Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[prambo]

It was an attention-grabbing assertion that made headlines around the world: U.S. officials said they had indications suggesting Russia might be preparing to use chemical agents in Ukraine.

President Joe Biden later said it publicly. But three U.S. officials told NBC News this week there is no evidence Russia has brought any chemical weapons near Ukraine. They said the U.S. released the information to deter Russia from using the banned munitions.


It’s one of a string of examples of the Biden administration’s breaking with recent precedent by deploying declassified intelligence as part of an information war against Russia. The administration has done so even when the intelligence wasn’t rock solid, officials said, to keep Russian President Vladimir Putin off balance. Coordinated by the White House National Security Council, the unprecedented intelligence releases have been so frequent and voluminous, officials said, that intelligence agencies had to devote more staff members to work on the declassification process, scrubbing the information so it wouldn’t betray sources and methods.

Bold, effective and risky: The new strategy the U.S. is using in the info war against Russia

“It doesn’t have to be solid intelligence,” one U.S. official said. “It’s more important to get out ahead of them [the Russians], Putin specifically, before they do something."

www.nbcnews.com

This regime?

Smart enough to scam or intimidate Putin?

Putin would be a fool to use chemical weapons - an ex-KGB asshole he is, but a fool?

No.

I'm calling bullshit, and huge amounts of it too.

NBC News - pure propaganda.

 

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[Dr. Evil]

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[Dr. Evil]

Former UN Weapons Inspector Calls Joe Biden 'War Criminal' Over Ukraine

Twitter said Scott Ritter's account had been "violating our rules of abuse and harassment".

www.newsweek.com

 

[GOPerfect]

Nope, nothing weird here, just asking a question and got the plain old vanilla ice cream answer

Still, wondering what kind of response are you looking for?

You claim my response was canella; care to explain where you wanted this to go?

I can expound more, but I need to know which way you are looking for.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Viral “Russian Mobile Crematorium” Tweet Is From An 8-Year-Old YouTube Video

source: zerohedge BY TYLER DURDEN THURSDAY, APR 07, 2022 – 07:18 AM Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News, A viral tweet that remains unchecked by “fact checkers” claims to show a R…

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[GOPerfect]

There are many questions to be answered. It will be mightily difficult for russia to legitimately explain away the many killed civilians. Those with hands tied up, those buried in mass graves, murdered children thrown in piles.

This happens in every war and most times, never explanation after the fact. I can cite war after war that we have done similar.

This is all talk, no one will be held accountable for anything that may or may not be happening.

 

[Defilade]

Viral “Russian Mobile Crematorium” Tweet Is From An 8-Year-Old YouTube Video

source: zerohedge BY TYLER DURDEN THURSDAY, APR 07, 2022 – 07:18 AM Authored by Paul Joseph Watson via Summit News, A viral tweet that remains unchecked by “fact checkers” claims to show a R…

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Didn't they use that in NYC with all the bodies that were piling up early on with Covid? Ya know, The overwhelmed Hospitals and all.

 

[Bigfoot]

6 minutes

 

[Mosinitis]

 

[BerettaGuy]

Let's try an anolgy. If I come to your store, money in hand, to pay the bill for my purchases, you close the door in my face and tell me you won't take my money. Do I still have an obligation to pay you? Curious minds want to know.

Again, IMO a global financial crisis is looming which will impact the West more than the East.

And now you know why the Central Bankers are afraid of crypto. You are only as free as a banker allows.

 

[BerettaGuy]

6 minutes

For me, it is not about "standing" with anyone. It is reliving the 1930s.
The latest European War started in 1914 and continues to this day.
For me, it is about history repeating and being ready because this will not be like Iraq and Afghanistan.
There will be pain on the homefront. There will be blurred images of the dead.

The people he is talking about, are typical Americans that are following a war they first learned about on Twitter, they will be the cannon fodder used in the upcoming hostilities.
I am also saying that Russia will not just "stop" at Ukraine unless they are stopped in Ukraine.
Do you know who sees this a De'javu all over again? Poland. I don't think they care about genderless bathrooms.

