Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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Want to see a real shit storm have Joe put a total embargo on Chinese goods .. Was watching a you tube on the trucking industry. Besides fuel cost for the small operators .. Getting parts right now is a big issue. One repair shop said they have 200 trucks parked on their lot for months with no idea when the needed part will be in . Just wait until trade with China really gets compromised . Been stocking the best I can but near impossible to cover everything
 
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right through the sun roof! what a shot.
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These little drones are really fucking with them. They are hobby grade drones with grenades or cheap rpg rounds rigged up to serve as bombs. I saw one a few days ago of a russian soldier firing an RPG and a couple seconds later one of these knocks him on his back.

Russia is being overwhelmed by technology. They forgot we live in 2022, not 1982. Now that the west is providing heavy weapons in just the past few weeks, as time goes on ukraine's military actually gets stronger, whereas russia's gets weaker. The 155mm artillery has better range and accuracy than what russia has. Its response to this is to assault that artillery with its helicopters, which are then knocked out with manpads.

russia has already seen its northern offensive collapse in april, and now its northeastern one is slowly crumbling; being pushed back from kharkiv to the border.

russia's humiliation continues, and I love to see it.
 
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This technology really changes how wars are fought and battles won. Think of the fear it can inflict on the enemy. .. Worse than having several snipers in a battle
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Prepared fighting positions with bunkers, yet everyone is gathered around the open air supply point for lunch. Definitely a problem with what the russians are fielding as fighting troops.
 
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Blimey said:
These little drones are really fucking with them. They are hobby grade drones with grenades or cheap rpg rounds rigged up to serve as bombs. I saw one a few days ago of a russian soldier firing an RPG and a couple seconds later one of these knocks him on his back.

Russia is being overwhelmed by technology. They forgot we live in 2022, not 1982. Now that the west is providing heavy weapons in just the past few weeks, as time goes on ukraine's military actually gets stronger, whereas russia's gets weaker. The 155mm artillery has better range and accuracy than what russia has. Its response to this is to assault that artillery with its helicopters, which are then knocked out with manpads.

russia has already seen its northern offensive collapse in april, and now its northeastern one is slowly crumbling; being pushed back from kharkiv to the border.

russia's humiliation continues, and I love to see it.
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Heard also the Chechnyans picked up their marbles and went home after seeing first hand how bad the russians were doing. Probably thinking it's time for round three.
 
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1341 said:
Heard also the Chechnyans picked up their marbles and went home after seeing first hand how bad the russians were doing. Probably thinking it's time for round three.
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Nawww, they're still there, They are the only ones making any progress. But I can see thier morale getting low if the Russians keep sending them to tough areas .
 
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Blimey said:
Russia is being overwhelmed by technology. They forgot we live in 2022, not 1982. Now that the west is providing heavy weapons in just the past few weeks, as time goes on ukraine's military actually gets stronger, whereas russia's gets weaker. The 155mm artillery has better range and accuracy than what russia has. Its response to this is to assault that artillery with its helicopters, which are then knocked out with manpads.
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Only some of what we sent will ever make it to the front.If you watch whats going on the Russians have hit multiple warehouses with allied arms, they are attacking warehouses in Liviv and odessa , last week they shot down a transport full of javlins , Only some of the 70 155's will make it to the front. Ukraines armor is almost completely destroyed, thats why they had replacements from Poland .

As far as the the massive ukrainan offensive in the north east. it isnt. Half the towns recaptured were abandoned when the Russians pulled back they left 3000 men in a rear guard action to slow the Uki's down. Its not what the main stream media is telling you. The ukis have very limited offensive capabilities.

You have to consider that the Russians attacked with only 200K men The Ukis have 250K , not a wise decision on russias part But I guess they expected the Uki's to throw down thier arms and join them .

I think the russians are going to hold what they have and call it a day. They wont be able to stop the flow of weapons and material over time .
it turned into a real meat grinder there for both sides heavy losses on both sides .

