Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

BREAKING: Zelenskyy makes startling announcement | Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country's security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of c

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country's security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of criminal proceedings into treason and collaboration by people within their departments, John Huddy...

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Will Zelensky wear his leather?

How in the fuck did you post this on March 28th?? When it didnt happen until July ?? (Page 125 of this thread.)

Posted on July 18, 2022 ,Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country’s security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of criminal proceedings into treason and collaboration by people within their departments, John Huddy reported from Ukraine.

 

[spat]

Jul 21, 2022 Update on Russia Operations in Ukraine for July 21, 2022 -
Pentagon admits Ukrainian troops are not stopping Russia’s advance;
- Pentagon admits HIMARS cannot “win” a war on their own;
- US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself;
- Media and US officials float idea of training Ukrainian pilots to fly Western warplanes;
- US claims Russia’s advances are slow and incremental, omitting that Donbass is the most heavily fortified region of Ukraine and yet Russia continues to advance; References: US Department of Defense - Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Mark A. Milley Hold a Press Conference (July 20, 2022): https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...

The thing is it's not a level playing field.

Ukraine is in a fight for their very existence.

I'm not even sure what Russia is fighting for, a bunch of wheat fields ? I don't think their soldiers know either.


So, the victory conditions are drastically different.

For Russia to win, they need to utterly destroy the Ukranian ability to resist the invasion, and that's a hard task to accomplish.

For Ukraine to win they just need to make the endeavor more expensive than the Russians are willing to commit to.

That's much easier.

The Taliban defeated 80s Era Soviet Russia under those conditions, with far less resources than Ukraine is getting now. They defeated us too.

The Viet Cong did the same thing to us.

So, if a bunch of goat herders with AKs can defeat the two largest superpowers that have ever existed under those victory conditions, I think Ukraine has a pretty good chance.

 

[prambo]

Jul 21, 2022 Update on Russia Operations in Ukraine for July 21, 2022 -
Pentagon admits Ukrainian troops are not stopping Russia’s advance;
- Pentagon admits HIMARS cannot “win” a war on their own;
- US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself;
- Media and US officials float idea of training Ukrainian pilots to fly Western warplanes;
- US claims Russia’s advances are slow and incremental, omitting that Donbass is the most heavily fortified region of Ukraine and yet Russia continues to advance; References: US Department of Defense - Secretary of Defense Lloyd J. Austin III and Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Army General Mark A. Milley Hold a Press Conference (July 20, 2022): https://www.defense.gov/News/Transcri...

Regardless of what Milley Vanilly says...it's a fucking lie.

 

[holdover]

The thing is it's not a level playing field.

Ukraine is in a fight for their very existence.

I'm not even sure what Russia is fighting for, a bunch of wheat fields ? I don't think their soldiers know either.


So, the victory conditions are drastically different.

For Russia to win, they need to utterly destroy the Ukranian ability to resist the invasion, and that's a hard task to accomplish.

For Ukraine to win they just need to make the endeavor more expensive than the Russians are willing to commit to.

That's much easier.

The Taliban defeated 80s Era Soviet Russia under those conditions, with far less resources than Ukraine is getting now. They defeated us too.

The Viet Cong did the same thing to us.

So, if a bunch of goat herders with AKs can defeat the two largest superpowers that have ever existed under those victory conditions, I think Ukraine has a pretty good chance.

Stick to the facts addressed. We can go back and forth all night speculating,

I said the exact same things weeks ago.


Holdover admits Ukrainian troops are not stopping Russia’s advance;
- Holdover admits HIMARS cannot “win” a war on their own;
- Holdover says, US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself;

Holdover says that Donbass is the most heavily fortified region of Ukraine and yet Russia continues to advance;

If they cant stop them there with all the aide they have recieved so far then they cannot stop the russians Period.

 

[prambo]

All of a sudden, Ukraine being a totally corrupt state is "a thing".

And we gave away the military equipment "farm" to those grifters, after letting the Taliban keep another metric shit-ton of abandoned equipment.

