Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

One thing I think is that both sides are chronically under reporting their losses.

I believe it's entirely possible or likely Russia has well over 50,000 casualties to this point. Just ball parking how much equipment they have lost, how many units are rumored to be destroyed, how many generals dead, cruisers sunk, paratroopers shot down, helicopters lost, armored infantry units etc...

Russia lost a crap ton while they were "learning" how to fight a modern battlefield against a combat experienced enemy with advanced western weapons.

However any advantage the ukies had in the initial weeks is slipping away. They are now being pounded and are being ground down in a war of attrition. As Ukraine loses more of their better experienced units their roles will be replaced by "national guard" which largely consists of dudes off the street of various physical abilities given rifles and a week of training now going up against a combat experienced and hardened Russian army. The losses will become increasingly lopsided against Ukraine.

Ukraines air force is now combat ineffective and has been degraded.

Ukraine may well lose 1000+ casualties a day going forward.

Ukraine is going to be in pain the longer this drags on. Even with advanced western weapons they will need competent trained units capable of employing them.

Russia is getting stronger now as Ukraine gets weaker.

Zelinsky admited to loseing over 100 troops a day in the Donbass, Russian claims were 1500 per day,

Obviously Zelinsky cant honestly say for security purposes, but hes admitting to 100. Probably between 2-400 .But even Zelinskys numbers come close to 1000 a week, maybe 3000 a month. Not including surrenders .

 

[holdover]

Their energy economy will be just fine. They will always have buyers for their natural resources.

Unfortunately they are never coming back into the fold and cooperating with Europe again. That's over. Europes energy needs are "kaput".



Im awaiting to see what happens in the next 3 months before I really know what Russia is going to do. I can't figure them out for the life of me. Who knows what will happen. Poland is rumored to be going to get ready to send peacekeepers into western Ukraine. Who knows what happens with Finland and Sweden. I don't think this is over by a long shot and I don't want to under estimate Russia just yet. (who knows with Xi is going to do either).

We may be looking at a scenario where ww3 has started we just don't realize it yet. It's reminiscent of poland 1939 again

Russia sells oil to Kuwait, or someone else, kuwait sells oil to Europe. Thats how it works. the sanctions are not as effective as the US claims. Theres loop holes. third partys, middle men, profiteers, theres a buck to made .

 

[Acer-m14]

Don't know about you, but I "feel" safer knowing fUSA.Mil has such quality troops.

Wonder hiw many Article 15s there were in 1:10 min.

section 8 .. for one .. mentally unfit .. lol ..

 

[spat]

Don't know about you, but I "feel" safer knowing fUSA.Mil has such quality troops.

Wonder hiw many Article 15s there were in 1:10 min.

Imagine calling other people unprofessional in the middle of throwing a tantrum like a 2 year old.

 

[spat]

Russia sells oil to Kuwait, or someone else, kuwait sells oil to Europe. Thats how it works. the sanctions are not as effective as the US claims. Theres loop holes. third partys, middle men, profiteers, theres a buck to made .

To make that worth Kuwait's while, they would have to sell to Kuwait below their cost.

Not sure Russia can pump and ship oil to Kuwait cheaper than Kuwait can just pump more of their own.

And even if they are doing that, that's drastically cutting into the Russian profit margin. It may not be as effective as a 100% cut off, but it certainly would be a sanction.


I think the more likely scenario is Russia sells to China at a 10% discount from global prices.

China buys less at full price on the global market, that increases the supply of the full price oil for the rest of the world, and China pockets the savings.

 

[holdover]

I was just making a point, theres work arounds, I just threw that out there.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

And if the rocket launchers weren't enough...

Right on que...

US plans to sell Ukraine Gray Eagle drones that can carry Hellfire missiles to help battle Russia, report says

The Biden administration will notify Congress of the potential sale of four MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones to Ukraine in the coming days, Reuters reported.

www.yahoo.com

 

[prambo]

Reckoning With Insanity, Part One, by Robert Gore

"The debt situation is an insanity that has become almost normalized because it’s gone on for so long. There has not yet been the kind of catastrophic financial and economic crash that will serve as conclusive proof of its insanity. Absent such a crash, many people ignore, or worse, actively court the looming disaster, dancing on the rim of a rumbling, smoking volcano. Perhaps to divert attention, the liars have started a war with Russia.