Dont kid yourself, the Ukrainians paid a heavy price ,
 
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Prepared fighting positions with bunkers, yet everyone is gathered around the open air supply point for lunch. Definitely a problem with what the russians are fielding as fighting troops.
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Yeah, apparently they dont have a NCO core in thier army. Thier leadership is atrocious. and the grunts are paying for every mistake with thier lives.
 
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Only some of what we sent will ever make it to the front.If you watch whats going on the Russians have hit multiple warehouses with allied arms, they are attacking warehouses in Liviv and odessa , last week they shot down a transport full of javlins , Only some of the 70 155's will make it to the front. Ukraines armor is almost completely destroyed, thats why they had replacements from Poland .

As far as the the massive ukrainan offensive in the north east. it isnt. Half the towns recaptured were abandoned when the Russians pulled back they left 3000 men in a rear guard action to slow the Uki's down. Its not what the main stream media is telling you. The ukis have very limited offensive capabilities.

You have to consider that the Russians attacked with only 200K men The Ukis have 250K , not a wise decision on russias part But I guess they expected the Uki's to throw down thier arms and join them .

I think the russians are going to hold what they have and call it a day. They wont be able to stop the flow of weapons and material over time .
it turned into a real meat grinder there for both sides heavy losses on both sides .

Dont kid yourself, the Ukrainians paid a heavy price ,
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Good assessment.

What do you estimate losses on both sides at to this point? I think it's far higher on both sides than is being told. I don't see how it couldn't be just with all the vehicles, equipment, aircraft destroyed how the losses aren't on a massive scale.

Single days losses have to be far higher than even the height of the Iraq invasion or fighting in Fallujah.

IMO every tank/BMP/Helicopter destroyed in action probably took 5-10 troops with it just in that one instance not even counting the other losses in these skirmishes and battles or drone strikes.

Russia has had transport planes full of paratroopers, probably double digits of generals, and actual navy vessels including a flagship destroyed.

Ukraine is taking a far Greater pounding than is being reported as well. Their losses are trying to be hidden or under reported too.

These areWW2 scale battle losses.
 
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holdover said:
Only some of what we sent will ever make it to the front.If you watch whats going on the Russians have hit multiple warehouses with allied arms, they are attacking warehouses in Liviv and odessa , last week they shot down a transport full of javlins , Only some of the 70 155's will make it to the front. Ukraines armor is almost completely destroyed, thats why they had replacements from Poland .

As far as the the massive ukrainan offensive in the north east. it isnt. Half the towns recaptured were abandoned when the Russians pulled back they left 3000 men in a rear guard action to slow the Uki's down. Its not what the main stream media is telling you. The ukis have very limited offensive capabilities.

You have to consider that the Russians attacked with only 200K men The Ukis have 250K , not a wise decision on russias part But I guess they expected the Uki's to throw down thier arms and join them .

I think the russians are going to hold what they have and call it a day. They wont be able to stop the flow of weapons and material over time .
it turned into a real meat grinder there for both sides heavy losses on both sides .

Dont kid yourself, the Ukrainians paid a heavy price ,
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Those attacks in odesa are terrorism and nothing else; there is no tactical intention. The Pentagon six days ago specifically said russia's attempts are having "no impact" on weapons flow:

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Why do you think russia abandoned these towns? They cannot control them. Their military is too weak. Same reason their northern offensive crumbled. If Ukraine continues its plod to the north east it will free up more of its resources to go south.

The ukrainians have paid a heavy price. Loss of man power and killing of civilians by the fascists. Ukraine will never forgive it.

The price russia has paid is merely a fraction of what it ultimately will pay. But let's not mince words. This is what a failed invasion looks like. Russia's best way out is to hold what they have. I've strong doubts they can even keep the donbas region at this point. Ukraine is fucking pissed, and being fed high end tech to just obliterate the soviet crap that russia has. The reason people are afraid of putin using nukes is because he's a cornered rat now.


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Blimey said:
Those attacks in odesa are terrorism and nothing else; there is no tactical intention. The Pentagon six days ago specifically said russia's attempts are having "no impact" on weapons flow:
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Those weapons cost a fortune, To waste them on scareing people hundreds of miles away while they are struggling is nonsense. No commander is going to feel its a good idea to waste limited expensive ordnance for no tactical gain. The biggest threat to the russian army right now are those weapons, they are a priority target. The Pentagon is lying.