Wonder if there's even anything left for our own military...but, frankly, if they have their high heels, filled COVID shot card and are "trans" I guess they're ready to go into battle.

Also wonder when it's going to be used against fUSA citizens, right here in "The Homeland".

The fUSA is fucking joke - it's embarrassing.

Deep State Media Outlet NPR: "Questions Have Resurfaced" About Ukraine's Corruption

Subtle as a Brick Through a Window, U.S. Media Starts Reshaping Corrupt Ukraine Narrative - The Last Refuge

 

[holdover]

For Russia to win, they need to utterly destroy the Ukranian ability to resist the invasion, and that's a hard task to accomplish.

They already accomplished this, They cannot manufacture weapons ammo ,they are forced to reley on help from the west. the US has been picking up the bill for the entire Ukraine government. Ukrainian offcials and goverment workers are being paid by US tax dollars .
(US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself

And your supporting this shit.

For Ukraine to win they just need to make the endeavor more expensive than the Russians are willing to commit to.

Looks good on Paper, This seems to be the thinking in the west . The Russian economy at the start of the war was much smaller than the old soviet one. However, The arms being used by the Russians were paid for years ago. This isnt going to work out Like they thought. the Russians were planning stock pileing for the 3rd wold war, they have plenty of arms to continue the fight. The West miscalulated.

If anybody is bleeding Money its the west, just how long are they going to support this war? Our own stockpiles are being diminished with the threat of a war in Taiwan. Billions a month and what do we have to show for it? Ukraine has lost 30% of its territory .

wheres the payout? what do we get ? A fucking bill?

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Hear me out....

I openly acknowledge I look at the world differently than most do.

Here is my "gee I wonder...." Thought of the day.


In observing American politics the past week has been horrible for the leftists in control of our shadow government. Their puppet presidente has had multiple massive gaffes this week and to save him from himself they're going to "quarantine " him in his basement. And then there's hunters laptop. Ahh yes.. the story that won't go away is getting as much attention as ever, and yet, the controllers are having a harder time discrediting it and making it uo away. There are even rumors that "the big guy " might make some cameo's in hunters media....

Uh oh.

Our economy is shit. People are pissed and waking up.

What does this mean? It means those who are really truly in power are at risk of losing it. They know the Biden family are a bunch of tools who serve a purpose but are also liabilities. They keep screwing up and attracting more and more negative attention. Those in power are going to have to do something to not lose it. People (even some dems or independents who voted for Biden are wtf?). So the string pullers need to do something to distract everyone and divert our attention and maintain power.

How might they do that?


Oh.... I dunno.... Get us into a war or conflict.



Through history what do they do every time?
When all else fails they take us to war. It's their tried and true playbook.

But IMO here's where it gets dicey. They will want us to unite and stop fighting at each other and them. How can they get us to focus on a external force? Provoke that external force to do something to us first so we are outraged and have to unite and retaliate. Then the country stops being pissed at the economy and our dementia addled president and we hate : insert country here: instead.

IMO I am starting to think they're going to get us into ww3 somehow. China, Taiwan, NK, Israel, Iran, Russia, Ukraine.... Shit I don't know I'm just speculating.


Here's what I think our government will do next. Look for news stories in the next week or 2 about shipping longer range HIMARS rockets and about the US being willing to supply Ukraine with American fighter jets, train their pilots and maintenance crews. That's when you'll know my tinfoil hat hypothesis is right.

 

[spat]

Stick to the facts addressed. We can go back and forth all night speculating,

I said the exact same things weeks ago.


Holdover admits Ukrainian troops are not stopping Russia’s advance;
- Holdover admits HIMARS cannot “win” a war on their own;
- Holdover says, US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself;

Holdover says that Donbass is the most heavily fortified region of Ukraine and yet Russia continues to advance;

If they cant stop them there with all the aide they have recieved so far then they cannot stop the russians Period.

They don't need to stop them. They just need to keep them bleeding.