The time many people will have to grasp the insanity of the Russian situation may be measured in microseconds. A brilliant, blinding flash and millions are instantly incinerated."

 

[Blimey]

Zelinsky admited to loseing over 100 troops a day in the Donbass, Russian claims were 1500 per day,

Obviously Zelinsky cant honestly say for security purposes, but hes admitting to 100. Probably between 2-400 .But even Zelinskys numbers come close to 1000 a week, maybe 3000 a month. Not including surrenders .

Yeah but hasn’t Russia admitted to losing only 1500 or something? They won’t even call it an invasion. Anything they say can be summarily dismissed.

I assume Ukraine probably loses fairly similar numbers of military to Russia.

 

[Mosinitis]

In years after Soviet-Afghan war, stinger missiles US gave to Mujahadeen ended up in the hands of Al Qaeda and other terrorist organizations.

The Chief of Interpol issued a warning on sophisticated modern weaponry, the West is sending to Ukraine, getting into the wrong hands.

Interpol Warns of Flood of Illicit Arms After Ukraine War

Many of the weapons being sent to Ukraine will eventually wind up in criminal hands in Europe and beyond, Interpol's chief warned.

www.thedefensepost.com

 

[spat]

Reckoning With Insanity, Part One, by Robert Gore

"The debt situation is an insanity that has become almost normalized because it’s gone on for so long. There has not yet been the kind of catastrophic financial and economic crash that will serve as conclusive proof of its insanity. Absent such a crash, many people ignore, or worse, actively court the looming disaster, dancing on the rim of a rumbling, smoking volcano. Perhaps to divert attention, the liars have started a war with Russia.

The time many people will have to grasp the insanity of the Russian situation may be measured in microseconds. A brilliant, blinding flash and millions are instantly incinerated."

The thing about the sort of crash we're approaching is that there are no major symptoms until it is far too late.

Just like there was no sign of inflation until long after it was too late to un-lockdown the economy and revoke the stimulus money.

 

[tirwin1]

The thing about the sort of crash we're approaching is that there are no major symptoms until it is far too late.

Just like there was no sign of inflation until long after it was too late to un-lockdown the economy and revoke the stimulus money.

There ain't no offramps on the freeway to hell!

 

[Mosinitis]

Drove for 5 hours yesterday and listened to the radio. Didn't hear a thing about the war in Ukraine. Russians are winning, no question about it. Putin warned the West about transfer of long range missiles to Ukraine. Not sure what kind of levarage Russia is using, maybe a threat to give long range missiles to N. Korea. Even anti-Russian media has to admit the use of civilians as human shields by Ukrainian military (at 1:20).

 

[Acer-m14]

Drove for 5 hours yesterday and listened to the radio. Didn't hear a thing about the war in Ukraine.

i peek at the news papers on the stands at the gas station here .. im there every day ,, never seen a front page ad on this war

 

[Defilade]

View attachment ukraine.MP4

 

[livingston]

And if the rocket launchers weren't enough...

Right on que...

US plans to sell Ukraine Gray Eagle drones that can carry Hellfire missiles to help battle Russia, report says

The Biden administration will notify Congress of the potential sale of four MQ-1C Gray Eagle drones to Ukraine in the coming days, Reuters reported.

www.yahoo.com

How a 15-year-old Ukrainian drone pilot helped destroy a Russian army column​

Find it interesting that a whole column could not be located. by the armed forces. Hell back in WW1 we had one seater bi planes with passenger pigeons ..scouting

 

[livingston]

A REAL Russian Supermarket Tour! WITH PRICE CONVERSION - USD/EUR/GBP/CAD - Inside Russia Report​

6/07/22

 

[prambo]

Part 2 of Gore's article - Part 1 above or in the link below.

Reckoning With Insanity, Part Two, by Robert Gore

"The concern has been expressed that backed into a corner, madman Putin might then take the conflict nuclear. The more pressing concern: that is the outcome America’s madmen and madwomen want. A generally unrecognized possibility (in the Western media) is that it could be the American contingent who find themselves backed into a corner."