 

[holdover]

1970's CIA agent, planting of false stories .

 

[holdover]

I am also saying that Russia will not just "stop" at Ukraine unless they are stopped in Ukraine.

After their performance in Ukraine you really believe this is true? That Ukraine is just a doorway to attack the 30 countries of NATO?

The Russian economy is fucked. The gasoline of the war machine is money. They aren't going anywhere.

 

[Blimey]

Did the actually hit him in the ribs? Any bruises? Any video of this. They just left? Kind of a weird story to me.

If he lifted his shirt and showed bruised ribs would you even believe they were caused by russian soldiers?

 

[Blimey]

I am also saying that Russia will not just "stop" at Ukraine unless they are stopped in Ukraine.
Do you know who sees this a De'javu all over again? Poland. I don't think they care about genderless bathrooms.

Let's not forget they also invaded poland and were happy to team up with team hitler back in 1939.

The only thing stopping more expansion from russia is that they cannot. They would love to, but the civilized world will not accept it. Finland is going to join nato now, almost certainly. 800+ miles of nato border added to the savages' lair.

Continue to be proud my tax dollars are funding the deaths of fascist scum in ukraine. Ukraine is now one of only three countries with the new switchblade 600. Javelin warhead with a 25 mile range, once again proving that the west kicks the east's ass.

 

[GOPerfect]

If he lifted his shirt and showed bruised ribs would you even believe they were caused by russian soldiers?

Nope, not at all. But it seems like these "from the heart" stories are popping up everywhere, with no proof, no evidence; just words.

 

[prambo]

Nope, not at all. But it seems like these "from the heart" stories are popping up everywhere, with no proof, no evidence; just words.

Just your run-of-the-mill propaganda for the mass formation psychosis crowd - dumb bastards will believe anything.

To me, it all...

 

[spat]

For me, it is not about "standing" with anyone. It is reliving the 1930s.
The latest European War started in 1914 and continues to this day.
For me, it is about history repeating and being ready because this will not be like Iraq and Afghanistan.
There will be pain on the homefront. There will be blurred images of the dead.

The people he is talking about, are typical Americans that are following a war they first learned about on Twitter, they will be the cannon fodder used in the upcoming hostilities.
I am also saying that Russia will not just "stop" at Ukraine unless they are stopped in Ukraine.
Do you know who sees this a De'javu all over again? Poland. I don't think they care about genderless bathrooms.

We can fight them there, or we can fight them here.

I prefer we keep most of the bombing in someone else's back yard.

 

[spat]

After their performance in Ukraine you really believe this is true? That Ukraine is just a doorway to attack the 30 countries of NATO?

The Russian economy is fucked. The gasoline of the war machine is money. They aren't going anywhere.

If we can stop them in Ukraine by just shipping a shitload of Javalins, then thats great.

But they will never stop. Maybe the shellacking they're getting in Ukraine will blunt their appetite for a while, but eventually they're going to go back to their natural form and start assimilating neighbors again.

The bloodier their nose gets from Ukraine, the longer our break will be.

 

[holdover]

Nope, not at all. But it seems like these "from the heart" stories are popping up everywhere, with no proof, no evidence; just words.

Ive seen quite a few for Russian support as well, Handing out food, Stories about AZOV , but I cant really post them. They cant be verified either.

He said, she said .

 

[holdover]

We can fight them there, or we can fight them here.

I prefer we keep most of the bombing in someone else's back yard.

So you think it would have been a good idea to allow Ukraine to join NATO? Then what? Go fight the Russians? And after 20 days of being driven back into Russia By NATO , Having no way to stop them and half their army in ruins , they are going to press that nuke button . The pentagon and the white house knows that.

