Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Dr. Evil]

Pentagon Admits Supporting 46 Biolabs in Ukraine

The US Department of Defense acknowledged in a press release that the United States has endeavored to "improve Ukraine's security and disease surveillance for both human and animal health" by providing support to 46 biological laboratories and "health and disease diagnosis sites” over the last...

orinocotribune.com

Gee, I guess the fact checkers were wrong... AGAIN! If they were truly using them to rid the world of bioweapons why lie about them up until now?

 

[1341]

Yes that must be it. They are begging the west for weapons, they are saying they are low on artillery shells because they they are giving them all away to foreign fighters? Holy shit! They are all spreading Russian propaganda or they actually need supplies. Jesus!You know, If you dont know anything about military matters dont comment about it.

This might be hard for you to believe, but the Ukrainians in the Donbass are serious trouble. Its not Russian propaganda.

Sure thing Eisenhower

 

[holdover]

Your comments made no sense , I was just pointing it out.

 

[1341]

Like yours do too

Your comments made no sense , I was just pointing it out.

 

[holdover]

Absolutely, I just posted the qoutes from Ukrainian leaders, you posted some opinion based on nothing

 

[holdover]

Hey do you know where these foreign fighters are trained to use artillery? Are they attached to the Ukrainian army or are they independent? can you post a link for us ? thanks

 

[1341]

Who said anything about trained to use artillery

 

[holdover]

Its common sense. Do you know how to use Russian artillery? Do you think all these forgien fighters are comming there trained on how to use Russian artillery ? Do you think there may be a language barrier when calling in strikes? Do you know anything about the military that you didnt see on MSNBC? You were the one who said the foreign fighters were using up all the shells .lol. really man?

 

[1341]

Its common sense. Do you know how to use Russian artillery? Do you think all these forgien fighters are comming there trained on how to use Russian artillery ? Do you think there may be a language barrier when calling in strikes? Do you know anything about the military that you didnt see on MSNBC? You were the one who said the foreign fighters were using up all the shells .lol. really man?

Sorry, I keep forgetting you are the second coming of Ike

 

[holdover]

Hey thats ok, come back when you know what your talking about.

 

[1341]

Hey thats ok, come back when you know what your talking about.

Please re-read post #4856, slowly this time and fill me in on where it says anything about operating artillery and by who

 

[holdover]

stop making a fool of yourself ,

 

[1341]

stop making a fool of yourself ,

Went back to middle school, I see

 

[spat]

Yes that must be it. They are begging the west for weapons, they are saying they are low on artillery shells because they they are giving them all away to foreign fighters? Holy shit! They are all spreading Russian propaganda or they actually need supplies. Jesus!You know, If you dont know anything about military matters dont comment about it.

This might be hard for you to believe, but the Ukrainians in the Donbass are serious trouble. Its not Russian propaganda.

They are begging the west for ammo because...


The west will give them more ammo.

Doesn't matter how much they have or need, the begging will continue as long as it delivers results.

So, you can say nothing about their need based on their requests. Maybe they're 3 days from catastrophe, maybe they've got warehouses full of it.

 

[holdover]

They are begging the west for ammo because...


The west will give them more ammo.

Doesn't matter how much they have or need, the begging will continue as long as it delivers results.

So, you can say nothing about their need based on their requests. Maybe they're 3 days from catastrophe, maybe they've got warehouses full of it.

The Ukrainians are telling us they are out of artillery and shells. They have no means of manufactureing them,

You should read what the Ukrainians are saying:

Ukrainian troops are currently firing 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, and their stockpiles are running out fast, the intelligence official said. “We have almost used up all of our [artillery] ammunition and are now using 155-caliber NATO standard shells,” he said.
Kiev is also severely outgunned in the Donbass, having almost run out of the Soviet- and Russia-designed artillery pieces it had at the start of Moscow’s military operation, according to Skibitsky. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces,” he pointed out.
“Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us,” the intelligence official said. “Our Western partners have given us about 10% of what they have.”

They are out numbered and they are out of shells. they burn up around 5000 rounds a day. I believe what your insinuating is that it may be just a ruse to obtain more ammo and equipment. If they were winning the war, I could /would say thats possible. But the whole front in the east is nearly ready to collapse. Thats based on the situation reports of the Ukrainians and Russians. The Ukrainian soldiers themselves are also complaining about the lack of supplies . They are also low in aircraft and armor .

The situation on the ground right now for Ukraine is dire. They are even telling us the same. The soldiers and politicians are telling us that, the map and the situation are telling us that. They are screaming for help.

But lets not take my word on it . lets see how things pan out in the next week or two.

