Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

More damage to bridge after pretty girl.




Ukraine is rubbing Putins nose in shit , Its his birthday, check this out.

• Putin was born on 7 October 1952 in Leningrad, Soviet Union (now Saint Petersburg, Russia), [22] [23] the youngest of three children of Vladimir Spiridonovich Putin (1911–1999) and Maria Ivanovna Putina ( née Shelomova; 1911–1998). His grandfather, Spiridon Putin, was a personal cook to Vladimir Lenin and Joseph Stalin.

I would expect an attack against Kiev shortly.


Rail yards at Ilovaisk 40 miles from front lines in Donbass have been hit hard.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Russia is going to lose their shit over that bridge being hit. This might be the provocation they were waiting for

 

[1341]

Russia is going to lose their shit over that bridge being hit. This might be the provocation they were waiting for

Provocation for what?

 

[holdover]

Im thinking a missile strike on Kiev and power plants communication centers, something like that.

It was a personal slap in the face to Putin, I cant see him taking it lightly, there will be some kind of response.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Provocation for what?

Right wrong indifferent my opinion doesn't matter I'm trying to look at this from Russias perspective.

Ukraine considers it a valid military target.

Russia has repeatedly warned not to attack that specific bridge. Russia now considers Crimea part of actual mother Russia. Ukraine just attacked critical infrastructure that mother Russia needs likely with us supplied weapons.


Attacking NATO transfer depot's that are transferring weapons to Ukraine. Since this attack was likely carried out by weapons supplied by the US like himars.

Russia will now view the US as directly contributing to an attack on Russian soil.

Russia may use this as justification to use tactical nukes or go scorched earth on Ukrainian critical infrastructure and political centers.

I don't know.

What I do know is attacking that bridge just got closer to getting NATO into this mess and a nuclear exchange

I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia EMP Ukraine. I find it interesting that so many of Russias forces are all retreating. Why?

 

[Arjuna]

Desperate Europeans Return to the World’s Oldest Fuel for Warmth

 

[holdover]

US mercenary's sent to Valhalla

 

[Arjuna]

Eight reasons Putin may not be bluffing about using nuclear weapons

 

[Defilade]

US mercenary's sent to Valhalla

Dude was just drawing fire to him. Don't even think he sited in on anyone. Dumbass. Don't take a shot unless the enemy is in the crosshairs unless you are providing cover fire.

 

[holdover]

Youtube Has just shut down all independent Reporting​

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Dude was just drawing fire to him. Don't even think he sited in on anyone. Dumbass. Don't take a shot unless the enemy is in the crosshairs unless you are providing cover fire.

I'm watching on my phone so it's very small and grainy. It looked like they were being attacked from multiple directions. Right at the end it looks like he switched to a shotgun and was shooting off to the right. The Russians were likely closing in and he was probably trying to suppress them out of desperation to escape.

What guns are they with left side charging handles? Are they bren 805s maybe?

 

[Defilade]

 

[Defilade]

Youtube Has just shut down all independent Reporting​

Of course. And this type of Nazi style control shall continue. Everything is being exposed!!

 

[holdover]

What guns are they with left side charging handles? Are they bren 805s maybe?

Looks like a British SA80 but Im not 100%. It does look like they were being shot at from different angles . The guy did make an uncomfortably quick assessment that his friend was dead. Maybe he saw something we didnt , dont know, Looks like the guy could have been unconsious or hurt badly .

 

[GOYABEAN]

 

[spat]

Im thinking a missile strike on Kiev and power plants communication centers, something like that.

It was a personal slap in the face to Putin, I cant see him taking it lightly, there will be some kind of response.

Imagine fighting world war 2 and worrying about what the Japanese or Germans are going to do if they get pissed LOL.

Putin is going to do whatever he can, regardless. So you best hurt him where you can.

 

[spat]

Right wrong indifferent my opinion doesn't matter I'm trying to look at this from Russias perspective.

Ukraine considers it a valid military target.

Russia has repeatedly warned not to attack that specific bridge. Russia now considers Crimea part of actual mother Russia. Ukraine just attacked critical infrastructure that mother Russia needs likely with us supplied weapons.


Attacking NATO transfer depot's that are transferring weapons to Ukraine. Since this attack was likely carried out by weapons supplied by the US like himars.

Russia will now view the US as directly contributing to an attack on Russian soil.

Russia may use this as justification to use tactical nukes or go scorched earth on Ukrainian critical infrastructure and political centers.

I don't know.

What I do know is attacking that bridge just got closer to getting NATO into this mess and a nuclear exchange

I wouldn't be surprised to see Russia EMP Ukraine. I find it interesting that so many of Russias forces are all retreating. Why?

You can't EMP Ukraine without EMPing most of Europe, including the majority of NATO members.

That would not end well for Putin, it would just end Putin.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Phazer]

In the end, the only question will be how much of Ukraine will have to be destroyed before it capitulates, sues for peace and surrenders its eastern 20% adjacent to Russia.

To this point, Russia has told its population that it is "not at war."

When Russian leadership finally tells their people that they "are at war," Ukraine will be doomed.

Russian military doctrine has a long history of not giving a damn how many of their own people must be sacrificed to win a military engagement. They most certainly could not care less what they do to their enemies.

The question to the western allies is simple: Are you willing to put your own homelands at risk for Ukraine?