The West planned and instigated this war with the objective of destroying the Russian economy and supporting an over throw of the Russian Government. You cant see that? This war could have been easily avoided by simply saying We arnt going to allow Ukraine into NATO but we want xxxxxxxx. Russians problems were solved. Never was an attempt to negotiate ever attempted prior to the war. The west did nothing but put a stick In Russias eye. And after the first week of fighting broke out the west launched a major financial attack on Russia with the intention to break its economy, They just needed an excuse to do it . Now its just a matter of time, The longer the war lasts , the better it is for the west and the worse it gets for Russia .Hell before the war started they were predicting a long strung out guerilla war which will bankrupt The Russians over time. Then they can break her up in several pieces based on ethnic and religious lines , like they did in Yugoslavia.

I cant believe you cant see the big picture here. Geopolitics moves at a snails pace. It takes decades to get things done. The deindustrialization of the US actually began in the 1960s with the out sourcing of steel to japan, Then Nixon made trade deals with China because of the slave labor and it took decades before it was accomplished . And now were here. The one thing standing in the way of thier great reset is that Russia wont go along with the program. A nuclear war is not an option, but how could they break her back without risking a nuclear war?

Threating to put troops into Ukraine was a red line that meant war with Russia , they couldn't wait to cross that fucking line , Then they turn around and meake it sound it was Putins fault , after ignoring warning after warning. And Putin took the bait. He swallowed the hook and unless he can pull some kind of rabbit out of his hat , his days are numbered, and a new broken Russia will be born much smaller than before.

 

[spat]

So you think it would have been a good idea to allow Ukraine to join NATO? Then what? Go fight the Russians? And after 20 days of being driven back into Russia By NATO , Having no way to stop them and half their army in ruins , they are going to press that nuke button . The pentagon and the white house knows that.

The West planned and instigated this war with the objective of destroying the Russian economy and supporting an over throw of the Russian Government. You cant see that? This war could have been easily avoided by simply saying We arnt going to allow Ukraine into NATO but we want xxxxxxxx. Russians problems were solved. Never was an attempt to negotiate ever attempted prior to the war. The west did nothing but put a stick In Russias eye. And after the first week of fighting broke out the west launched a major financial attack on Russia with the intention to break its economy, They just needed an excuse to do it . Now its just a matter of time, The longer the war lasts , the better it is for the west and the worse it gets for Russia .Hell before the war started they were predicting a long strung out guerilla war which will bankrupt The Russians over time. Then they can break her up in several pieces based on ethnic and religious lines , like they did in Yugoslavia.

I cant believe you cant see the big picture here. Geopolitics moves at a snails pace. It takes decades to get things done. The deindustrialization of the US actually began in the 1960s with the out sourcing of steel to japan, Then Nixon made trade deals with China because of the slave labor and it took decades before it was accomplished . And now were here. The one thing standing in the way of thier great reset is that Russia wont go along with the program. A nuclear war is not an option, but how could they break her back without risking a nuclear war?

Threating to put troops into Ukraine was a red line that meant war with Russia , they couldn't wait to cross that fucking line , Then they turn around and meake it sound it was Putins fault , after ignoring warning after warning. And Putin took the bait. He swallowed the hook and unless he can pull some kind of rabbit out of his hat , his days are numbered, and a new broken Russia will be born much smaller than before.

I think if Ukraine had joined NATO none of this would have happened.

Sure, Putin would have been pissed. But there's nothing he could do about it.

He would not have initiated a war he knows he could not win with NATO.

The only reason he invaded Ukraine is that he thought it would be a cake walk.

And much as he might not want NATO on his doorstep that gives him neither the right, nor the power to tell them they cannot join. He has no authority over their actions whatsoever.

You are right about the whole thing being a trap set for Putin by the west. He stepped right into it. He would have been far better off if he just sat back and let Ukraine join NATO.

You guys all say "he had no choice, Ukraine was about to join NATO". That's a false statement. He absolutely had a choice. He could have sat home and done nothing.

The exact choice he's going to be stuck with when Finland joins.