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Why do you think russia abandoned these towns? They cannot control them. Their military is too weak. Same reason their northern offensive crumbled. If Ukraine continues its plod to the north east it will free up more of its resources to go south.
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Yes and no. They fucked up the Northern assault badly. They ran way ahead of thier supply lines , they didnt send enough troops to even take Kiev, They made so many tactical errors to list. They paid a heavy price for it. weak? No. They hold huge areas of ukraine including the whole south. They pulled out of the Northern front because of bad leadership. The Uki offensive in the North is Not all its cracked up to be. The russians are fighting a rear guard action , slowing the advance Of ukraine, they were going to leave that part anyways because its they who fucked up , it wasnt the weight of the ukrainian military. although thats what were being told. They will make a stand on the other side of the river . I dont know the name of the river , it looks like someone smashed the key board a few times. plouinbnghhgftrefcduolpnfd
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This is what a failed invasion looks like. Russia's best way out is to hold what they have. I've strong doubts they can even keep the donbas region at this point. Ukraine is fucking pissed, and being fed high end tech to just obliterate the soviet crap that russia has. The reason people are afraid of putin using nukes is because he's a cornered rat now.
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Well yes, at this point the Russians have failed in thier attempt to take Ukraine. I do belive they were expecting the Ukis to join arms with them which is why they didnt send in enough troops to do the job . By not declareing a war from the start Russia screwed itself because she couldnt call up reserves or tap into emergency funds .You need at least 3 to 1 advantage , 5 to 1 for dug in troops. Again thier leadership fucked up . They may lose parts of Crimea or donbass. I only doubt it because the Ukrainians have taken heavy losses and are in no shape to take back much at this point. Over time they might,.

One thing to note because the main stream doesnt cover it, is that the Russians have been pounding Ukrainian positions day and night around the clock . I know the main stream claims they only kill civilians and ignore military targets, but the truth is Ukraine did get a bloody nose . I can see Russia just try to hold what it has for the moment and let the Ukis try offensive operations against dug in troops . I dont know if they will launch another large assault or just call it quits.
 
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That makes no sense whatsoever. Those weapons cost a fortune, To waste them on scareing people hundreds of miles away while they are struggling is nonsense. No commander is going to feel its a good idea to waste limited expensive ordnance for no tactical gain. The biggest threat to the russian army right now are those weapons, they are a priority target. The Pentagon is lying.
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It may be lying, but I am very confident the bulk, at least, of shipments are making their way to the frontline just fine.

They have very few hypersonic missiles and their use if not terroristic represents desperation. Every day lots of new nato toys which are superior to the soviet sheet metal crap the fascists are forced to fight with.

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Yes and no. They fucked up the Northern assault badly. They ran way ahead of thier supply lines , they didnt send enough troops to even take Kiev, They made so many tactical errors to list. They paid a heavy price for it. weak? No. They hold huge areas of ukraine including the whole south.
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No worries, they will keep losing stolen territory soon enough :) Much of the area they "have" now they already had/was militarily contested before this recent invasion.

I've mentioned how this misadventure has set russia back but this essay discusses China's view on it.

Re. defeat--and keep in mind much of russia's territory china thinks historically should be its.

Such a weakened Russia, isolated from the West, would have little choice but to ally itself with China on whatever terms the latter demands. This would provide China with a committed and docile strategic ally, and with access to the natural resources of Siberia.
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www.geopoliticalmonitor.com

Was China Betting on Russian Defeat All Along?

The best outcome of the Ukraine invasion for Beijing is a weakened, isolated, and dependent Russia. Perhaps this was the plan all along.
www.geopoliticalmonitor.com
 
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Ruskies got absolutely rekt with this fiasco: Russia suffers heavy losses in failed Donbas river crossing

I saw some other pics, too. Looks sooo bad it’s almost like they towed the tanks in from a grave yard for a picture op :)

nato artillery (the good shit) is now in country. Its range is better than Russia’s and with counter artillery radar they can instantly hone into an enemy position and lob rounds safely out of range of counter.
 
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