Is "Constitutional Carry" safe & smart?

[2WheelGnnr]

Everyones Idea these days of..... Common sense is a moving target!!! Sliding scale...what makes sense to one does not the other?!! I think the what the left thinks is common sense is a little different than what pro 2a (legal citizens) think?!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

[US RIFLE M1A]

Maine handles it well; they have Constitutional carry but a LTC gives you added benefits. For instance, national and state park carry, and not having to inform an officer during a traffic stop. I maintain a Maine license, but do not sweat it if it expires and I do not renew it right away.

They do require training for new licenses, or if your old one is expired for a while. I use my armed security 8 hour refresher as proof of training.

 

[DoOver]

 

[JRtraderny]

It should be equally difficult as it is to vote, exercise free expression and own guns. Each one shares equal levels of responsibility and they are all capable of extreme harm.

If it's determined that gun owners need to jump through these hoops, then so should voters and those who wish to express opinions. They should have comparable hurdles to jump over proving they are of sound mind and good judgement.

Lord knows how much irreparable harm has been done to this country by low IQ voters and those who spread slanderous and vile ideals.

I find it hard to understand as I believe you do that the only right that seems to need training and a license is the one that is enshrined in the 2nd amendment . If that right requires training and licensing then the 1st amendment and voting should require it also .

 

[DoOver]

...Judge, Jury and Executioner.

 

[BMF JK]

Training should be promoted not required . A requirement set forth by government can become moving goal posts .

 

[Jmac00]

"Constitutional Carry", are laws that allow anyone who can pass a NICS check any buy a handgun, to carry that handgun concealed/unconcealed with no further training, certification or permit required.

Personally, I 100% support the right of law abiding adults citizens to carry concealed weapons for protection, in public.

However, I prefer that such people KNOW the law regarding self-defense in their state. And I prefer that they actually KNOW how to use a handgun in self defense.

I see nothing wrong with requiring a class to educate gun owners on the laws of self defense in their state. Sadly many folks are totally ignorant of such laws, and think its legal to shoot people in situations that are actually NOT legal, and can get you thrown in jail for a long time. I see nothing wrong with requiring a 2 hour, or 3 hour, or whatever hour class is required to fully instruct the legalities of lethal self defense in their state, and an exam to make sure they get it.

And a 1 hour field test to make sure they know how to load and shoot a handgun safely.

Again, I know many folks believe that such training is NOT required by the Constitution. I get that. But that's not my question. My question is, is such training SMART? And I think it is.

This is NOT about undo burdens upon gun owners. Im talking class times only long enough to sufficiently teach these things. Not 35 hour courses. Minimal time frames. I cant imagine it would take more than say 4 hours to educate folks on self defense law.

How many lives might this save? How many good people might be kept out of prison? I say 1 a year is good enough for me.

And price? Should all be funded by the govt. Including the classes, the permit and the ammo.

sure, lets make everyone take a course, then what? YOU get the Cunty whorchuls of the world, who decided, "oh, thats not enough, you need a mental health evaluation, then you need to take a course in CPR, then you need a course in how to order wine at a restaurant ~~~see where this shit is going. mandatory anything from the .gov is no longer about freedom, its about control FUCK THATS SHIT

I am ungovernable

 

[Celt]

As soon as tests and training are required to vote, exercise free speech, practice your religion or choice, etc... is required then we can talk.... oh wait, itll be too late then.

 

[Darth]

I don't agree with the NICS check, let alone anything farther.

What government required training that currently exists can you point to and say "yeah, you know what, that's a good example of them making us safer."?

 

[REF]

Sorry to beat a dead horse, but again, if you cannot be trusted with a firearm, you should not be in society.
If you’re not incarcerated, you qualify, fucking period

 

[Acer-m14]

@JonStoh

meet my meme ..

 

[spat]

Yes I support limiting abortion to the point of viability and i support voter ID rules.

Excellent.

What do you consider "common sense" for gun laws then ?

And why do you think the "prior restraint" doctrine shouldn't apply ?

Bear in mind, a law will violate the 1A if it even has a "chilling effect" on speech without even outlawing it. Why should the 2A be treated any different ?

How would you feel about requiring states to use the same background check system for voting that they have for gun possession ?

 

[JonStoh]

Excellent.

What do you consider "common sense" for gun laws then ?

And why do you think the "prior restraint" doctrine shouldn't apply ?