I would have been a far better option for him. The path he chose is likely to end up in his suicide from 2 to the back of the head, and his country in ruins. A bruised ego seems like a much better option to me.

 

[holdover]

Pretty tough choices, He could go to war with Ukraine or he could go to war with NATO. The gamble was if he could take Ukraine before they joined NATO he might be able to avoid a war with NATO (so long as he wins) . Once NATO was there He was fucked.

The gamble was Take Ukraine now before NATO enters the picture and have a bargaining chip or live with NATO on his border. He did what he had to do , He rolled the dice, looks like he 7ed out.

Nato has been training and arming the Ukraine for years, they knew what was coming. and they were well prepared for it as you can see by the map.


What I think is going to happen, is Russia will hold as much of Ukraine as she can and dig her heels in , and let the Ukraine army break on Russia's defense 'es , counter attacking if the opportunity arises. then I think it will settle down to mostly artillery strikes and maybe he can cut a deal . But he has to have something to cut a deal with, right?

 

[Dr. Evil]

New Evidence Links Hunter Biden to Ukrainian Bio Laboratories

The Russian parliamentary commission of inquiry into the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine reported that it considers inviting U.S. Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland and the son of U.S. President Hunter Biden to testify.<br />

www.telesurenglish.net

 

[holdover]

1999

 

[BerettaGuy]

Let's not forget they also invaded poland and were happy to team up with team hitler back in 1939.

The only thing stopping more expansion from russia is that they cannot. They would love to, but the civilized world will not accept it. Finland is going to join nato now, almost certainly. 800+ miles of nato border added to the savages' lair.

Continue to be proud my tax dollars are funding the deaths of fascist scum in ukraine. Ukraine is now one of only three countries with the new switchblade 600. Javelin warhead with a 25 mile range, once again proving that the west kicks the east's ass.

Name one time the "civilized world" did not accept genocide?
Russia has been expanding since 2008.

 

[prambo]

New Evidence Links Hunter Biden to Ukrainian Bio Laboratories

The Russian parliamentary commission of inquiry into the activities of biological laboratories in Ukraine reported that it considers inviting U.S. Under-Secretary of State for Political Affairs Victoria Nuland and the son of U.S. President Hunter Biden to testify.<br />

www.telesurenglish.net

 

[prambo]

Orwell Was Right

"Everybody knows if Russia had troops in Mexico or Canada there would be invasions tomorrow. [Biden] sends the Secretary of State, telling Russia, “You have no right to have a sphere of influence,” after the Monroe Doctrine, after the overthrowing of democratic regimes in Latin America for the last hundred-and-some years. Come on, America, do you think people are stupid? What kind of hypocrisy can anybody stand?

That doesn’t mean that Putin is not still a gangster—of course he is. But so were the folk promoting the Monroe Doctrine that had the U.S. sphere of influence for decade after decade after decade after decade, and anybody critical of you, you would demonize. Yet here are you, right at the door of Russia, and can’t see yourself in the mirror. That’s spiritual decay right there, brother, it really is."

 

[spat]

Pretty tough choices, He could go to war with Ukraine or he could go to war with NATO. The gamble was if he could take Ukraine before they joined NATO he might be able to avoid a war with NATO (so long as he wins) . Once NATO was there He was fucked.

The gamble was Take Ukraine now before NATO enters the picture and have a bargaining chip or live with NATO on his border. He did what he had to do , He rolled the dice, looks like he 7ed out.

Nato has been training and arming the Ukraine for years, they knew what was coming. and they were well prepared for it as you can see by the map.


What I think is going to happen, is Russia will hold as much of Ukraine as she can and dig her heels in , and let the Ukraine army break on Russia's defense 'es , counter attacking if the opportunity arises. then I think it will settle down to mostly artillery strikes and maybe he can cut a deal . But he has to have something to cut a deal with, right?

Or, he could have just kept his ass in Russia and everyone lived happily ever after.

Why is Russia the only country in the world that worries about NATO on his border ?