Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

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Mosinitis said:
That was William Tecumseh Sherman philosophy of a total war. In this Russian/Ukrainian conflict, it was a response to crossing of the red line.
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Yes but Sherman was triumphantly advancing into rebel territory. The Russians are retreating in an embarrassing manner from geography they claim is theirs. Their focus should be to stabilize the front not waste weaponry on civilians. Makes them look weak.
 
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I am seeing more and more tweets on Twitter from selective service

I have never seen Tweets from them

Interesting....
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
You can actually make a thorough argument the same strategy in WW2 caused an alternative chain of events that led to Germany losing.

The German Luftwaffe was grinding down the RAF. They were likely within days of obtaining air superiority and would have forced the RAF to redeploy much farther inland from the English channel.

The RAF bombed Berlin and Hitler lost his mind and wanted revenge so he ordered Goering to switch tactics from destroying the RAF to bombing London which began the London blitz. This gave the RAF the time and cushion they needed to repair their airfields and refit their forces. They would eventually go on to win the battle of Britain and the Germans were forced to scrap "operation sealion" the invasion of Britain because it was impossible without air superiority. Those forces were then redeployed east to Poland and later used in operation Barbarossa invading the Soviet union.

The course of history changed because Hitler was mad and wanted to strike fear into Britain instead of the priority military targets and strategy.
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Totally different scenarios. Hitler wasn't a puppet of a larger alliance, which was trying to see what he (they) can get away with and raising the stakes, testing red lines. There were numerous attacks on Russian infrastructure prior to Crimean bridge before Putin finally responded. It was very thick red line.
 
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tirwin1 said:
Yes but Sherman was triumphantly advancing into rebel territory. The Russians are retreating in an embarrassing manner from geography they claim is theirs. Their focus should be to stabilize the front not waste weaponry on civilians. Makes them look weak.
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Russia only began to mobilize. Belarus just pledged a bigger support and offered their territory for Russian military operation. Few towns in Eastern Ukraine changing hands is not going to be a deciding factor in this war. U.S. media and retired generals shilling for military-industrial complex are not a good reference on Russia's capabilities.
 
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BTW, Yesterday Belarus summoned Ukrainian ambassador and gave an official warning that any attack on Belarussian territory will be responded to by Belarussian armed forces. So if Russian forces operating from Belarus come under attack, Belarussian military will be deployed as well.
 
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Mosinitis said:
BTW, Yesterday Belarus summoned Ukrainian ambassador and gave an official warning that any attack on Belarussian territory will be responded to by Belarussian armed forces. So if Russian forces operating from Belarus come under attack, Belarussian military will be deployed as well.
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The Polich government has instructed all of their citizens to leave Belarus....
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
They're laughing their asses off that we are depleting our excess inventory of munitions being donated to Ukraine to kill Russians.

Every javelin, 155mm, himars, etc china laughs because it's one less they have to worry about.

China is probably urging Russia behind the scenes to move this along to a conclusion so that they can bolster china on the Pacific front when the time comes.
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And our defense industry is laughing their asses off about getting to replace them.

Some of that equipment has a shelf life.

This isn't depleting our stocks, this is just rotating them for freshness.
 
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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Actually a nice story to read

www.yahoo.com

PHOTOS: Russian and US troops shook hands and took pictures together when their patrols met in Syria, actions in deep contrast with Ukraine tensions

Soldiers from Russia and the United States encountered each other while patrolling territory in Syria near the Turkish border.
www.yahoo.com www.yahoo.com
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If I get motivated, I will pull out some old pictures. I trained with a Company sized element of Russian Soldiers back in 05. Good times, good people.
 
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spat said:
And our defense industry is laughing their asses off about getting to replace them.

Some of that equipment has a shelf life.

This isn't depleting our stocks, this is just rotating them for freshness.
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I'd read that the Gen 1 Javelin systems were reaching the end of their service life (for whatever reason). They were going to be relegated to being used as training units. Those were instead shipped to Ukraine.
 
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This aired 7 years ago, long before Z-day invasion of Ukraine. I can see why the Russians don't want this asshole or troops comanded by people like him near their border. It doesn't even occur to him, he is calling for a genocide and look at the agreeing smile on Cavuto's face.

 
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Phazer said:
I'd read that the Gen 1 Javelin systems were reaching the end of their service life (for whatever reason). They were going to be relegated to being used as training units. Those were instead shipped to Ukraine.
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IIRC they have a non replacable battery built in with a finite shelf life.

After a couple decades it gets risky if they will even fire.
 
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Mosinitis said:
This aired 7 years ago, long before Z-day invasion of Ukraine. I can see why the Russians don't want this asshole or troops comanded by people like him near their border. It doesn't even occur to him, he is calling for a genocide and look at the agreeing smile on Cavuto's face.

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On several occasions I had a chance to confront these ass clowns in person. I am not a violent man, but I can put them in their place at least verbally.
Russians "camped out" in Donbass since 1500's. This idiot became aware of Donbass existence in the last decade or so and yet he feels justified to come out on National TV and call for extermination of Donbass main ethnic group. One can only imagine what this evil doer calls for when the cameras are off. Words have consequences and with America behind them, Ukro- Nazis operate freely, while U.S. media white washes it as Putin's propaganda.
I spoke to people from Donbass, there are some who came to this country and they are actually angry that Russia didn't come to their defense sooner.

 
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