Bear in mind, a law will violate the 1A if it even has a "chilling effect" on speech without even outlawing it. Why should the 2A be treated any different ?

How would you feel about requiring states to use the same background check system for voting that they have for gun possession ?

I believe some common sense gun laws include background checks and a test to make sure you understand the law regarding the use of deadly force in public and a test to make sure you actually know how to operate a gun safely.

 

[Zerex]

The Magna Carta gave people the right to carry swords for self defense that the Kings tried to remove.

The right to self defense goes back to the Neanderthals, who certainly believed in self defense, the same way the primitive Clinton's keep killing off their enemies.

No one needed training to carry a club or mace or sword or bow and arrow and use them.
The battle of Hastings in 1066 had exactly ZERO, state trained and licensed weapons holders.

The founders knew what to write in the BOR--as the Brits at Lexington and Concord, and before, tried to take the arms from the people.

This training requirement is stupid and is intended to disqualify gun owners, not train them. Kavanaugh suggested that it might be legal, but never said it was mandatory.

Like cops being required to issue a certain jumber of tickets,,,the trainers are expected to disqualify 40%.

The DNC does not want you to be armed,because it keeps the BLM and illegals from simply storming your homes, and taking over........... safely.

It is pure communism on its face...redistribution of wealth with safety, is the reason she wrote it.

 

[Bustedknees]

Training should be promoted not required . A requirement set forth by government can become moving goal posts .

Ya! they should offer up some FREE pamphlets, FREE Education, FREE training, FREE shooting schools then piss off when someone say's no thanks, I'm good.

 

[Darth]

I believe some common sense gun laws include background checks and a test to make sure you understand the law regarding the use of deadly force in public and a test to make sure you actually know how to operate a gun safely.

I don't possess such sense, so I guess it's not really "common."

 

[Celt]

Training should be promoted not required . A requirement set forth by government can become moving goal posts .

absolutely, should be tax deductable, or offered for free. certainly not mandated/required.

I believe some common sense gun laws include background checks and a test to make sure you understand the law regarding the use of deadly force in public and a test to make sure you actually know how to operate a gun safely.

you clearly don't understand what a "right" is. do you support a "poll tax"?

its a great idea for people to know the laws, understand the use of dpf, etc... but the second you say it should be required in order to exercise the right you lose me. although from the moment you say "common sense gun laws" you sound like a leftist shill.

 

[Willyone]

Considering all the whack jobs, crime, and criminals on the streets, I believe a background check to obtain a firearm is a good thing because it will deter some of the bad guys from getting guns. Obviously it won't stop all of them, but at least some. But the problem is, the government abuses their authority when it comes to those checks. They make it a bull shit process.

A class including some range training is ok with me too before a person is able to get a gun, especially a pistol. My father was an avid hunter and a hunter safety instructor. So being brought up with and taught about guns I learned gun safety from an early age. That's not the case for a lot, or most people. But again, the government entities abuse their authority and make it a bull shit process.

I don't have any answers or solutions. The only thing I can think of is to vote in local elections and hope to keep as many libs out of office as possible.

 

[dsdmmat]

Considering all the whack jobs, crime, and criminals on the streets, I believe a background check to obtain a firearm is a good thing because it will deter some of the bad guys from getting guns. Obviously it won't stop all of them, but at least some. But the problem is, the government abuses their authority when it comes to those checks. They make it a bull shit process.

A class including some range training is ok with me too before a person is able to get a gun, especially a pistol. My father was an avid hunter and a hunter safety instructor. So being brought up with and taught about guns I learned gun safety from an early age. That's not the case for a lot, or most people. But again, the government entities abuse their authority and make it a bull shit process.

I don't have any answers or solutions. The only thing I can think of is to vote in local elections and hope to keep as many libs out of office as possible.

Please don’t talk to the press ever. You will be held up as an example of an expert gun owners for reasonable gun control.
Where as we need experts in constitutional law that can identify what “shall not be infringed,” means.

 

[tirwin1]

Jesus Christ what is wrong with you guys. Any type of required class will be used to infringe upon our gun rights. How can you not see that? Responsible gun owners will educate themselves. Criminals will not.

 

[meketrefe]

Anything "constitutional" is as safe and smart as the citizens under that constitution. ...So... we are fvcked.

 

[Jsmegs77]

New Yorkers have this evil brand of Stockholm Syndrome… after so many years of having fundamental rights infringed, they start to justify it and cast aspersions on other Americans who don’t have the same infringements held over their head.

