Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[holdover]

The Soviet Union survived that long without the west.

It was a lot larger than Russia.

And it did ultimately collapse from within.

Your splitting hairs. Russia was the center and power of the soviet union. After the fall of the USSR , Europe never allowed Russia to join in any of its raindeer games. She was excluded from Europe , an outcast. Instead of embracing her as a friend they used Russia as an enemy they didnt allow her into the EU. Russia was shunned. Russia never really had to depend on the West. She is doing fine even after the harshest econmic sanctions that have ever been used against her. the fact that Russia is still viable is testament to the fact that she doesnt need the west , In fact Putin said he is done with them . No more trade . so its a mutual breakup .

 

[holdover]

Is Israel bombing Iran?

seems somebody is.

 

[Acer-m14]

Carpet Bombing ???

 

[spat]

Your splitting hairs. Russia was the center and power of the soviet union. After the fall of the USSR , Europe never allowed Russia to join in any of its raindeer games. She was excluded from Europe , an outcast. Instead of embracing her as a friend they used Russia as an enemy they didnt allow her into the EU. Russia was shunned. Russia never really had to depend on the West. She is doing fine even after the harshest econmic sanctions that have ever been used against her. the fact that Russia is still viable is testament to the fact that she doesnt need the west , In fact Putin said he is done with them . No more trade . so its a mutual breakup .

We are nowhere near the harshest sanctions. We're practically in kid glove territory.


Also, the USSR included a lot of countries that are no longer aligned with Russia. The loss of Ukraine alone is a major blow to Russia's economic self sufficiency.

I am sure they can *survive* on their own, but the cost will be very high, and it will eventually cripple them to where they can no longer threaten their neighbors.

If the EU and NATO wanted to get serious, they would cut *all* trade with Russia, *and* any country that does trade with them.

They wouldn't last 5 years under that kind of pressure.

If China and India, etc... were forced to choose between trade with Russia, and trade with Europe and the US and Canada, any guess which they'd pick?

 

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[Mosinitis]

Impotent Fuhrer Scholz goes to Brazil and Argentina to ask for help (where else would a Fuhrer go).
Frau Blucher/Annalena blames Russia for her stupidity and incompetence.
Brazil and Argentina tell Scholz to go fuck himself, they are not getting involved.

 

[Cavalry]

I dont understand this push to get US and German armor into Ukraine. Crew training aside, who is going to fix them, let alone do basic maintenance? Where are their spare parts stores? Do they have cannon ammunition and how are they going to get it to the battlefield? Will they come with a coax and TC MG? What about parts and ammo for those? When the battery goes dead do they even have a NATO slave cable that can be adapted to their junk? There is zero support for some of the biggest maintenance intensive machines in the battlefield.

 

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[ManualF150]

NATO Ready For Direct Confrontation With Russia

NATO official says alliance "ready" for direct confrontation with Russia

Admiral Rob Bauer said that NATO is focused on rearmament as Russia's strategic objectives go beyond Ukraine and could possibly expand to neighboring countries.

www.newsweek.com

 

[holdover]

We are nowhere near the harshest sanctions. We're practically in kid glove territory.


Also, the USSR included a lot of countries that are no longer aligned with Russia. The loss of Ukraine alone is a major blow to Russia's economic self sufficiency.

I am sure they can *survive* on their own, but the cost will be very high, and it will eventually cripple them to where they can no longer threaten their neighbors.

If the EU and NATO wanted to get serious, they would cut *all* trade with Russia, *and* any country that does trade with them.

They wouldn't last 5 years under that kind of pressure.

If China and India, etc... were forced to choose between trade with Russia, and trade with Europe and the US and Canada, any guess which they'd pick?

No they really are the harshest ever used against Russia. Theres nothing left to sanction.

That aside, How well did the sactions work against The USSR,Cuba, Iran, Iraq, Libya?

Nato would cut all trade but theres a problem, they need gas, and they can get it elsewhere for much higher prices .

Yeah Im sure they would choose the larger market. but they dont have to choose.

Matter of fact, countries all over the world are looking to drop the dollar as it inflates into dogshit. And a lot of countries are learniing that the US goverment cant be trusted and would drop bombs on them if they didnt follow orders . the American empire is slowly crumbling

We dont even need to put NATO forces in Ukraine. This was done by the west with sole intention of collaspeing Russia over time and I dont think it will work , and even if it does what does the dollar look like after supporting this war for 3 years? And they will blame Russia .

