Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

Completely irrelevant. We paid for them . they were not free for us.

And we aren't the ones choosing how to use them, so what we paid doesn't matter at all.

Ukraine is in control of them, and they didn't pay anything for them.

It's just like section 8 housing. The people living there DGAF how much the house costs, because they don't have to pay for it.

If they did, they would take much better care of it.

 

[holdover]

OK.

 

[spat]

This has to be one of your worse arguments ever.

Why do you think Ukraine cares at all what the US government paid for these things ?

All they care about is how many they have sitting in a warehouse, because that's all that matters.

Look, I've got a lot of 1000lb+ boulders on my property, a lot.

I'm using them all over the place, because they didn't cost me a thing.

Now if I had to buy them from a landscaping place they'd charge me several hundred dollars a piece for them. No way would I use them to just line the side of my driveway at that price.

But I didn't pay that for them, so I do.

It's like that.

The missiles may cost Uncle Sam $2M, but they didn't cost Raytheon that much to build them, and they didn't cost Ukraine that much to get them either.

All that actually matters is how many we ship them, and if the S really HTF, how fast Raytheon can make more.

You don't seem to understand that the dollar cost for the federal government is completely irrelevant. Unlike everyone else they do not need to balance a budget. If they want more missiles they can just print more money.

 

[holdover]

Why do you think Ukraine cares at all what the US government paid for these things ?

They dont.

You don't seem to understand that the dollar cost for the federal government is completely irrelevant. Unlike everyone else they do not need to balance a budget. If they want more missiles they can just print more money.

There is a breaking point . and the US dollar will eventually be worthless because people believe that

 

[spat]

They dont.


There is a breaking point . and the US dollar will eventually be worthless because people believe that

Yes, they will blow up the entire global economy by doing that, probably sooner rather than later.

But it will be people who don't believe it will happen that cause it.

So they won't care what number someone writes on the missile invoice.

All that matters militarily is how many missiles do you have, and how many more can you get.

If you knew the whole thing was going to implode tomorrow, would you haggle over the price of something you were writing a check for ?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I thinks it's well past time that ya'll stop thinking about how much Ukraine's war against Russia is costing us in treasure and weapons, and just start thinking in terms of it being our war against Russia. Giving them the weapons for $0 is our price for them doing the bleeding. It's a proxy war, plain and simple.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

I thinks it's well past time that ya'll stop thinking about how much Ukraine's war against Russia is costing us in treasure and weapons, and just start thinking in terms of it being our war against Russia. Giving them the weapons for $0 is our price for them doing the bleeding. It's a proxy war, plain and simple.

Yes. We will fight Russia to the last Ukrainian.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Just a random question that may or may not have merit, but has anyone here given any thought to the possibility that if Russia over takes Ukraine that we, NATO, might use nukes on Russia?

 

[holdover]

I thinks it's well past time that ya'll stop thinking about how much Ukraine's war against Russia is costing us in treasure and weapons, and just start thinking in terms of it being our war against Russia. Giving them the weapons for $0 is our price for them doing the bleeding. It's a proxy war, plain and simple.

Can you explain why we are fighting Russia?

 

[holdover]

Just a random question that may or may not have merit, but has anyone here given any thought to the possibility that if Russia over takes Ukraine that we, NATO, might use nukes on Russia?

Because?

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Can you explain why we are fighting Russia?

Can you? Or are you trying to say we aren't fighting Russia?

 

[holdover]

No, Im asking why we are fighting Russia, I dont get it.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Because?

Because, there is obviously a vested interest in something to do with Ukraine and the vested interests our dear leaders have in that country. Why be there at all using the propaganda we have been if there weren't something worthy of nuking over?

 

[holdover]

Exactly what vested interests are we fighting for?

 

[Mosinitis]

Senator Anus King comes back from Ukraine and makes wild claims.

 

[holdover]

im watching

 

[ArmedCorgi]

Exactly what vested interests are we fighting for?

Uuuuuuhhh money laundering? NWO bullshit? Nothing good for our country but some how good for them.

 

[holdover]

Uuuuuuhhh money laundering? NWO bullshit? Nothing good for our country but some how good for them.

I'll buy that. But I cant support it

 

[ArmedCorgi]

I'll buy that. But I cant support it

So you don't think this is a poxy war?

 

[holdover]

So you don't think this is a poxy war?

yes of course. I just dont support it or support our arming them , they are placeing our countries in jepordy of a nuclear war for that reasons they will not say

 

[ArmedCorgi]

yes of course. I just dont support it or support our arming them ,

Neither do I. I don't get why you are grilling me.

 

[holdover]

Neither do I. I don't get why you are grilling me.

you said:

""Giving them the weapons for $0 is our price for them doing the bleeding. It's a proxy war, plain and simple.""