Earlier in the thread I said, Ukrainians are low on aircraft. I was correct. I said they were low on armor I was right , I said the they could not sustain offensive operations, I was right. I said the Russians cannot make a contested river crossing and would have to attack from the North and the south toward the center. I was right. I said the Ukrainians will lose in Mariupol I was right. I said the by pulling back troops from Kiev and moving them to the east they shortened their own supply lines and extended the Ukrainian supply lines , I was right . I said the US M777's would not be enough to turn the tide, I was right.

And Im telling you now, they are on a verge of catastrophe in the Donbass. If the Russians secure a way over the Donetsk and take the Donbass, its going to be real bad for Ukraine. Severdonesk is the last city in the Donbass. they are about to lose it. the Ukrainians in the city are cut off from supply's and reinforcements, this is a replete of Mariupol. Only they wont last as long. 2 weeks ago they were begging Kiev to pull back to Lushenk while they still could. Now they cant. they are trapped there and thier fate is sealed.

The Ukrainians are correct in saying the only way to stop the Russian advance is to interdict their supply routes in Russia . the only way they can do it on a large scale is with long range artillery which the US wont give them . So the situation is this: The Russians have and can interdict and stop supplies of the Ukrainian army ,the Ukrainian army cannot do the same to the Russians because they dont have the means to do it. Meanwhile the Russian 20-1 advantage in artillery is pounding everything in reach and the Ukrainians cannot stop it. The72 M777's are scattered on a front of over 1 thousand miles from North to south, with major citys like kiev and Karkov Dnipro taking thier cut , and some have already been destroyed.

Im telling you, Ukraine is in a bad situation right now. There is no more maneuver warfare for Ukraine, because they have lost the ability. What they are doing is simply digging in and fighting. That's all they have left. and they are low on supply's. The writing is on the wall, if you cant read it , I can only tell you.

 

[Mosinitis]

Ukrainian government will say anything to milk the West for money and arms, but that doesn't mean they ALWAYS have to lie. They are losing the war, while being totally mobilized. Russia is not even calling it a war, it's a military operation with only partial use of Russian Federation forces.
Donbas was heavily fortified by Ukrainian military during 8 years of conflict. This is why the progress there is slow. Russia needs time to secure and clean up the territory it is recapturing, so slow progress does have a benefit.

There is an old Russian saying. The slower the ride, the further it will get you.

 

[livingston]

They are begging the west for ammo because...


The west will give them more ammo.

Doesn't matter how much they have or need, the begging will continue as long as it delivers results.

So, you can say nothing about their need based on their requests. Maybe they're 3 days from catastrophe, maybe they've got warehouses full of it.

Ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects dim on the battlefield​

Ukraine has now almost completely run out of ammunition for the Soviet-era weapons systems that were the mainstay of its arsenal, and the Eastern European countries that maintained the same systems have run out of surplus supplies to donate, Danylyuk said. Ukraine urgently needs to shift to longer-range and more sophisticated Western systems, but those have only recently been committed, and in insufficient quantities to match Russia’s immense firepower, he said.

Russia is firing as many as 50,000 artillery rounds a day into Ukrainian positions, and the Ukrainians can hit back with only around 5,000 to 6,000 rounds a day, he said. The United States has committed to deliver 220,000 rounds of ammunition — enough to match Russian firepower for around four days.

Ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects dim on the battlefield

The euphoria that accompanied Ukraine’s unforeseen early victories against bumbling Russian troops is fading as Moscow adapts its tactics, recovers its stride and asserts its overwhelming firepower against heavily outgunned Ukrainian forces.

www.stripes.com

 

[spat]

The Ukrainians are telling us they are out of artillery and shells. They have no means of manufactureing them,

You should read what the Ukrainians are saying:

Ukrainian troops are currently firing 5,000 to 6,000 artillery rounds a day, and their stockpiles are running out fast, the intelligence official said. “We have almost used up all of our [artillery] ammunition and are now using 155-caliber NATO standard shells,” he said.
Kiev is also severely outgunned in the Donbass, having almost run out of the Soviet- and Russia-designed artillery pieces it had at the start of Moscow’s military operation, according to Skibitsky. “Ukraine has one artillery piece to 10 to 15 Russian artillery pieces,” he pointed out.
“Everything now depends on what [the West] gives us,” the intelligence official said. “Our Western partners have given us about 10% of what they have.”

They are out numbered and they are out of shells. they burn up around 5000 rounds a day. I believe what your insinuating is that it may be just a ruse to obtain more ammo and equipment. If they were winning the war, I could /would say thats possible. But the whole front in the east is nearly ready to collapse. Thats based on the situation reports of the Ukrainians and Russians. The Ukrainian soldiers themselves are also complaining about the lack of supplies . They are also low in aircraft and armor .

The situation on the ground right now for Ukraine is dire. They are even telling us the same. The soldiers and politicians are telling us that, the map and the situation are telling us that. They are screaming for help.

But lets not take my word on it . lets see how things pan out in the next week or two.