Its a bad fucking joke.

 

[holdover]

I dont understand this push to get US and German armor into Ukraine. Crew training aside, who is going to fix them, let alone do basic maintenance? Where are their spare parts stores? Do they have cannon ammunition and how are they going to get it to the battlefield? Will they come with a coax and TC MG? What about parts and ammo for those? When the battery goes dead do they even have a NATO slave cable that can be adapted to their junk? There is zero support for some of the biggest maintenance intensive machines in the battlefield.

I guess they dont have to worry about that stuff for a while.

WASHINGTON — Ukraine must wait months to receive the 31 M1 Abrams tanks promised by the US because the Pentagon does not have enough of the critical vehicles in its own stockpile to send now, spokeswoman Sabrina Singh confirmed Thursday.

While the White House has said Ukrainians need the more advanced capabilities to gear up for a fresh Russian offensive expected this spring, the US tanks won’t roll into eastern Europe until the predicted push is a distant memory.

“We just don’t have these tanks available in excess in our US stocks, which is why it is going to take months to transfer these M1A2 Abrams to Ukraine,” Singh said, referencing the specific newer version of the tank the US will send.

White House officials warned Wednesday it could take up to a year before Kyiv receives the tanks that President Biden publicly pledged because they would be purchased new with Congressionally approved funds as part of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative.

On Jan. 19, Singh had said, “it just doesn’t make sense to provide [M1s] to the Ukrainians at this moment” when asked about the prospective package. The spokesperson pointed at the time to the US tank’s logistical challenges, as its gas turbine engine requires jet fuel — unlike the diesel engine used by the Leopard and Challenger.

US doesn’t have enough tanks to send Ukraine, Pentagon admits

The US announcement came the same day German Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed his government would send Ukraine 14 Leopard 2 battle tanks.

nypost.com

 

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I guess they dont have to worry about that stuff for a while.

WASHINGTON — Ukraine must wait months to receive the 31 M1 Abrams tanks promised by the US because the Pentagon does not have enough of the critical vehicles in its own stockpile to send now, spokeswoman Sabrina Singh confirmed Thursday.

While the White House has said Ukrainians need the more advanced capabilities to gear up for a fresh Russian offensive expected this spring, the US tanks won’t roll into eastern Europe until the predicted push is a distant memory.

“We just don’t have these tanks available in excess in our US stocks, which is why it is going to take months to transfer these M1A2 Abrams to Ukraine,” Singh said, referencing the specific newer version of the tank the US will send.

White House officials warned Wednesday it could take up to a year before Kyiv receives the tanks that President Biden publicly pledged because they would be purchased new with Congressionally approved funds as part of the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative.

On Jan. 19, Singh had said, “it just doesn’t make sense to provide [M1s] to the Ukrainians at this moment” when asked about the prospective package. The spokesperson pointed at the time to the US tank’s logistical challenges, as its gas turbine engine requires jet fuel — unlike the diesel engine used by the Leopard and Challenger.

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US doesn’t have enough tanks to send Ukraine, Pentagon admits

The US announcement came the same day German Chancellor Olaf Scholz confirmed his government would send Ukraine 14 Leopard 2 battle tanks.

nypost.com

The US has thousands of Abrams parked on the pavement because we build new ones whether we want them or not.

But, those are not "export spec" and we do not want to let anyone else get their hands on them.

 

[GOPerfect]

This article, this bit of news makes no sense at all. I say, it is filled with lies. I have a good friend at Fort Riley Kansas that says he and his team have been working on tanks and has already shipped some that are destined for Europe. he was told by his bosses that these particular tanks are the ones heading to the Ukraine. They updated pieces and parts, did all of the needed maintenance on the tanks and all have fresh paint applied.

More lies, from somewhere are being told.

 

[Grimscale]

we do not want to let anyone else get their hands on them.

I'm sure the Taliban, and through them the Chinese and Russians, would disagree.

