Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Different Drummer]

Whoa there partner, is it your contention, that meme is not a um meme?

Sorry, was I supposed to recognize that it was not for real? I don't do social media, twitter facebook etc. This forum and my e-mail is as far as it goes for me. I guess that explains why so much of what I see posted here seems to me to be without foundation.
I mean, I do get it when I see a tractor towing a warship. That is easy for my simple mind to figure out.!

 

[spat]

Eventually, these shipments will stop.

I think Russia is running out of Tanks faster than Ukraine is running out of missiles.

It is certainly in NATO's interest to deplete Russia's tank stockpile. Taking out a few million dollars worth of tanks with a few hundred thousand dollars worth of missiles is an excellent deal.

Even better when you can get someone else to fire them for you.

Russia was well in it's way to becoming a major player in the world economy, but their expansionism is not something that can be tolerated. They have chosen to be the enemy, so an enemy they are.

 

[spat]

American politics style hit piece. Bold face lie based on stringed together cherry picked factoids. This is why I take a big piss on our whole domestic politics. It's the contest of liars and fabricators.

Stalinists, Marxists, and Nazi's are all just different flavors of totalitarian. All are equally evil.

 

[spat]

Well I don't think the russians have a unlimited supply of arms either. In the end it will be who wins the logistics battle.

Pretty sure nobody wins a logistics battle against the US.

We can deliver more fully supplied troops anywhere in the world in a week than most nations have.

Our modern capabilities make the Berlin airlift and Redball Express look like a family camping trip.

 

[spat]

Ukrainians are nice hard working people. They didn't need outsiders who have nothing to do with their culture, faith or history to come in and create chaos. Now the West will fight this conflict to the last Ukrainian. Hopefully they will wise up and see how they are being used.

To be fair, the Russian and American people would do better without their governments meddling in their lives too.

Pretty sure if you asked the average Ukrainian which government interference is the worst for them they'd say the one bombing them and not the one playing politics.

 

[Mosinitis]

More images of massive Ukrainian surender at Mariupol

 

[Mosinitis]

British Asshole gets into a fight between Slavs and soils his panties. Should have stayed home cupcake.

 

[GOPerfect]

More images of massive surender at Mariupol

In this video, who is who?

They kind of all look the same.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Mosinitis]

In this video, who is who?

They kind of all look the same.

White tape on arms and legs indicates Donbass militia and Russian military.

 

[GOPerfect]

I like Patriot Nurse, but IMO, she is a bit off in this video.

 

[GOPerfect]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

The irony is the Azov battalion being wiped out is probably the only single thing all sides can agree is a good thing.

 

[Mosinitis]

The irony is the Azov battalion being wiped out is probably the only single thing all sides can agree is a good thing.

This is incorrect. Ukrainian president Zelensky made an official statement, if Ukrainian forces still holding out in steel factory in Mariupol are eliminated, all peace talks will cease. Most of these troops are Azov fighters. It's well know Azov is held above all other troops in Ukraine.

 

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[Blimey]

So, we're just supposed to follow Putin's orders ?

Repeat after me, appeasement is a bad policy.

Whether it's a playground bully, or a nuclear armed dictator, the only correct course of action is to make them fear you more than you fear them.

So, we should be making Putin terrified of provoking *us* to escalate. We should be publicly considering the no fly zone option. We should be publicly lobbying NATO and the UN to give Putin the Saddam Hussain treatment.

We don't want a war, but the best way to avoid it is to make your enemies terrified that they might get one.

Groveling every time Putin shakes his finger is exactly the way to get into one. Standing up to him is how you avoid it.

Russia has proven it cannot be reasoned with. Same reason we don't negotiate with terrorists. They can only be snuffed out. The west is very slow to learn, but starting to get the picture:


Words do not compel russia. This does:

 

[Blimey]

Pretty sure nobody wins a logistics battle against the US.

We can deliver more fully supplied troops anywhere in the world in a week than most nations have.

Our modern capabilities make the Berlin airlift and Redball Express look like a family camping trip.

I read some pro-russian trolls saying this was all part of the plan and they were expecting the west to run out of weapons before they ran out of bodies.

In WW II about 40 billion rounds of ammo were fired. We make 10 a year and we're not even at war. We gave 50M rounds of ammo to Ukraine recently. That's replaced in two days.

The west hasn't even begun to take this seriously. Sure, we sent a good chunk of our stingers, but that's because we don't need them. We have so much shit we have not even begun to send. In recent days the west has begun sending heavy weapons.

I hope people are beginning to get the picture: The western miltary is a pro mma fighter against high school bullies.

I continue to not see any logic in russia launching nukes if we shut down their air space. If we shut it down their option is to either fight, and lose large amounts of its military, or it can retreat back to its borders and hope we do not pursue (we wouldn't). Starting a fight and then launching nukes because your invasion isn't going well does not make sense. The only wildcard is that they have not been very logical so far, so it's possible they think they could scare us with some tactical nukes used in ukraine.

 

[DoOver]

 

[DoOver]

 

[MothMan]

Russia has proven it cannot be reasoned with. Same reason we don't negotiate with terrorists. They can only be snuffed out. The west is very slow to learn, but starting to get the picture:


Words do not compel russia. This does:

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When 41% percent of Italy's natural gas imports come from Russia you get Draghi acting like a whore.

Russia Is Ready To Send More Gas To Italy | OilPrice.com

Russia has told Italy that it is ready to send more gas if Italy needs it

oilprice.com

 

[Phazer]

The west hasn't even begun to take this seriously. Sure, we sent a good chunk of our stingers, but that's because we don't need them. We have so much shit we have not even begun to send. In recent days the west has begun sending heavy weapons.

I thought that I'd read somewhere that the solid rockets in the Javelin missiles have a limited life span for reliability (how long, I don't know). I seem to recall that a lot of the version 1 Javelins were being shipped abroad since our military is being supplied with version 3.

I could be recalling incorrectly of course. Someone with better technical knowledge of this missile system should feel free to chime in.

This article seems to indicate that the Javelin has a 10-year shelf life:

Estonia plans to provide Javelin missiles, howitzers to Ukraine

The Estonian Ministry of Defense is considering providing Ukraine with anti-tank weapons, Javelin missiles and 122mm howitzers, the national television and radio station ERR has said. — Ukrinform.

www.ukrinform.net

 

[DoOver]

 

[DoOver]

 

[holdover]

He's on the list now, Lira went missing in Ukraine.

 

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[Mosinitis]

Second wave has begun. Reports of Ukrainian reservists surrendering without a fight.

 

[holdover]

I thought the Russians were beat!

 

[holdover]

Phase 2 is going to be a bit different.

 

[Mosinitis]

I thought the Russians were beat!

First wave was what Russians call razvedka boyem (reconosance by battle).

 

[Mosinitis]