holdover
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Now that is an accurate statement.
Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Now that is an accurate statement.
I think Germany needs a litle guidance. They have a tendancy to overdo. I am going to write to them tomorrow. Can't hurt. Last time German tanks rolled into Ukraine, they killed half of my family. Our family name is listed in the Holocaust museum in Washington.
Most people have no idea about all the logistics in a tank operation like this.
The last time I went the NTC (National Training Center) was in 2001. It was a decent sized training operation. In 27 days, more than 1.5 million gallons of fuel was used. That is just in a training mode. Fuel usage is much higher in a real world situation.
Lol... Not exactly Green so to say.
holdover
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Even if they do, they cant run them out of Ukraine. they have to come from Poland which gives the Russians a hell of lead time.
spat
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I think you're right.
The question is, did they make that mistake all on their own, or were they led there like Saddam was..
I think they largely expected to make significant gains with minimal resistance and even some support from locals. Their initial attempt to storm kyiv is proof that was their strategy it wasn't a feint. They had plane loads of paratroopers shot down over kyiv for crying out loud.
IMO if it wasn't for a massive delivery of NATO stingers, javelins, panzerfausts etc that Ukraine would have gotten pushed back and would have been demoralized and in disarray. The ridiculous amount of man portable AT and AA decimated the Russian strategy and supply lines. The Russians were suffering far heavier losses than expected and their supply lines collapsed. They had no choice but to withdraw regroup, refit and mobilize additional forces. Now we are here with probably 100x more deaths and destruction and we're on the verge of ww3.
And in relation to my post I am sympathetic to the Ukrainian people. I really am.
I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..
Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine
30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets
I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.
That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.
We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.
We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.
Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.
And this channel
The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger
U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)
The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.
Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.
We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.
What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc
holdover
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Considering that they overthrew the Ukrainian government, then armed them to the teeth for the last eight years , then crossed a well known, well established, red line, outlined in the Maiden agreement which would knowingly lead to war , Useing Ukraine as a money laundering operation and conducting illegal bio lab experiments in which they knew all evidence would be destroyed, I lean toward the ""lead to war"" theory.
The why is because Russia did not want to give up her sovereignty to join the brotherhood of globalism
I think it's every bit as much about maintaining sovereignty as it is a buffer for an ever incrementally closing in NATO.
If the Warsaw pact was taking over Cuba, Venezuela, Brazil, central America and was moving up towards Mexico, what do you think the US would do? We would probably invade Mexico to get it first to give us a buffer zone.
spat
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We would not invade Mexico.
We are not stupid enough to want to occupy Mexico. That would just be a massive money pit.
If Russia were successful in occupying Ukraine at this point it would bankrupt them.
holdover
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the writing is on the wall. the Ukraine is slowly crumbling , NATO is probably going to step in at some point.I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..
Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine
30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets
I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.
That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.
We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.
We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.
Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.
And this channel
The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger
U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)
The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.www.nytimes.com
Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.
We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.
What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc
Its really a beautiful cover story for a build up of military equipment without anyone asking questions
I dont believe Russia will use nukes unless her territory is under attack and she is losing . If she knows she cant win then shes taking everybody with her.
the Russians claim 3000 tanks destroyed, if its anywhere close to being true, the Ukrainians are out of tanks or close to it. thats why she is begging the west for heavy tanks , She doesn't have enough for an offensive.
However those modern tanks are going to be met with a sky full of drones and heavy artillery land mines, and kornet antitank missiles. there will be losses unless NATO goes all in. The Russians will make them a special project.
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holdover
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spat
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NATO is being very careful not to let Ukraine get too much offensive capability.
They're all about giving Ukraine the ability to grind the Russian military into dust on their territory, but they do not want them attacking into Russia at all.
This is classic western stupidity, it's what lost us every war we've ever lost.
Either you fight to win, or you do not fight.
We fought to stalemate in Korea, Vietnam, and Afghanistan and look what happened. We fight until we get bored, because we refuse to win.
holdover
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Theres truth to what your saying, given the opportunity, The Ukrainians would want some payback , they cant be trusted to follow the plan.
holdover
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#metoo
Saltwater60
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No shit. That’s messed up man. Cool fact but seriously messed up. My wife’s aunts mom had the numbers tattooed on her from her stay at a camp. I never met her but I sure wish I had. The people that lived through that amaze me and I can’t believe they don’t hold more hate for the Germans.
Saltwater60
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I don’t get the tank move. Why now? I guess it will take months to train them on our tanks but the German ones are easier to use? I don’t know but it just amazes me
holdover
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Its because they're fucked.
I posted earlier in the thread 7 b52s were spotted leaving conus flying in formation east towards Europe..
Off the top of my head just the past month if I'm recalling correctly the US has committed to giving Ukraine
30ish Abrams
A patriot battery or 3
About 100 strykers
About 50 bradleys
About 50 mraps
About 50 humvees
More himars and Ionger range rockets
I'm sure they're also shipping lots of more logistical replenishment munitions as well.
That's what I can recall just from the past month and that's just the US.
We are equipping the Ukrainians to be our proxy army.
We're probably just a month away from hearing about f16s and Apaches being gifted too.
Reports are coming in of very unusual military movements. Trains full of armor heading to the coast. Etc very ominous developments all happening. I watch this YouTube channel and it's great, I'll give it a recommend.
And this channel
The 101st deployment just got extended and is now larger
U.S. Extends Troop Deployment in Romania, at Ukraine War’s Doorstep (Published 2023)
The buildup is part of President Biden’s commitment to increase American forces in Europe in response to the Russian invasion last February.
Every day the little breadcrumbs are right there in full sight for everyone to pick-up the indicators and clues.
We're a ball hair away from getting dragged into this war. I do not want American blood spilled because of greedy evil power hungry sociopaths. In ww3 the American homeland will not be spared. Our enemies can reach across the ocean with missiles, planes, electrons, sleeper cells, and computer codes.
What are we doing. Virtually no one I talk to is worried about this.
Etc
And due to the Russian doctrine, I do not think this will make much difference.
We won't provide the intelligence or support for that. Our government wants to degrade the military capacity of Russia and we'll sacrifice as many Ukrainian lives as possible to accomplish this. Hell the ghouls in Washington probably won't mind if both armies are effectively destroyed as a result.
spat
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The more damage that happens to Ukraine, the more they can skim off the rebuilding contracts.
They are not remotely concerned about the Ukranians. They are a means to an end for the DC crowd, that is all.
holdover
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Phazer
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I'm not sure that this is a complete assessment with regards to "western stupidity."
From an American warfighter's stanpoint in the Pentagon, we now have the opportunity to seriously degrade the military capacity of one of our sworn global enemies. We can do so by sending equipment (much of which is older and being mothballed or relegated to training) to Ukraine, to be used without American personnel, and then request appropriations to replace the "donated" material with modern versions. From the Pentagon's viewpoint, this is as close to a win-win situation as can be.
Our military planners are absolutely fighting a proxy war against Russia. But, Russia has no proxy and has real skin in the game. Our government, and possibly Zelensky, are willing to fight to the last Ukranian.
In the end, the Ukrainian people are being murdered by Russia and are being continuously fed into the proverbial grinder by their allies.
holdover
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The deputy head of the Office of the President of Ukraine Kirill Tymoshenko resigned.He repeatedly received accusations from the owners of Ukraine of stealing humanitarian aid The governors of the Kherson (Ukrainian), Sumy, Zaporozhye and Dnepropetrovsk regions also resigned