Things are heating up in the Donbass

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holdover said:
Giving them heavy weapons isnt going to work. tanks artillery ect all need parts and technicians to work on them. They need trained people to keep them running. Stingers and javlins dont require any work , but tanks APC's, big guns do .Tankers require team work, they move as a unit not an individual tanks . Ukraine is about to get a dose of reality real soon.
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Ukraine has a modern professional military.

They're not giving these to a bunch of guerrillas.

Also, they shouldn't need too much complex maintainence in the first month or two. By then their mechanics can be trained up on the new gear.
 
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holdover said:
Giving them heavy weapons isnt going to work. tanks artillery ect all need parts and technicians to work on them. They need trained people to keep them running. Stingers and javlins dont require any work , but tanks APC's, big guns do .Tankers require team work, they move as a unit not an individual tanks . Ukraine is about to get a dose of reality real soon.
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Ukraine has a modern professional military.

They're not giving these to a bunch of guerrillas.

Also, they shouldn't need too much complex maintainence in the first month or two. By then their mechanics can be trained up on the new gear.
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The last US Army unit to leave Ukraine just before the invasion was training them on the 155mm towed artillery gun and counter battery radar units.
 
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And we keep upping the ante in ukraine:

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spat said:
Ukraine has a modern professional military.

They're not giving these to a bunch of guerrillas.

Also, they shouldn't need too much complex maintainence in the first month or two. By then their mechanics can be trained up on the new gear.
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I got some bad news for you, a lot of their professional army is dead or captured. I know the media reports are only a few Ukraine killed but its a hell of lot more than that. They lost 12-14000 of thier best in Mariupol alone. Where are training the new soldiers? It aint Ukraine. thier bases have all been hit hard , thier airforce is almost gone. they had to get more tanks from the Polish because most of thier armor is gone too. The only place they are making any headway is in the North where the Russians have pulled back and the media is playing it as if they won some gigantic battles there. they didnt , the Russians left. watch what happens in the donbass in the next week or two. the Ukrainian defenses are crumbling. they cant supply thier men there.

Those big guns need a lot of care, If they break , they need parts and guys to fix them tough to get either. Shit tends to break when they are under a lot of use. Ask an artillery guy.
 
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holdover said:
I got some bad news for you, a lot of their professional army is dead or captured. I know the media reports are only a few Ukraine killed but its a hell of lot more than that. They lost 12-14000 of thier best in Mariupol alone. Where are training the new soldiers? It aint Ukraine. thier bases have all been hit hard , thier airforce is almost gone. they had to get more tanks from the Polish because most of thier armor is gone too. The only place they are making any headway is in the North where the Russians have pulled back and the media is playing it as if they won some gigantic battles there. they didnt , the Russians left. watch what happens in the donbass in the next week or two. the Ukrainian defenses are crumbling. they cant supply thier men there.

Those big guns need a lot of care, If they break , they need parts and guys to fix them tough to get either. Shit tends to break when they are under a lot of use. Ask an artillery guy.
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The size of the ukranian military before this shit show started was on the order of 200k men.

Certainly they are strained, but I wouldn't say they are any closer to collapse than the Russians.

I am sure they are still capable of basic maintainence on vehicles and armor.

If it needs depot level overhaul, they could always outsource. We sold or leased them the tanks, surely they can ship them back to the dealer for major service.
 
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The size of the ukranian military before this shit show started was on the order of 200k men.

Certainly they are strained, but I wouldn't say they are any closer to collapse than the Russians.

I am sure they are still capable of basic maintainence on vehicles and armor.

If it needs depot level overhaul, they could always outsource. We sold or leased them the tanks, surely they can ship them back to the dealer for major service.
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Basic maintenance is not so easy , if you need tranny fluid and there is no tranny fluid .

They are collapsing in the Donbass, not the whole country , they are running into a similar dilemma that Russians did in the North , keeping the lines of supplies open. The Russians dropped some key bridges behind the Ukrainians and the supply lines are stretched to the max . While the western press insisted the Russians are finished , they took a page out of our playbook and bombed the living shit out of the Ukraines day and night for 30+ days, they prepped the battlefield, and now they have broken through in several areas . they can stay in thier bunkers with no hope of resupply or make a run for it. (which I think is to late now) Zelensky refused the defenders at Mariupol to surrender several times , and I believe he is going to do the same the donbass . They will be encircled and destroyed .Doing that, zelensky is buying time. tieing up Russian troops for weeks or months . The donbass looks like a modern day Maginot line, with trenches and fortifications for miles , not an easy day, thats for sure. If they leave the bunkers now, the Russians will be on them like a pack of dogs until they can cross the river, if they can cross the river.

I remember reading about the German retreat to the Diepner river, the Russians were right on thier ass, They pinned them on the river bank It was a horrible slaughter,
 
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holdover said:
Basic maintenance is not so easy , if you need tranny fluid and there is no tranny fluid .