We held every square inch of Afghanistan for 2 decades. The Taliban still won.

 

[spat]

They already accomplished this, They cannot manufacture weapons ammo ,they are forced to reley on help from the west. the US has been picking up the bill for the entire Ukraine government. Ukrainian offcials and goverment workers are being paid by US tax dollars .
(US allies are repairing Ukrainian equipment Ukraine is not capable of repairing itself

And your supporting this shit.


Looks good on Paper, This seems to be the thinking in the west . The Russian economy at the start of the war was much smaller than the old soviet one. However, The arms being used by the Russians were paid for years ago. This isnt going to work out Like they thought. the Russians were planning stock pileing for the 3rd wold war, they have plenty of arms to continue the fight. The West miscalulated.

If anybody is bleeding Money its the west, just how long are they going to support this war? Our own stockpiles are being diminished with the threat of a war in Taiwan. Billions a month and what do we have to show for it? Ukraine has lost 30% of its territory .

wheres the payout? what do we get ? A fucking bill?

What we get is our enemies bleeding dry.

That's it.

That's why we should support Taiwain too.

Which would you rather do, send US troops to fight China and Russia, many of whom would die in the process ?

Or ship a bunch of gear we've had sitting on a shelf over there and let the Ukrainians and Taiwanese do the fighting and dying for us ?

That's a no brainer.


The conflict is coming, it is unavoidable. But this strategy may take Russia out of the fight before it even begins.

No matter how much you tout their "success", you must admit they are far weaker than they were 6 months ago.

Russia may take Ukraine, but even if they do, that "victory" will cost them their position as a world power.

The absolute best case for them at this point is a pyhrric victory, and even that isn't assured.

 

[Grimscale]

They will want us to unite and stop fighting at each other and them. How can they get us to focus on a external force? Provoke that external force to do something to us first so we are outraged and have to unite and retaliate.

Except too many people have woken up to their lies and bullshit.
If we get into a war, even if the "enemy" drops a couple skyscrapers, I think this administration better think long and hard on taking a DISTANT vacation from the U.S. People are not likely unite under a bunch of criminals and tyrants again.

 

[holdover]

Which would you rather do, send US troops to fight China and Russia, many of whom would die in the process ?

Id rather we mind our own business and not fight anyone. Russia is not threat to the US as far as invading is concerned especially after their fight in Ukraine.

 

[holdover]

Except too many people have woken up to their lies and bullshit.
If we get into a war, even if the "enemy" drops a couple skyscrapers, I think this administration better think long and hard on taking a DISTANT vacation from the U.S. People are not likely unite under a bunch of criminals and tyrants again.

Let the trannys gays and women fight it . Not my fight.

 

[holdover]

The conflict is coming, it is unavoidable. But this strategy may take Russia out of the fight before it even begins.

No matter how much you tout their "success", you must admit they are far weaker than they were 6 months ago.

For a smart guy, you only seem to see the surface of things, Lets say , Russia takes half or the entire Ukraine. What are they left with? Well for starters they have the most important parts, they have the huge wheatfields, which help feed Europe, they have natural gas , and control of the pipelines to Europe, they have more ports on the Black sea for trade they have a larger population from which to draw recruits, they have battle hardened vets who have delt with Western weapons they have a better military position to engage NATO if they had to , they have all the financial gains of Annexing Ukraine back to Russia.


The conflict is/was very avoidable . All Ukraine had to do was agree to not join NATO like the Minsk agreement they signed said. Thats it. Thats all they had to do. Honor thier treaty.

The west can still avoid a conflict if it chooses to do so. But these power thirsty globalist cant see it. Power is like crack cocaine to them it has total control of thier minds

 

[turbobike]

Escalating into WWIII??

MSN

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Escalating into WWIII??

MSN

Sigh.

I literally was afraid of this exact scenario not 2 hours earlier in my post higher up this page.

Ugh. I really hope this doesn't happen.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Sigh.