 

[spat]

In the end, the only question will be how much of Ukraine will have to be destroyed before it capitulates, sues for peace and surrenders its eastern 20% adjacent to Russia.

To this point, Russia has told its population that it is "not at war."

When Russian leadership finally tells their people that they "are at war," Ukraine will be doomed.

Russian military doctrine has a long history of not giving a damn how many of their own people must be sacrificed to win a military engagement. They most certainly could not care less what they do to their enemies.

The question to the western allies is simple: Are you willing to put your own homelands at risk for Ukraine?

Russia has a finite number of military aged men.

They will run out of them eventually just like they did precision guided missiles.

Ukraine just needs to keep the meat grinder running until there's no one left for Putin to send.

 

[togmaster]

One way. Probably leaving Crimea.

 

[holdover]

Imagine fighting world war 2 and worrying about what the Japanese or Germans are going to do if they get pissed LOL.

Putin is going to do whatever he can, regardless. So you best hurt him where you can.

Your going to see what he's going to do. Fuck around time is over. Ukraine mobilized day 1. Russia tried to do it with a peace time army,

 

[Arjuna]

US ammunition supplies dwindle as Ukraine war drains stockpiles

 

[spat]

Your going to see what he's going to do. Fuck around time is over. Ukraine mobilized day 1. Russia tried to do it with a peace time army,

Russia does not win this.

They are going to destroy themselves trying.

In the end Ukraine will take back all the territory Russia has acquired back to the 90s, and Russia will be devastated.

The only question at this point is how much more Russia sacrifices of herself on the alter of stubbornness first.

 

[holdover]

Russia does not win this.

They are going to destroy themselves trying.

In the end Ukraine will take back all the territory Russia has acquired back to the 90s, and Russia will be devastated.

The only question at this point is how much more Russia sacrifices of herself on the alter of stubbornness first.

Well Her stubborness is what defeated the NAZI's ,it cost Russia 20 million men in WW2, You got a looooooonng way to go.

For the moment, Ukraine has the upper hand Shes doing well , shockingly well, But Russia will come back with a roar, shes going to build a million man army by December. Time will tell.

 

[spat]

Well Her stubborness is what defeated the NAZI's ,it cost Russia 20 million men in WW2, You got a looooooonng way to go.

For the moment, Ukraine has the upper hand Shes doing well , shockingly well, But Russia will come back with a roar, shes going to build a million man army by December. Time will tell.

She doesn't have a million men to spare and she doesn't have the ability to equip a million men.

This is not the 1940s Soviet Union, and the US is equipping Ukraine not Russia in this one.

Her only chance would be support from China and I don't see that happening at all.

 

[holdover]

She doesn't have a million men to spare and she doesn't have the ability to equip a million men.

This is not the 1940s Soviet Union, and the US is equipping Ukraine not Russia in this one.

Her only chance would be support from China and I don't see that happening at all.

Not sure where your getting your info but Russia has a population of 150 million, She can spare a few million men no problem.
She has plenty of small arms to equip an army And China is already giving her limited aid. Afghanistan has plenty of equipment to sell or trade for oil. Iran is more than willing to sell her anything she needs And she is moving into war time production where everything is geared for the war .

 

[Phazer]

Russia does not win this.

Russia cannot lose this.
If they lose, they are degraded militarily and politically and they lose credibility as a world power.
If they win, even a pyrrhic victory through the use of nuclear weapons or saturation bombing from their air force, they maintain credibility and inspire fear in their enemies...no matter how many they create or need to destroy.

They are going to destroy themselves trying.

The Russian government? Possibly. But, they will try to save face for their nation and their military as they do so.

In the end Ukraine will take back all the territory Russia has acquired back to the 90s, and Russia will be devastated.

There won't be much worth taking back when Russia is done there.

The only question at this point is how much more Russia sacrifices of herself on the alter of stubbornness first.

Historically, the Russian military will fight to the last Russian civilian.
Whether their current citizenry allows that is the real question.

 

[spat]

Not sure where your getting your info but Russia has a population of 150 million, She can spare a few million men no problem.
She has plenty of small arms to equip an army And China is already giving her limited aid. Afghanistan has plenty of equipment to sell or trade for oil. Iran is more than willing to sell her anything she needs And she is moving into war time production where everything is geared for the war .

We shall see.

Russia has a little under 70M people "fit for military service" compared to Ukraine's 16M

But. Russia is fighting for Putin's vanity. Ukraine is fighting for their existence as an independent nation.

Ukraine could mobilize all 16M and still have popular support, and the west would he salivating at the contracts to rebuild.

The Russian government and economy would collapse long before they got to 5 million.

List of global manpower fit for military service - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

 

[Phazer]

But. Russia is fighting for Putin's vanity. Ukraine is fighting for their existence as an independent nation.

There is no doubt that initiative favors the defender.
Initiative, however, cannot always overcome overwhelming force (aerial bombardment and rocket barrages against civilian population centers, civil strife due to lack of food/water/power, chemical & biological attacks, and even nuclear strikes).
Nobody knows just how far Putin will take this campaign. He may have already started down a path from which he cannot retreat.

Ukraine's allies at this point should be doing their best to create a political (and thus a military) off-ramp for Putin. For this to even begin, the allies must tell Zelenskyy, "You cannot, and will not, win this conflict. Time to end this before you lose so many people that Ukraine will no longer exist as a nation even if it continues as a contiguous country."