They are collapsing in the Donbass, not the whole country , they are running into a similar dilemma that Russians did in the North , keeping the lines of supplies open. The Russians dropped some key bridges behind the Ukrainians and the supply lines are stretched to the max . While the western press insisted the Russians are finished , they took a page out of our playbook and bombed the living shit out of the Ukraines day and night for 30+ days, they prepped the battlefield, and now they have broken through in several areas . they can stay in thier bunkers with no hope of resupply or make a run for it. (which I think is to late now) Zelensky refused the defenders at Mariupol to surrender several times , and I believe he is going to do the same the donbass . They will be encircled and destroyed .Doing that, zelensky is buying time. tieing up Russian troops for weeks or months . The donbass looks like a modern day Maginot line, with trenches and fortifications for miles , not an easy day, thats for sure. If they leave the bunkers now, the Russians will be on them like a pack of dogs until they can cross the river, if they can cross the river.

I remember reading about the German retreat to the Diepner river, the Russians were right on thier ass, They pinned them on the river bank It was a horrible slaughter,
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I don't think they will have a hard time getting tyranny fluid since we're currently shipping them tanks and cash by the train load.

I would assume we're shipping normal maintainence supplies as well.
 
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And we are considering upping the ante even more:

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I know the country is focused on making guns illegal after the texas school shooting. But no one should be surprised if we get dragged into direct conflict with russia. At some point we are going to cross a line and then act surprised when the russians take action.
 
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News from Donbas!
If Ukraine had a Second Amendment it would read like this:
A Well regulated militia being necessary to a free state, the people's right to keep and bear arms will be infringed and will be non-existent until the enemy is at the gates. Then we will let them borrow arms and ammunition, fully expecting it back when the threat is over. (if they survive).

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Ukrainian unit in Donbas: We refuse to continue fighting without better weapons and commanders

A depressing clip from a depressing WaPo story about morale waning in the east. We’ve written
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Interesting , The Russians shortened thier own supply routes, but extended the Ukrainian supply routes from the Polish border. Hmmmmmm

This could get sporty
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Mariupol Falls, Izium falls, Rubizine falls,, Lyman falls, Siverdonesk falls, supply lines cut , Ukrainians surrender because they are out of supplies . The last large city in the donbass falls . The collaspe of the forces on the east side of the donbass river is inevitable. It will be a massive retreat to the river . The Russians will now kill or capture anyone left in the pocket quickly . That river will not be easy to cross ,most likely they will dig in there, I would expect a new offfensive from the South and North with river to thier flank until they can secure a crossing If they can.

Ukraine has taken some severe losses .The most they can do now is prolong the fighting, but the outcome is inevitable. I take my hat off to them, they did what nobody thought they can do, they put up one hell of a fight. But the writeing is on the wall.
 
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The Russians are going to come down from the north and south in pincer movements and cut off Ukraines Eastern forces which make up the bulk of their better units. They will get cut off and surrounded.

It will be just like an eastern front ww2 battle again. Once encircled they will run out of munitions, support, medical evacuation etc. They will either have to surrender or fight to the end.

Once Ukraine loses its eastern forces they're done for.
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holdover said:
Mariupol Falls, Izium falls, Rubizine falls,, Lyman falls, Siverdonesk falls, supply lines cut , Ukrainians surrender because they are out of supplies . The last large city in the donbass falls . The collaspe of the forces on the east side of the donbass river is inevitable. It will be a massive retreat to the river . The Russians will now kill or capture anyone left in the pocket quickly . That river will not be easy to cross ,most likely they will dig in there, I would expect a new offfensive from the South and North with river to thier flank until they can secure a crossing If they can.

Ukraine has taken some severe losses .The most they can do now is prolong the fighting, but the outcome is inevitable. I take my hat off to them, they did what nobody thought they can do, they put up one hell of a fight. But the writeing is on the wall.
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No wonder Ukraine wants weapons that can strike into Russia. Scary that Biden is actually considering the idea.
 
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I think they want to interdict the supply lines there. they cant do it with the air force on a daily basis , and they want to make it costly to cross any more rivers .
 
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I highly suggest the Netflix Movie. Watch Munich – The Edge of War | Netflix Official Site

I don't know if they are re-writing history, but in the movie, two friends discover that Hitler has plans that extend way beyond his invasion of Checkoslovikia and include world domination. It shows Nevel Chamberlain as knowing the full extent of Germany's plan, but that he knew the West had to stall and stall to prepare as they were unprepared at the time to do anything to stop Hitler.

We are saying the 40 Billion is going to Ukraine but it is really going to build up to go against Putin and Xi
We are unprepared to stop Putin or Xi Jinping.
We need time to prepare ourselves and the Allies just like the 1930s again.

A European War has started (again). The Indo pacific is heating up! (again)

The winds of war are blowing! (again)

Answer this question: How are you going to _________________________ if we go to war with china?

Sample answers may be: buy a car - buy a computer - repair a car - and on and on.
Will we be able to have a war and the media pretend we don't have a war, like they have done since Iraq?
No, it is going to have a major profound effect on each and every person in the US.
Gonna be a lot of crying snowflakes seeking safe spaces or Sorry General, we can't produce the ammo you need because the Government makes us hire people that have only ever broken a sweat in a gym.
 
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