful a point as saying there were no global pandemics with Bush or Obama as president, but there was under Trump.

It's called deterrence. Trump was an unpredictable wild card. I certainly remember all the talk after his election about how he was going to get us involved in war with North Korea.

You can reduce your cognitive dissonance with your "statistics" but the fact remains none of this happened while trump was in office.

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

tirwin1 said:
It's called deterrence. Trump was an unpredictable wild card. I certainly remember all the talk after his election about how he was going to get us involved in war with North Korea.

You can reduce your cognitive dissonance with your "statistics" but the fact remains none of this happened while trump was in office.

Well, nobody seems able to specify what deterrence means: exactly what he would have done to stop this.

As for NK I remember that. I'm glad we have cooler heads in office now--the kind of guy who jokes about putting chinese flags on american jets and attacking Russia is not one I want making any decisions that matter.

GOPerfect · Mar 17, 2022

tirwin1 · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey said:
Well, nobody seems able to specify what deterrence means: exactly what he would have done to stop this.

As for NK I remember that. I'm glad we have cooler heads in office now--the kind of guy who jokes about putting chinese flags on american jets and attacking Russia is not one I want making any decisions that matter.

Deterrence in this case means there was no invasion while trump was president. Pretty straightforward.

Donald rumsfeld had a lot of faults but he also had a few good lines. One of them was "weakness is a provocation". If there is one thing Biden exudes in spades it is weakness.

GOPerfect · Mar 17, 2022

prambo · Mar 17, 2022

holdover said:
Comparison of US to Russia military's

US

RU
Active personnel: 1,385,727 1,154,000
Reserve personnel: 849,450 2,000,000
Available for military: 73,270,043 34,765,736

US

RU
Tanks: 6,612 12,270
Armoured fighting vehicles: 41,237 26,831
Total artillery: 4,243 18,497
Self-propelled artillery: 1,498 6,532
Rocket artillery: 1,366 4,359

US

RU
Total aircraft: 12,930 5,552
Fighter aircraft: 461 792
Multirole aircraf: 2,417 832
Attack aircraft: 566 880
Helicopters: 4,741 1,724
UCAV (combat drone): 334

US

RU
Total naval: 460 664
Aircraftcarriers: 20 1
Destroyers: 94 18
Frigates: 0 11
Corvettes: 22 83
Submarines: 69

USA vs Russia | Comparison military strength

United States and Russian armed forces comparison. Here you can graphically compare chosen parameters

armedforces.eu

Russia has close to 1.5 million active duty military. It has 2 Million in reserve. with the ability to draft 34 million.

Russia went into Ukraine with around 150-200,000 troops . Less than 1/4 of their strength, Let that sink in.

Operation desert storm the US deployed over 600,000 troops for the initial invasion, not including coalition forces. And a six week air campaign.

IMHO, one has to factor into the "strength" of the fUSA military the emasculation and degradation of the staff officer corp since Obola, and the effect of blatant "woke" bullshit on the average enlisted people.

The above probably has a negative effect on morale.

Are the fUSA forces as mentally tough as the Russian forces? I doubt it.

I've yet to see what the attrition rate has been in the fUSA upper NCO ranks - namely E-5 and up. That's where the rubber meets the road.

Steal2B · Mar 17, 2022

Rereading some posts on this thread, it sure looks like there has been quite a bit of Putin serving bullshit propaganda spread here based on direct conversations friends have had with their relatives still living in Ukraine and Russia.

Those still in Ukraine confirmed first hand insights to their families that deliberate killing and attacks of civilians in non military targets and soley residential areas is widespread.

The Russians passed on to their family members that it widely understood to not be a holy war and is, to them, clearly a Putin power move.

Russians mentioned that similar to Ukraine, it is widely felt that filthy politicians and business interests in Russia have had great personal success and self-enrichment dealing with filthy politicians and businesses in the US. It was even mentioned that Moscow and Washington share the same swamps and monsters.

This makes sense to me.

The notion of Putin being a pure hearted knight rescuing the world on his white steed is utter nonsense. At best he is a cold blooded monster fighting some other monsters over more swamp.

libertysnake · Mar 17, 2022

If Ukraine can do this, then if SHTF here ever things need to go dark real fast over here and comms need to be old school at best.

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report says

A large number of senior Russian military officers are being killed in Ukraine, embarrassing losses which appeared to have hampered the invasion.

www.businessinsider.com

Drinkthekoolaid · Mar 17, 2022

holdover said:
I was alluding to the fact that the Russians have not committed the bulk of their force in the Ukraine

The Ukrainian army has something like 900,000 in the military, Russia has attacked them 150-200k troops. That dog dont hunt.

There is something deeper going on.

I posted another video earlier in this thread with the similar thesis. A guy thought Russia is setting a trap for NATO. But I'm not sure if that's too far of a stretch or if it's trying to infer that Russias invasion isn't really an incompetent cluster but it's bait instead to draw in NATO while the rest of Russia military attacks NATO. I don't agree with it but it was interesting and I can't rule it out.

libertysnake said:
If Ukraine can do this, then if SHTF here ever things need to go dark real fast over here and comms need to be old school at best.

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report says

A large number of senior Russian military officers are being killed in Ukraine, embarrassing losses which appeared to have hampered the invasion.

www.businessinsider.com

Carrier pigeons

Mosinitis · Mar 17, 2022

Snake Island 13 martyrs fake story led to another story of that ship being destroyed, which appeared on FOXNEWS website and numerous videos.
Also fake. Wow, just wow.