I took it as you supported the war.

 

[ArmedCorgi]

you said:

""Giving them the weapons for $0 is our price for them doing the bleeding. It's a proxy war, plain and simple.""

I took it as you supported the war.

No. That is just what it is. I'm calling a spade a spade.

 

[holdover]

Senator Anus King comes back from Ukraine and makes wild claims.

That guy is a freaking sales man, and a bad one to boot.

Russia is going to win this , She may lose millions of men, but she is going to win, and there may not be a Ukrainian left in Ukraine by the time they are done

 

[holdover]

• Over 10 million Ukrainians have fled the country since the start of the war, but those who stayed have already been pushed to the limits of their resilience.
• As winter sets in — with temperatures set to plummet and dwindling daylight hours — officials are warning of widespread shortages of energy and heat.
• The WHO warned that the situation facing millions of Ukrainians was “life threatening.”

Power has become particularly scarce, with energy use rationed and scheduled (and, lately, unscheduled) daily blackouts imposed in many parts of the country.

And those blackouts could last for months, according to one energy company CEO, who warned Monday evening that “there may be no light for a very long time.”

“I want everyone to understand: Ukrainians will most likely have to live in a shutdown mode until at least the end of March,” Serhiy Kovalenko, CEO at Ukrainian power provider Yasno, said on Facebook Monday.

'There may be no light for a very long time': Ukrainians face a massive test of survival this winter

This winter could push millions of Ukrainians to the limit, as shortages of power, heat and water become acute.

www.cnbc.com

 

[Jmac00]

• Over 10 million Ukrainians have fled the country since the start of the war, but those who stayed have already been pushed to the limits of their resilience.
• As winter sets in — with temperatures set to plummet and dwindling daylight hours — officials are warning of widespread shortages of energy and heat.
• The WHO warned that the situation facing millions of Ukrainians was “life threatening.”

Power has become particularly scarce, with energy use rationed and scheduled (and, lately, unscheduled) daily blackouts imposed in many parts of the country.

And those blackouts could last for months, according to one energy company CEO, who warned Monday evening that “there may be no light for a very long time.”

“I want everyone to understand: Ukrainians will most likely have to live in a shutdown mode until at least the end of March,” Serhiy Kovalenko, CEO at Ukrainian power provider Yasno, said on Facebook Monday.

'There may be no light for a very long time': Ukrainians face a massive test of survival this winter

This winter could push millions of Ukrainians to the limit, as shortages of power, heat and water become acute.

www.cnbc.com

so their power grid is as good as ours? Got it

 

[tirwin1]

That guy is a freaking sales man, and a bad one to boot.

Russia is going to win this , She may lose millions of men, but she is going to win, and there may not be a Ukrainian left in Ukraine by the time they are done

Russia may win. Right now that is the safe way to bet. My sense is if Russia loses millions of men they will not win this war. If there is not a Ukrainian left by the time they are done then they will not have won the war. Putin started this war for territory AND to get millions of ethnic Russians back behind the border of his country. If there are none left then by definition he lost the war.

Russia thought that three mechanized strikes in the north, middle and south would quickly end the "limited" military incursion or whatever the fuck Putin called it. Turns out this was wrong. Now the Russians will have to invade on a larger front with massive waves of infantry. Will they win? Who knows. But the more they destroy the territory they sought to acquire the less of a "victory" they can claim.

 

[spat]

Just a random question that may or may not have merit, but has anyone here given any thought to the possibility that if Russia over takes Ukraine that we, NATO, might use nukes on Russia?

Won't happen.

Nukes are an act of desperation. NATO can steamroll Russia conventionally.

So NATO Won't use nukes because they don’t have to for anything other than as a response to a massive nuclear strike.

I don't even think NATO would respond with nukes to a Russian use of tactical nukes.

They would respond with overwhelming conventional force instead.

 

[spat]

Can you explain why we are fighting Russia?

Because there is a lot of profit in it, *and* we are destroying one of our 2 major geopolitical rivals on the cheap, *and* with the Ukranians doing all the dying it's easy to keep the sheep in this country in support of it.

 

[prambo]

I can't believe that on a forum that, generally, shows high levels of objectivity, along with a very high level of logic and reasoning, people are still arguing over the minutiae of a complete and fabricated clown show.

It's nothing but a diversion from what's happening behind the curtain, accompanied by high order money laundering, organized by the corrupt Western "elites".

In many ways I don't really care about this anymore but, frankly, I wish the Russkies would just bear down and nail that malevolent little midget Zelenskyy. He's a preening, obnoxious, narcissistic and psychotic fraud.

And fUSA.Gov is determined to get young Americans killed over it.

It's a distraction from the internal moral and political collapse of the fUSA.

But, hey...............