spat
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Ukraine is a sovereign nation.
It is as much Russian territory as Canada belongs to the US.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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It is as much Russian territory as Canada belongs to the US.
Being different colonies is not the same as being one country and which Canadian territory was given to it by the United States?
spat
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OK, so then both Canada and the US belong to the queen in the UK then ?
Just because you once had claim to a territory doesn't mean you get to keep it forever.
If that was the case, the UK could claim most of the world.
Colony of a country is not that country. India wasn't Great Britain.
Saw NK is offering 100,000 troops
China might be offering troops too.
Every soon to be ww3 participant nation is using Ukraine as a testing ground as a real life battle lab.
It's essentially becoming what the Spanish civil war was prior to ww2.
China might be offering troops too.
Every soon to be ww3 participant nation is using Ukraine as a testing ground as a real life battle lab.
It's essentially becoming what the Spanish civil war was prior to ww2.
MothMan
.338 Win Mag
Chyna is offering troops. They are coming from North Korea. 
Steal2B
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China is sending troops to participate in war games with Russia and Iran .... in Venezuela.
Iran, Russia, China To Run War Drills in Latin America
Iran, Russia, and China are gearing up to run a series of major war drills in Latin America in a show of force meant to signal how these militaries can reach the United States.
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Fuck Joe Biden and his open Southern Border horseshit. Maybe the "newly well armed" just "doubled in size by the democrats" IRS will protect our nation's sovereignty from a southern invasion.
China is sending troops to participate in war games with Russia and Iran .... in Venezuela.
Iran, Russia, China To Run War Drills in Latin America
Iran, Russia, and China are gearing up to run a series of major war drills in Latin America in a show of force meant to signal how these militaries can reach the United States.
Fuck Joe Biden and his open Southern Border horseshit.
When a country acts like an arrogant control freak of the world, sooner or later others gang up against it.
spat
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Britain owned India longer than Russia owned Ukraine.
But that's not even the right metric.
Legitimate government authority comes from the consent of the governed. Does the average Ukranianian *want* to be Russian ? Of course not. That means Russia has no legitimate business there.
Russia didn't OWN Ukraine. Ukraine reunited with Russia in 1653 by its own free will. At the time it had only 15% of the territory it left with Soviet Union. People in Crimea are very happy with their return to Russia. People in Donbass and even Cherson applying for Russian citizenship in mass numbers.
spat
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Maybe Poland should kick the Russians out and keep it for themselves. They used to own that land too.
Poles and Ukrainians never got along, which was the reason for reunification with Russia.
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Well, Ukrainians are getting along a lot better with the Poles than the Russians these days LOL.
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Kim has a great plane . .. the 100,000 are prisoners in NK .. he is just cleaning out the jails to make room for new prisoners
Even as far back as 2017 there were reports that people in Eastern Ukraine wanted to join Russia.
spat
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There are people here who would like to join Russia, but it is far from a majority.
1341
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Yet here we are, 6 months into a invasion, that some of said would be over in....3 days, 2 weeks, the end of March or insert any date after that.
Yes, but in Eastern Ukraine it was reported that 49% of the population did. Who knows what the percentage was just before the Russian invasion.
The Donbas region is where it's interesting. A good portion of the population has Russian ethnic ancestry and family ties and speaks Russian. That is the 1 region of Ukraine where it makes sense that they genuinely not propoganda want to be a part of Russia
holdover
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Correction, 2014. Thats when the breakaway regions did not accept the legitimacy of the new elections which put zelenski in power. They claimed The elections were not valid. Hence the conflict in those regions as Ukraine tried to regain control . for 8 years there was fighting going on in the region.
holdover
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Yup, I was pretty dammed surprised. I thought 2 weeks at the most.
holdover
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looks like Forbes read my article.
www.forbes.com
It Seems Ukraine Is Struggling To Form Tank Brigades
The Ukrainian army’s tank brigades are spread thin. That could help to explain why the army’s highly-anticipated counteroffensive in southern Ukraine hasn’t yet picked up much momentum.
www.forbes.com
holdover
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The Ukraine strikes back.
Serious strikes against ammo depots , air strips. in Crimea Belograd.
Update(1617ET): There are breaking unconfirmed reports that another Russian airfield near Crimea's Sevastopol naval base is under attack. According to Reuters Belbek air base may have come under attack:
Reported events tonight: • Explosions at munitions depot, Timonovo, Belgorod • Fire/explosions at Stary Oskol Airfield, Belgorod • Explosions in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson • Explosions/UAV shot down near Belbek airport, Crimea • Air defence activity near Kerch strait, Crimea
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I have to say, it looks like the Russian offensive is stalling out. I mean, they're still making some headway, but If they cant keep thier ammo supplies moving freely , its going to be a problem . They will probably be able to secure the last few citys in the Donbass, but the rapid drive to Dnipro might not happen it the supplys are short. They are having supply problems in Kershon and now they have this nuclear plant being shelled by ukraine which could bring NATO or UN into the war . I would think that The Russians would be forced to disperse thier ammo supplies throughout an area instead of warehouseing them in central locations . I dont know, Lets see what happens at the UN meeting tommorrow. Could be a turning point in the war.
Serious strikes against ammo depots , air strips. in Crimea Belograd.