Earlier in the thread I said, Ukrainians are low on aircraft. I was correct. I said they were low on armor I was right , I said the they could not sustain offensive operations, I was right. I said the Russians cannot make a contested river crossing and would have to attack from the North and the south toward the center. I was right. I said the Ukrainians will lose in Mariupol I was right. I said the by pulling back troops from Kiev and moving them to the east they shortened their own supply lines and extended the Ukrainian supply lines , I was right . I said the US M777's would not be enough to turn the tide, I was right.

And Im telling you now, they are on a verge of catastrophe in the Donbass. If the Russians secure a way over the Donetsk and take the Donbass, its going to be real bad for Ukraine. Severdonesk is the last city in the Donbass. they are about to lose it. the Ukrainians in the city are cut off from supply's and reinforcements, this is a replete of Mariupol. Only they wont last as long. 2 weeks ago they were begging Kiev to pull back to Lushenk while they still could. Now they cant. they are trapped there and thier fate is sealed.

The Ukrainians are correct in saying the only way to stop the Russian advance is to interdict their supply routes in Russia . the only way they can do it on a large scale is with long range artillery which the US wont give them . So the situation is this: The Russians have and can interdict and stop supplies of the Ukrainian army ,the Ukrainian army cannot do the same to the Russians because they dont have the means to do it. Meanwhile the Russian 20-1 advantage in artillery is pounding everything in reach and the Ukrainians cannot stop it. The72 M777's are scattered on a front of over 1 thousand miles from North to south, with major citys like kiev and Karkov Dnipro taking thier cut , and some have already been destroyed.

Im telling you, Ukraine is in a bad situation right now. There is no more maneuver warfare for Ukraine, because they have lost the ability. What they are doing is simply digging in and fighting. That's all they have left. and they are low on supply's. The writing is on the wall, if you cant read it , I can only tell you.

By all rights they should have been overrun in March..

If I had told you then that they would still be holding the Russians off in June you would have called be crazy.

It's a war of attrition now, if 5000 rnds per day can hold off the Russians firing 10x that many, that bodes well for Ukraine.

Russia is using all that artillery because they seem to have run out of missiles.

Ukraine could very well beat the Russians the same way the Afghanis did.

Russia may very well end up taking control of the entire Ukrainian territory, but it's already going to be a phyrric victory. The longer this drags on the worse it gets.

Russia lost their standing as a global power months ago, they are barely a regional power now. Even if Putin is dining I'm Kiev next weekend they are still fucked.


So, add up where Russia was a year ago, and what the *best case* scenario for them is now and it's still a catastrophe for them.


"OH, but they didn't want NATO on their border, wah wah". Well, they're going to have sacrificed all this and *still* end up with NATO on their border as soon as someone figures out what it is Erdogan wants for his cooperation.

 

[Celt]

Pentagon Admits Supporting 46 Biolabs in Ukraine

The US Department of Defense acknowledged in a press release that the United States has endeavored to "improve Ukraine's security and disease surveillance for both human and animal health" by providing support to 46 biological laboratories and "health and disease diagnosis sites” over the last...

orinocotribune.com

Gee, I guess the fact checkers were wrong... AGAIN! If they were truly using them to rid the world of bioweapons why lie about them up until now?

They needed this much time the hide the evidence against them.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

They are begging the west for ammo because...


The west will give them more ammo.

Doesn't matter how much they have or need, the begging will continue as long as it delivers results.

So, you can say nothing about their need based on their requests. Maybe they're 3 days from catastrophe, maybe they've got warehouses full of it.

Just hit Ctrl+p over at the treasury what's another 60 Billion

 

[Defilade]

Pentagon Admits Supporting 46 Biolabs in Ukraine

The US Department of Defense acknowledged in a press release that the United States has endeavored to "improve Ukraine's security and disease surveillance for both human and animal health" by providing support to 46 biological laboratories and "health and disease diagnosis sites” over the last...

orinocotribune.com

Gee, I guess the fact checkers were wrong... AGAIN! If they were truly using them to rid the world of bioweapons why lie about them up until now?

Wouldn't this be a full stop for Ukraine supporters?? Between this and all our Politicians illegal interests there you might want to open your fucking eyes. What are you supporting??

 

[holdover]

Ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects dim on the battlefield​

Ukraine has now almost completely run out of ammunition for the Soviet-era weapons systems that were the mainstay of its arsenal, and the Eastern European countries that maintained the same systems have run out of surplus supplies to donate, Danylyuk said. Ukraine urgently needs to shift to longer-range and more sophisticated Western systems, but those have only recently been committed, and in insufficient quantities to match Russia’s immense firepower, he said.

Russia is firing as many as 50,000 artillery rounds a day into Ukrainian positions, and the Ukrainians can hit back with only around 5,000 to 6,000 rounds a day, he said. The United States has committed to deliver 220,000 rounds of ammunition — enough to match Russian firepower for around four days.