"You don’t have to be David to fight Goliath and you don’t have to be Atlas to shrug. In “Revolution in America,” I made the case that withdrawal of scrip en masse from America’s highly leveraged financial system would undermine the foundation of the Ruling Caste’s tawdry empire. I’m not going to make that case again—interested readers can click the link—but it still stands. In a system as leveraged as ours, mass withdrawal, a preemptive bank run, would be David’s rock and sling."

"The situation is more urgent now because Americans will soon be denied yet another freedom—the freedom to withdraw their money from their bank or other financial institution. What’s rarely mentioned in the discussions of central bank digital currencies is that digital scrip will be electronically trapped. Bank withdrawals will be tightly controlled and runs will be no more permitted than disclosures of government criminality or criticisms of the Ruling Caste."

If you aren't doing what is highlighted in yellow and bold above, you should be.

 

[Mosinitis]

Cossack Boris. (you just can't make this up)

You’re a Cossack now, Ukrainians tell Boris Johnson and his ‘freedom-loving hair’

Honorary title bestowed on the PM, who is also celebrated in a painting as the Cossack Mamay, a folkloric hero playing the kobza

www.telegraph.co.uk

 

[Mosinitis]

I wonder what would be the reaction if Ukrainian embassy posted a picture of Washington Crossing the Delaware painting with Zelensky by his side.
Typical American disrespect for cultures and history of other Nations.

 

[prambo]

The propaganda and manipulation by the West, writ large, and Zelenskyy and his crew of merry pedos and money launderers is starting to crack.

Ukrainian Official Admits She Lied About Russians Committing Mass Rape to Convince Countries to Send More Weapons

 

[holdover]

Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by their adversary, a top intelligence official has said

Kiev forces are almost out of ammunition and can only rely on Western-supplied arms in the battle against Russia, a top Ukrainian intelligence official has said.

“This is an artillery war now,” Vadim Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, told The Guardian on Friday.
Ranged combat is going to decide the outcome of the conflict between the two countries, “and we are losing in terms of artillery,” he acknowledged.

Ukrainian troops are currently firing 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, and their stockpiles are running out fast, the intelligence official said. “We have almost used up all of our [artillery] ammunition and are now using 155-caliber NATO standard shells,” he said.
Kiev is also severely outgunned in the Donbass, having almost run out of the Soviet- and Russia-designed artillery pieces it had at the start of Moscow’s military operation, according to Skibitsky. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces,” he pointed out.
“Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us,” the intelligence official said. “Our Western partners have given us about 10% of what they have.”

Skibitsky also called upon Kiev’s foreign backers to supply long-range rocket systems that could destroy Russian artillery pieces from afar.
The US and its allies have been reluctant to provide Ukraine with this type of weaponry over concerns that it could cause a direct conflict between Russia and NATO.

Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia - Wild Sage News

Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by t

wildsage.us

Luhansk regional governor Sergei Gaidai said Russians were "dying like flies" but echoed Mr Podolyak's claim that Ukraine is facing difficulties with a "catastrophic" lack of artillery.

Ukrainian casualties: Kyiv losing up to 200 troops a day - Zelensky aide

Mykhaylo Podolyak told the BBC that Ukraine needs more weapons to match Russia's firepower.

www.bbc.com

Mr Podolyak's suggestion that 100 to 200 Ukrainian soldiers are dying each day is higher than previous estimates. On Thursday, Ukraine's Defence Minister, Oleksii Reznikov, said Ukraine was losing 100 soldiers a day, and 500 more were injured.

Ukrainian casualties: Kyiv losing up to 200 troops a day - Zelensky aide

Mykhaylo Podolyak told the BBC that Ukraine needs more weapons to match Russia's firepower.

www.bbc.com

"Everything now depends on what [the west] gives us,"

Skibitsky said in an interview with the Guardian. "Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces. Our western partners have given us about 10% of what they have."

Ukraine running out of ammunition, intelligence official says

Ukrainian deputy head of military intelligence says the country is running out of artillery and relying almost entirely on the contributions of fire power from the West.

www.foxnews.com

 

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Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by their adversary, a top intelligence official has said

Kiev forces are almost out of ammunition and can only rely on Western-supplied arms in the battle against Russia, a top Ukrainian intelligence official has said.