Update(1617ET): There are breaking unconfirmed reports that another Russian airfield near Crimea's Sevastopol naval base is under attack. According to Reuters Belbek air base may have come under attack:
Reported events tonight: • Explosions at munitions depot, Timonovo, Belgorod • Fire/explosions at Stary Oskol Airfield, Belgorod • Explosions in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson • Explosions/UAV shot down near Belbek airport, Crimea • Air defence activity near Kerch strait, Crimea
4:10 PM · Aug 18, 2022·Twitter Web App
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I have to say, it looks like the Russian offensive is stalling out. I mean, they're still making some headway, but If they cant keep thier ammo supplies moving freely , its going to be a problem . They will probably be able to secure the last few citys in the Donbass, but the rapid drive to Dnipro might not happen it the supplys are short. They are having supply problems in Kershon and now they have this nuclear plant being shelled by ukraine which could bring NATO or UN into the war . I would think that The Russians would be forced to disperse thier ammo supplies throughout an area instead of warehouseing them in central locations . I dont know, Lets see what happens at the UN meeting tommorrow. Could be a turning point in the war.
The Ukraine strikes back.
Serious strikes against ammo depots , air strips. in Crimea Belograd.
Update(1617ET): There are breaking unconfirmed reports that another Russian airfield near Crimea's Sevastopol naval base is under attack. According to Reuters Belbek air base may have come under attack:
Reported events tonight: • Explosions at munitions depot, Timonovo, Belgorod • Fire/explosions at Stary Oskol Airfield, Belgorod • Explosions in Nova Kakhovka, Kherson • Explosions/UAV shot down near Belbek airport, Crimea • Air defence activity near Kerch strait, Crimea
4:10 PM · Aug 18, 2022·Twitter Web App
ZeroHedge
ZeroHedge - On a long enough timeline, the survival rate for everyone drops to zero
I have to say, it looks like the Russian offensive is stalling out. I mean, they're still making some headway, but If they cant keep thier ammo supplies moving freely , its going to be a problem . They will probably be able to secure the last few citys in the Donbass, but the rapid drive to Dnipro might not happen it the supplys are short. They are having supply problems in Kershon and now they have this nuclear plant being shelled by ukraine which could bring NATO or UN into the war . I would think that The Russians would be forced to disperse thier ammo supplies throughout an area instead of warehouseing them in central locations . I dont know, Lets see what happens at the UN meeting tommorrow. Could be a turning point in the war.
They will simply adopt similar tactics against supply lines from Eastern Europe on both sides of the border to mirror what NATO is doing to them.
holdover
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Unconfirmed reports Druzhba oil line attacked.
EVEN THOUGH RUSSIA AND UKRAINE HAVE BEEN AT WAR, RUSSIA HAS CONTINUED TO SUPPLY OIL THROUGH THE DRUZHBA PIPELINE AND HAS PAID UKRAINE IN TRANIST FEES. UKRAINE IS REJECTING PAYMENT AND THE LINE IS SHUT DOWN. OIL CONTINUES TO FLOW THROUGH THE NORTHERN BRANCH.
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The Druzhba pipeline (Russian: нефтепровод «Дружба»; also has been referred to as the Friendship Pipeline and the Comecon Pipeline) is the world's longest oil pipeline and one of the biggest oil pipeline networks in the world. It carries oil some 4,000 kilometres (2,500 mi) from the eastern part of European Russia to points in Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Austria and Germany.[1] The network also branches out into numerous pipelines to deliver its product throughout Eastern Europe and beyond.
The name "Druzhba" means "friendship", alluding to the fact that the pipeline supplied oil to the energy-hungry western regions of the Soviet Union, to its "fraternal socialist allies" in the former Soviet bloc, and to western Europe. Today, it is the largest principal artery for the transportation of Russian (and Kazakh) oil across Europe.
EVEN THOUGH RUSSIA AND UKRAINE HAVE BEEN AT WAR, RUSSIA HAS CONTINUED TO SUPPLY OIL THROUGH THE DRUZHBA PIPELINE AND HAS PAID UKRAINE IN TRANIST FEES. UKRAINE IS REJECTING PAYMENT AND THE LINE IS SHUT DOWN. OIL CONTINUES TO FLOW THROUGH THE NORTHERN BRANCH.
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The Druzhba pipeline (Russian: нефтепровод «Дружба»; also has been referred to as the Friendship Pipeline and the Comecon Pipeline) is the world's longest oil pipeline and one of the biggest oil pipeline networks in the world. It carries oil some 4,000 kilometres (2,500 mi) from the eastern part of European Russia to points in Ukraine, Belarus, Poland, Hungary, Slovakia, the Czech Republic, Austria and Germany.[1] The network also branches out into numerous pipelines to deliver its product throughout Eastern Europe and beyond.
The name "Druzhba" means "friendship", alluding to the fact that the pipeline supplied oil to the energy-hungry western regions of the Soviet Union, to its "fraternal socialist allies" in the former Soviet bloc, and to western Europe. Today, it is the largest principal artery for the transportation of Russian (and Kazakh) oil across Europe.
holdover
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I think the Russians pretty much accomplished this already. I think tommorrow may see some strikes on Kiev for being a smart ass.
Russia is a huge country with huge territory, it can withstand subotage warfare better than their neighbors in the West. It doesn't always involve explosions.
Islamic terrorism that took thousands of lives around the globe and came back to this country was a gift to the world from the CIA. To this day not a single person was held accountable.
This new more humane terrorism against Russian infrastructure, which is orchestrated mainly by U.S. and British governments will backfire in a big way. Europe will not be happy for being sucked in to mayhem orchestrated by evil doers in Washington and London. It's already a strain on NATO alliance and will lead to its break up.
This new more humane terrorism against Russian infrastructure, which is orchestrated mainly by U.S. and British governments will backfire in a big way. Europe will not be happy for being sucked in to mayhem orchestrated by evil doers in Washington and London. It's already a strain on NATO alliance and will lead to its break up.
1341
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Didn't 2 more European countries just join....NATO