 

[Mosinitis]

This article, this bit of news makes no sense at all. I say, it is filled with lies. I have a good friend at Fort Riley Kansas that says he and his team have been working on tanks and has already shipped some that are destined for Europe. he was told by his bosses that these particular tanks are the ones heading to the Ukraine. They updated pieces and parts, did all of the needed maintenance on the tanks and all have fresh paint applied.

More lies, from somewhere are being told.

Yeah, it doesn't make sense they would telegraph that information if it was true. Tanks will be there soon or maybe already there. I am sure the Russians don't take anything coming from the West at face value.

This is probably for our domestic consumption. To minimize escalation that is going on.

 

[prambo]

Both articles address larger problems than Ukraine, although the "Ukraine problem" is, IMHO, a manifestation of the moral, financial and spiritual collapse of Western civilization.

We've allowed the shitweasel "elites" and their mouthpieces to lead us into sacrificing ourselves and/or our children as cannon fodder for endless wars based on total bullshit.

Escobar: The 'Doomsday Clock' Is Speeding Up | ZeroHedge

"Oil price in this case would rise to possibly thousands of dollars a barrel according to Goldman Sachs oil derivative experts – and that would crash the entire world economy.

This is arguably the foremost NATO Achilles Heel. Almost without firing a shot a Russia-Iran alliance could smash NATO to bits and bring down assorted EU governments as socio-economic chaos runs rampant across the collective West.

Meanwhile, to quote Dylan, darkness keeps dawning at the break of noon. Straussian neo-con and neoliberal-con psychos will keep pushing the Doomsday Clock closer and closer to midnight."

The New York Times is Orwell’s Ministry of Truth

"Everything in the editorial is disingenuous. Simple propaganda: the good guys against the bad guys. Putin another Hitler. The good guys are winning, just as they did in Vietnam, until reality dawned and it had to be admitted they weren’t (and didn’t). History is repeating itself."

 

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[Mosinitis]

They are doing the same routine with F16 fighter jets now. Poland says it will give them to Ukraine if U.S. agrees or something like that. Retired generals are all over media pushing the necessity of sending F16's.

Inching closer to WWIII with nuclear finale.

 

[GOPerfect]

They are doing the same routine with F16 fighter jets now. Poland says it will give them to Ukraine if U.S. agrees or something like that. Retired generals are all over media pushing the necessity of sending F16's.

Inching closer to WWIII with nuclear finale.

Russian State media is saying the Russians should give Nukes to Iran due to the Israeli bombing runs.

 

[Mosinitis]

Russian State media is saying the Russians should give Nukes to Iran due to the Israeli bombing runs.

They can also share advanced rocket technology with N. Korea. There is probably a lot of back and forth threats between Moscow and Washington going on behind the scene.

 

[Acer-m14]

they want a Nuke war . ... but Nuke power plants for electric is bad ..

 

[livingston]

Listen to the 58:00 mark folks ... Graft involved with our money...​

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Untold Reality Of Wagner Group In Bakhmut Ukraine | First Hand Account, What The Media Wont Tell You​

Ruzzias Infamous PMC Wagner group has been working in the east of Ukraine primarily around Bakhmut where some of the fiercest fighting is taking place, With post sides taking heavy casualties.

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4 days ago
Wow, this is probably the most revealing interview about Ukraine I've seen yet. The stories and level of corruption reminds me so much of Vietnam, except Russia ain't no Vietcong, what a dumpster fire.

 

[Arjuna]

Putin's Ally On How To Force West To Negotiate — Position Hypersonic Missiles To Hit US In 5 Minutes

 

[tirwin1]

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Do you think the people in this video are angry enough to vote republican? I am doubtful. My guess is if you asked these people they would still respond that "republicans are evil." Maybe, maybe not.

 

[tirwin1]

Interesting. Ukraine apparently better force the russians to seek a cease fire soon because we won't be able to supply them indefinitely. In fact our own ability to wage war is being affected.

 

[Defilade]

Remember when Nato involved Poland was hit by a missile and Ukraine tried to blame it on Russia in an attempt to start World War 3 but then they were caught red handed and had to pretend like it was an accident? Reminiscent of releasing a virus and blaming another country, isn't it?
This is called a false flag and the CIA and the deep state have been causing false flag events for decades without the sheep realizing it.
If you are not unplugged from the Matrix, you'll continue to accept their magic tricks and go along with their schemes.

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