“This is an artillery war now,” Vadim Skibitsky, the deputy head of Ukraine’s military intelligence, told The Guardian on Friday.
Ranged combat is going to decide the outcome of the conflict between the two countries, “and we are losing in terms of artillery,” he acknowledged.

Ukrainian troops are currently firing 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, and their stockpiles are running out fast, the intelligence official said. “We have almost used up all of our [artillery] ammunition and are now using 155-caliber NATO standard shells,” he said.
Kiev is also severely outgunned in the Donbass, having almost run out of the Soviet- and Russia-designed artillery pieces it had at the start of Moscow’s military operation, according to Skibitsky. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces,” he pointed out.
“Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us,” the intelligence official said. “Our Western partners have given us about 10% of what they have.”

Skibitsky also called upon Kiev’s foreign backers to supply long-range rocket systems that could destroy Russian artillery pieces from afar.
The US and its allies have been reluctant to provide Ukraine with this type of weaponry over concerns that it could cause a direct conflict between Russia and NATO.

Ukraine acknowledges it’s losing artillery war to Russia - Wild Sage News

Kiev forces have one artillery piece to 15 fielded by t

wildsage.us

So a military intelligence offical, who sounds like he is pretty high up in the chain of command gives a interview to a western newspaper and basically says we have to throw the towel in because we are running out of ammo. I really don't think military intelligence officials of any nation are in the habit of giving your enemy any truthful information freely.

 

[holdover]

So a military intelligence offical, who sounds like he is pretty high up in the chain of command gives a interview to a western newspaper and basically says we have to throw the towel in because we are running out of ammo. I really don't think military intelligence officials of any nation are in the habit of giving your enemy any truthful information freely.

He didnt say they were throwing in the towel. He said they they have been using 5000 shells a day ( russiian equipment) and now they are short of shells and artillery. Why do you think the US was sending them M777's?

The enemy has a good idea of the artillery based on activity . You dont have to tell the Russians they are not being shelled heavily anymore.

 

[1341]

The enemy has a good idea of the artillery based on activity . You dont have to tell the Russians they are not being shelled heavily anymore.

Except when you're fighting a defensive battle there is a no need for great expenditures of artillery fire. You need to keep it ready for when the enemy starts his attack.

 

[1341]

I think the Ukrainians have been short on ammo in all types since the beginning as I've seen numerous videos of them scavenging destroyed and abandoned russian equipment. I noticed that it appears that might be the assignments of foreign volunteers.

 

[tirwin1]

So a military intelligence offical, who sounds like he is pretty high up in the chain of command gives a interview to a western newspaper and basically says we have to throw the towel in because we are running out of ammo. I really don't think military intelligence officials of any nation are in the habit of giving your enemy any truthful information freely.

I don't trust anything in the press, particularly from unnamed military sources.

 

[holdover]

Except when you're fighting a defensive battle there is a no need for great expenditures of artillery fire. You need to keep it ready for when the enemy starts his attack.

I guess thats why they dont have enough shells .

 

[holdover]

I don't trust anything in the press, particularly from unnamed military sources.

Hardly unnamed. More Russian propagana from Ukraine?

Ukraine's Defence Minister, Oleksii Reznikov

Ukrainian Deputy Head of Military Intelligence Vadym Skibitsky

Mykhailo Mykhailovych Podolyak is a Ukrainian politician, journalist and negotiator, serving as the adviser to the president of Ukraine Volodymyr Zelenskyy.

 

[holdover]

I think the Ukrainians have been short on ammo in all types since the beginning as I've seen numerous videos of them scavenging destroyed and abandoned russian equipment. I noticed that it appears that might be the assignments of foreign volunteers.

Yes that must be it. They are begging the west for weapons, they are saying they are low on artillery shells because they they are giving them all away to foreign fighters? Holy shit! They are all spreading Russian propaganda or they actually need supplies. Jesus!You know, If you dont know anything about military matters dont comment about it.

This might be hard for you to believe, but the Ukrainians in the Donbass are serious trouble. Its not Russian propaganda.