Uninformed and Compliant · Mar 17, 2022

libertysnake said:
If Ukraine can do this, then if SHTF here ever things need to go dark real fast over here and comms need to be old school at best.

Ukraine killed a Russian general after he made an unsecured call that gave away his location, report says

A large number of senior Russian military officers are being killed in Ukraine, embarrassing losses which appeared to have hampered the invasion.

www.businessinsider.com

1. Send a crew to look like they're prepping an attack. Their job is to "hide" but be seen by a sentry.
2. Traffic analysis on cell traffic (voice, texts, data) will show which phone is the boss. Content of that traffic is irrelevant.
3. Drone the boss phone.

DoOver · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

tirwin1 said:
Deterrence in this case means there was no invasion while trump was president. Pretty straightforward.

Donald rumsfeld had a lot of faults but he also had a few good lines. One of them was "weakness is a provocation". If there is one thing Biden exudes in spades it is weakness.

Well to biden's credit he referred to putin today as a murderous dictator and a pure thug

Blimey · Mar 17, 2022

Steal2B said:
Rereading some posts on this thread, it sure looks like there has been quite a bit of Putin serving bullshit propaganda spread here based on direct conversations friends have had with their relatives still living in Ukraine and Russia.

Those still in Ukraine confirmed first hand insights to their families that deliberate killing and attacks of civilians in non military targets and soley residential areas is widespread.

The Russians passed on to their family members that it widely understood to not be a holy war and is, to them, clearly a Putin power move.

Russians mentioned that similar to Ukraine, it is widely felt that filthy politicians and business interests in Russia have had great personal success and self-enrichment dealing with filthy politicians and businesses in the US. It was even mentioned that Moscow and Washington share the same swamps and monsters.

This makes sense to me.

The notion of Putin being a pure hearted knight rescuing the world on his white steed is utter nonsense. At best he is a cold blooded monster fighting some other monsters over more swamp.

I'm thoroughly disgusted at some of the things I read here. I have seen plenty of pictures of dead civilians, parents weeping over their kids, kids weeping over their parents. Thousands of definitely-not-nazi civilians of all ages have been killed, and millions displaced.

Anyway, this morning I saw Arnold Schwarzenegger put up a 9 minute clip. It's really very good. He intros with recognition of a friendship he had with a russian, calls putin out plainly on his bullshit, and finishes up lauding the bravery of russians who are speaking up against this. I didn't get the typical celebrity bullshit vibe from it. He also called out his father's experience fighting for the nazis in WWII.

Catskillkid · Mar 17, 2022

Drinkthekoolaid said:
I posted another video earlier in this thread with the similar thesis. A guy thought Russia is setting a trap for NATO. But I'm not sure if that's too far of a stretch or if it's trying to infer that Russias invasion isn't really an incompetent cluster but it's bait instead to draw in NATO while the rest of Russia military attacks NATO. I don't agree with it but it was interesting and I can't rule it out.

Carrier pigeons

I really can't believe this. How many spy satellites (and for that matter old fashioned human intelligence assets) do we have trained on or in Russia? Putin may be able to hide some units but not large masses of troops and that's what he'd need to take on the whole of NATO. I for one believe we know exactly how many assets the Russians have and most of their capabilities.

Furthermore, what type of "trap" is he going to set for NATO? I for the life of man can't understand why any rational leader (political of military) in Russia would think it would be a advantageous to enter into a conventional war with NATO.

Unless Putin is a James Bond-style supervillain has secret weapons hidden underground of in mountain fortresses that we don't know about. Hell, maybe the "tic tac" UFO/UAP that were in the news not all that long ago are really Russian wonder weapons (for the record, I don't believe that for an instant).

spat · Mar 17, 2022

Blimey said:
It's a pretty silly factoid. Trump was president for 18% of this century. Three invasions in 22 years means statistically speaking the odds favor him not having invaded when trump was in power.

Nonetheless nobody seems able to verbalize exactly how trump would have stopped it. It's about as meaningful a point as saying there were no global pandemics with Bush or Obama as president, but there was under Trump.

Except POTUS doesn't control pandemics.

He does control how the US is perceived internationally.

Hell, even Don Lemon admitted Trump was taken more seriously than Biden.

He was also taken more seriously than Obama or even Bush.

If Trump had a second term, Putin would have stayed in his own back yard. Because while Trump didn't start any wars (in contrast to the other 3 stooges) he was perceived as a strong America first leader who would not back down.

The other 3 are perceived as the type who would draw a red line, and when you crossed it they would just draw another one.

spat · Mar 17, 2022

Catskillkid said:
I really can't believe this. How many spy satellites (and for that matter old fashioned human intelligence assets) do we have trained on or in Russia? Putin may be able to hide some units but not large masses of troops and that's what he'd need to take on the whole of NATO. I for one believe we know exactly how many assets the Russians have and most of their capabilities.

Furthermore, what type of "trap" is he going to set for NATO? I for the life of man can't understand why any rational leader (political of military) in Russia would think it would be a advantageous to enter into a conventional war with NATO.

Unless Putin is a James Bond-style supervillain has secret weapons hidden underground of in mountain fortresses that we don't know about. Hell, maybe the "tic tac" UFO/UAP that were in the news not all that long ago are really Russian wonder weapons (for the record, I don't believe that for an instant).

Unless Putin has a million troops hidden in that base, he is not going toe to toe with NATO.

Especially in the exact theater NATO has spent the last 70 years preparing to fight.

That battle would go roughly like a battle between my dog and a pound of ground beef.

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