I literally was afraid of this exact scenario not 2 hours earlier in my post higher up this page.

Ugh. I really hope this doesn't happen.

Smoke'm if you got'm

 

[Acer-m14]

How in the fuck did you post this on March 28th?? When it didnt happen until July ?? (Page 125 of this thread.)

Posted on July 18, 2022 ,Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country’s security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of criminal proceedings into treason and collaboration by people within their departments, John Huddy reported from Ukraine.

the Doc is a time traveler

 

[Acer-m14]

if Russia takes all of Ukraine .. does Hunter and Joe loose there 10% and dr fauci bio labs are gone ?

 

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BREAKING: Zelenskyy makes startling announcement | Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country's security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of c

Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy made a startling announcement Sunday, saying he had fired the head of the country's security service, the SBU, and its prosecutor general, citing hundreds of criminal proceedings into treason and collaboration by people within their departments, John Huddy...

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Will Zelensky wear his leather?

How in the fuck did you post this on March 28th??

if Russia takes all of Ukraine .. does Hunter and Joe loose there 10% and dr fauci bio labs are gone ?

yes! Thats why its so important!

 

[holdover]

the Doc is a time traveler

Thats what Im thinkin!

Thats weird though.

 

[spat]

Id rather we mind our own business and not fight anyone. Russia is not threat to the US as far as invading is concerned especially after their fight in Ukraine.

Exactly. We aren't fighting anyone, and Russia is not a threat anymore.

The Ukranians have done the fighting for us.

This seems like an excellent outcome from an American perspective.

The rest of Europe is probably letting out a sigh of relief too, especially Poland. "OH, thank God it's not us *again*"


The absolute best way to fight a war is to do it somewhere else and get someone else to do most of the fighting.


I wasn't especially worried about Russia before this. Honestly, I figured our best plan was to get them to be an ally against China. But, that ship has sailed, and we couldn't allow then to slowly assimilate Europe again.

 

[Mosinitis]

Thats what Im thinkin!

Thats weird though.

Doc probably edited one of his earlier posts. The article in his link was written few days ago. The firings in Zelensky government happened right after rocket attack on Vinnitsa. Russians claim they launched this attack during a meeting of Western weaponry suppliers with Ukrainian military officials and killed everyone at this meeting. Ukrainians claim the attack was on officers club which wasn't used by the military. Obviously Russian side of this story makes much more sense coupled with subsequent firing of Ukrainian security chief. Russians are well informed of what is going on in the Ukrainian military, it's very well infiltrated at every level.

 

[holdover]

If we continue along this path, theres a good chance we can find ourselves in a bad way. Total destruction of the US Russia and Europe, thats whats at risk here. Haveing the advantage in a nuclear war doesnt really matter all that much .

I can understand your thought, better there than here better them than us, but it may not pan out all to well . Theres serious risks involved. If Russia takes Ukraine tommorrow, doesnt change my life one bit. Im not calloused against the Ukrainians , I feel bad for them . But I wouldnt risk my whole country and Russia to save them. It might be cold, but its not worth the price.

 

[holdover]

Doc probably edited one of his earlier posts. The article in his link was written few days ago. The firings in Zelensky government happened right after rocket attack on Vinnitsa. Russians claim they launched this attack during a meeting of Western weaponry suppliers with Ukrainian military officials and killed everyone at this meeting. Ukrainians claim the attack was on officers club which wasn't used by the military. Obviously Russian side of this story makes much more sense coupled with subsequent firing of Ukrainian security chief. Russians are well informed of what is going on in the Ukrainian military, it's very well infiltrated at every level.

Hmmmmmm, maybe your right, But I still say Dr evil is a time traveler, probably a reptilian shape shiftier too. I bet thats not even his real name!

 

[spat]

If we continue along this path, theres a good chance we can find ourselves in a bad way. Total destruction of the US Russia and Europe, thats whats at risk here. Haveing the advantage in a nuclear war doesnt really matter all that much .