Ukraine is running out of ammunition as prospects dim on the battlefield

The euphoria that accompanied Ukraine’s unforeseen early victories against bumbling Russian troops is fading as Moscow adapts its tactics, recovers its stride and asserts its overwhelming firepower against heavily outgunned Ukrainian forces.

www.stripes.com

To late. they are past the point of no return .

 

[holdover]

By all rights they should have been overrun in March..

If I had told you then that they would still be holding the Russians off in June you would have called be crazy.

Yep, My guess was 1-3 weeks and its over. got that one wrong.

It's a war of attrition now, if 5000 rnds per day can hold off the Russians firing 10x that many, that bodes well for Ukraine.

Russia is using all that artillery because they seem to have run out of missiles.

Its not that clear cut . #1 The Russians fucked up massively in the first part of the war #2 they are going against heavily dug in troops in the donbass. Its a modern day Maginot line. concrete bunkers tunnels trenches supported by interlocking machine gun nests , mortars , heavy artillery , land mines , antitank missiles not one line, but multiple lines and good use of the terrain .its a real nightmare. then theres the Donesk river which cannot be crossed until all Ukrainian artillery has been neutralized in the crossing area. thats one of the reasons they are short of artillery , Its a priority target that has to be neutralized in order to cross the river in that area.

Granted they dont have the missile capacity of the US, and they are useing them on strategic targets, such as bridges , the ports in Odessa warehouses of ammo, head quarters rail road junctions , and they used them to good use. again they have to be a little more conservative than the US ,they are not going to waste them on bunkers . they want to get the most bang for the buck obviously.

Ukraine could very well beat the Russians the same way the Afghanis did.

I disagree with you, Mostly because by the time this is over Most of , or a good part of the fighting men will have been lost in the conflict . Or they may just have had enough fighting. Im sure there will be some resistance But not enough to change things , and the Russians are going to be brutal in rooting out insurgents .

Russia may very well end up taking control of the entire Ukrainian territory, but it's already going to be a phyrric victory.

I agree with you there.

Russia lost their standing as a global power months ago, they are barely a regional power now. Even if Putin is dining I'm Kiev next weekend they are still fucked.

Well, this isnt over yet. Russia controlling the Ukraine in spite of NATO , Russia controlling the wheat fields , Russia controling the gas lines in Ukraine , Russian troops on the border of Poland . They will be the most powerfull and dominant country in Europe. Not as much globally but not out of the game .

So, add up where Russia was a year ago, and what the *best case* scenario for them is now and it's still a catastrophe for them.

Nope.


Understand something, Ever since the Napoleonic wars , Russia has always ,always, always, stressed the importance of artillery . They learned this at the hands of Napoleon, The lesson wasn't lost on them, and they broke the back of best units in the third Reich with it. They have always been hard core believers in it. they have it at every level in the Russian Army , Ours is mostly divisional , in any case, they massively out gun the Ukraine in artillery . Napoleon once said, ( Bonaparte, not Dynamite) ""God is on the side with the better artillery"" Barring an unforseen even event like NATO joining in or nukes or something, the Ukrainians simply cannot win. they cannot stop the armys from coming west . Its all over but the crying. Zelensky is throwing away the lives of his people for nothing.

 

[Defilade]

As the Deep State continues to be backed further in the corner with every topic and every lie they need to continue steeling headlines. Yeah, Nukes will fly eventually. The Truth is exposing them like never before. Lies with the Election, Laptop, Covid, Russia, Russia, Russia, Ukraine, Shootings, Inflation, Gas. The list of distraction goes on and on and on as they try to cover their tracks.

 

[holdover]

Could be. I can see them not excepting a Russian victory. that changes everything in Europe.

 

[Defilade]

 

[tirwin1]

How would you like this job?

Russian leader's bodyguards 'collect his excrement on foreign trips'

Russian president Vladimir Putin has his bodyguards collect his excrement while on foreign trips in a bid to stop people gathering information about his health, according to a new report.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I remember reading the cia had plans to collect and analyze krushcev 's shit when he came to the US back in the 1950's. Guess Putin must be embarrassed by his corn tracers.

 

[Acer-m14]

how come none of this on the MSN 24x7

 

[Acer-m14]

but i get this BS .. no helmets .. no hearing protecting .. LOL ..

 

[spat]

How would you like this job?

Russian leader's bodyguards 'collect his excrement on foreign trips'

Russian president Vladimir Putin has his bodyguards collect his excrement while on foreign trips in a bid to stop people gathering information about his health, according to a new report.

www.dailymail.co.uk

I remember reading the cia had plans to collect and analyze krushcev 's shit when he came to the US back in the 1950's. Guess Putin must be embarrassed by his corn tracers.

When I was a kid I had to do that for our horses, and I didn't even get paid...