Any and all “gun control” is infringement. If a person is not trustworthy with arms they should not be in free society. You cannot justify infringing on everyone else with “Well, someone bad might do something”. You also cannot preemptively guess that a particular person or class of people may do something wrong at some point, and issue restrictions based upon that presumption. The standard is “The right to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed”, and those who prove unworthy of that responsibility must be punished according to their actions.

 

[DoOver]

 

[repete]

Please don’t talk to the press ever. You will be held up as an example of an expert gun owners for reasonable gun control.
Where as we need experts in constitutional law that can identify what “shall not be infringed,” means.

Nicely said!

 

[GOPerfect]

I will opine here as well. None of the following is sarcasm, all true beliefs of mine.

I am in favor of no gun law. None. I do not believe in the government setting rules of where I can carry a gun, how I carry it or what I can carry.

I am 100% against a mandatory background check to buy, own or carry a gun.

I am 100% against the entire pistol permit process.

I am 100% against the government telling Americans who can and who cannot carry a firearm. All American Citizens have the Right to bear arms, not just some of them.

I do not agree with mandatory training. None at all.

Every idea the government has in regards to guns in the US is an infringement as well as an undue burden.

 

[GOPerfect]

I believe some common sense gun laws include background checks and a test to make sure you understand the law regarding the use of deadly force in public and a test to make sure you actually know how to operate a gun safely.

Use of physical and deadly force....

Justification of the Use of Force; Article 35.

I study this Article quite a bit. We do classes on this every time we go to the range for work. I consider myself well read in this Article and I still do not fully understand it. How is someone that reads it a few times supposed to be able to comprehend this and all of the laws of the State when Police Officers, DA's and Judges do not?

 

[GOPerfect]

Considering all the whack jobs, crime, and criminals on the streets, I believe a background check to obtain a firearm is a good thing because it will deter some of the bad guys from getting guns. Obviously it won't stop all of them, but at least some. But the problem is, the government abuses their authority when it comes to those checks. They make it a bull shit process.

A class including some range training is ok with me too before a person is able to get a gun, especially a pistol. My father was an avid hunter and a hunter safety instructor. So being brought up with and taught about guns I learned gun safety from an early age. That's not the case for a lot, or most people. But again, the government entities abuse their authority and make it a bull shit process.

I don't have any answers or solutions. The only thing I can think of is to vote in local elections and hope to keep as many libs out of office as possible.

So, you do not understand or respect the US Constitution either? I ask this all the time to those that do not respect all of the Peoples Rights, should these demands and checks and training be required for the other Rights found in the US Constitution? If not, why?

 

[Friedland]

So, you do not understand or respect the US Constitution either? I ask this all the time to those that do not respect all of the Peoples Rights, should these demands and checks and training be required for the other Rights found in the US Constitution? If not, why?

Can you kill people with a mail-in ballot?

 

[BMF JK]

Can you kill people with a mail-in ballot?

Far worse you can kill a whole country .

 

[Jmac00]

Considering all the whack jobs, crime, and criminals on the streets, I believe a background check to obtain a firearm is a good thing because it will deter some of the bad guys from getting guns. Obviously it won't stop all of them, but at least some. But the problem is, the government abuses their authority when it comes to those checks. They make it a bull shit process.

A class including some range training is ok with me too before a person is able to get a gun, especially a pistol. My father was an avid hunter and a hunter safety instructor. So being brought up with and taught about guns I learned gun safety from an early age. That's not the case for a lot, or most people. But again, the government entities abuse their authority and make it a bull shit process.

I don't have any answers or solutions. The only thing I can think of is to vote in local elections and hope to keep as many libs out of office as possible.

you have got to be shitting me???? please explain how this brilliant piece of dribble will stop a criminal. You actually think a criminal is going to go to the local gun store and buy a gun???and how many LAW ABIDING have bought a gun, and then went out and shot-up a mall or grocery store???

BGC DON'T WORK, period.

Let me give you an example of how well a BGC works: I went to Beikirch's to buy a 22cal pistol for my wife, now, I have had a NY PP for 20 years at this point. Dave called it in, gave them all the info, and it came back DENIED? Was like? WTF? dave said. Don't panic, give it 5 minutes. 5 minutes later Dave called it in AGAIN.....approved?

Ya BGC are a wonderful tool, to waste everyone time. Its utter bullshit