I can understand your thought, better there than here better them than us, but it may not pan out all to well . Theres serious risks involved. If Russia takes Ukraine tommorrow, doesnt change my life one bit. Im not calloused against the Ukrainians , I feel bad for them . But I wouldnt risk my whole country and Russia to save them. It might be cold, but its not worth the price.

If Russia takes Ukraine tomorrow, you honestly think they're stopping there ?


You have the exact attitude that most Americans had in the 1930's as Germany slowly gobbled up Europe.

We can either stop it now, when it's easy, or wait till later when it's going to be much much harder.


We are the defacto leaders of the world. We need to act like it, or someone will take our place.

That someone will be China. You do not want to live in a world run by China. The nuclear holocaust might be preferable.

 

[holdover]

If Russia takes Ukraine tomorrow, you honestly think they're stopping there ?




We are the defacto leaders of the world. We need to act like it, or someone will take our place.

That someone will be China. You do not want to live in a world run by China. The nuclear holocaust might be preferable.

Yes, 100% certain. Why? because they cant beat NATO and it would cause a nuclear war.

The only reason China will be leaders of the new world is because politicians sold this country out . They allowed corporations to exploit communist labor for profits at the expense of the American people. It was a national security issue and these fucking politicians sold us out.

Unfortunately because of that, We can no longer be . They sold our economy to China.

 

[Defilade]

HOLYY SHITTTTT

DNC funded Biolabs in Ukraine are finally starting to creep thier way into Russian State sponsored media, RT, here in America.

Now according to Russian MIL, the Biolabs are connected to NUCLEAR weapons?!

Keep in mind the Biden admin BANNED RT news at the beginning of the war. If you try to click on RT's Telegram page, you will see a "This channel can't be displayed because it violated local laws".

The "local laws" being they are talking about the massive secret the global deep state are so desperately clinging onto.

This is why. Biolabs. Biden. Soros. All of it is coming to light.

This is a POWERFUL normie waking tool. Normies see a well-articulated man in a suit on the TV, they tend to believe him.

WATCH THIS!

View attachment VID_20220722_020042_307.mp4

 

[tirwin1]

The conflict is/was very avoidable . All Ukraine had to do was agree to not join NATO like the Minsk agreement they signed said. Thats it. Thats all they had to do. Honor thier treaty.

The west can still avoid a conflict if it chooses to do so. But these power thirsty globalist cant see it. Power is like crack cocaine to them it has total control of thier minds

At least one person I know predicted the russian invasion of ukraine years ago. So in his opinion the conflict was unavoidable. Ukraine joining NATO is just the excuse the russians are using to justify their action. They would have found some other reason for invading.

The russian invasion is a strategic move to shorten their border with the west and (in their minds) is necessary because in a few short years they won't have enough troops to defend their current borders. (Their demographics are very bad with more deaths than births each year). The bad news is the russians won't stop at Ukraine - Poland and the baltic nations are also at risk.

 

[Mosinitis]

Even our media has to admit Ukrainian goose is cooked. We are pissing away billions of dollars on a lost cause.

'The closest thing I've seen to hell': U.S. veterans fighting in Ukraine describe heavy losses against Russia - AOL

After initial successes that boosted morale among the Ukrainian ranks, the bloodiest European conflict since WWII is taking its toll among foreign fighters.

www.aol.com

 

[holdover]

At least one person I know predicted the russian invasion of ukraine years ago. So in his opinion the conflict was unavoidable. Ukraine joining NATO is just the excuse the russians are using to justify their action. They would have found some other reason for invading.

The russian invasion is a strategic move to shorten their border with the west and (in their minds) is necessary because in a few short years they won't have enough troops to defend their current borders. (Their demographics are very bad with more deaths than births each year). The bad news is the russians won't stop at Ukraine - Poland and the baltic nations are also at risk.

The Russians have said for years that NATO in Ukraine is a red line that would cause them to invade, Now coincidentally, they ask to join NATO and Russia invades? Really? Cant buy that.