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Things are heating up in Taiwan
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If things go south we have their money. They have our notes. If we repudiate the debt we keep their money and they use the notes as wallpaper. An extreme move but similar to the old bank loan problem. If you owe the bank $10,000 and you can't pay that's your problem. If you owe them $500 million and can't pay it's the bank's problem lol.
I am okay with this.
In order for this World to mend, we need to have a serious crash. Yes, I really do believe this.
meketrefe
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It depends who you ask.
The United states was not recognized until we made sure the British got the memo.
What Is Taiwan’s Legal Status According to International Law, Japan, and the US? - The News Lens International Edition
Legally, Taiwan is a piece of territory that was "never returned" properly. What roles have Japan and the United States played historically?
international.thenewslens.com
holdover
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It depends who you ask.
The United states was not recognized until we made sure the British got the memo.
What Is Taiwan’s Legal Status According to International Law, Japan, and the US? - The News Lens International Edition
Legally, Taiwan is a piece of territory that was "never returned" properly. What roles have Japan and the United States played historically?
Who are you asking? The US, China, and Taiwan do not recognize Taiwan as an independent state.
Your Source:
According to the current Constitution, the definition of ROC territories still includes mainland China. From the international law standpoint, Taiwan and Beijing are still maintaining the relationship of “one country, two governments.” James Crawford, the author of The Creation of States in International Law, also denied Taiwan as an independent country in his book as Taiwan has never explicitly claimed independence.
"One country, two systems" is a constitutional principle of the People's Republic of China (PRC) describing the governance of the special administrative regions of Hong Kong and Macau.
The constitutional principle was formulated in the early 1980s during negotiations over Hong Kong between China and the United Kingdom. It provided that there would be only one China, but that these regions could retain their own economic and administrative systems, while the rest of Mainland China uses the socialism with Chinese characteristics system. Under the principle, each of the two regions could continue to have its own governmental system, legal, economic and financial affairs, including trade relations with foreign countries, all of which are independent from those of the Mainland. The PRC has also proposed to apply the principle in the unification it aims for with Taiwan.
Does one country, two systems apply to Taiwan?
It both upholds China's state sovereignty and takes into full account the specific conditions of Taiwan. According to the concept of "one country, two systems", two systems will be practiced within the sovereign state of the People's Republic of China.
Does the US recognize Taiwan independence?
In keeping with its China policy, the U.S. does not support de jure Taiwan independence, but it does support Taiwan's membership in appropriate international organizations, such as the World Trade Organization, Asia-Pacific Economic Cooperation (APEC) forum, and the Asian Development Bank, where statehood is not a ...
meketrefe
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Taiwan has their own military and defense and civilian readiness plans to fight any Chinese take over or sovereignty claims.
Taiwan is not Chinese nor two systems anymore.
spat
.950 JDJ
There is only one China at the moment. China has been a single country since before WWII.
The question is, is it run by the Chinese government we allied with to fight the Japanese in WWII that is currently based in Taiwain, or is it run by the communist rebels in Beijing.
This is very much like the situation that existed in the US during between 1861 and 1865.
Imagine if that war had settled into some stalemate for half a century, where the south refused to surrender, and the north refused to recognize them.
That's what the Taiwain situation looks like.
spat
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Your dog is a very astute student of politics.
spat
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Taiwain is China.
Not that the communist Chinese own them, but that they are the OG Chinese and the guys on the Mainland are the rebel upstarts.
spat
.950 JDJ
And with sufficient inflation (that we control) those notes won't be worth the paper they're printed on.
That would be encouraging if we stopped borrowing money from them.
spat
.950 JDJ
We'll borrow as much as they'll lend.
We have no intention of paying it back long term.
The SVB collapse was basically because they tied too many of their assets up in government bonds, and inflation rose higher than the interest was paying on those.
Same thing will happen to China.
Our economy is going go burn to the ground sooner or later, but we'll take the whole world with us.
You may be right. But the timing is key.
holdover
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ok. Just show me the documents where they declared Independence from the mainland
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holdover
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Its run by both with an understanding that they belong to China. They never declared their Independence of China.
The point of the US backing Taiwan is because of the massive investments of Wall st there, the control of the chip market. The sea lanes
Now if the US actually told the fucking truth and said this is a national security issue for the the US (Like Russia did) That We allowed wall st to source out our chip industry for massive profits even though it endangered the US , They might have something. But dont try to sell me this nationalist red white and blue democracy/Independence bullshit . Im a big kid now. Seems clear our national security is threatened because Wall st was allowed to out source production to China. Wall st investments are at risk too. the CNN version that Taiwan is an independent country is nonsense . We have US troops in Taiwan against the wishes of the Chinese government, and were sending more , US troops on Chinese soil.
Would the US tolerate that? China has a legitimate gripe. and I hate to side with the commie bastards.
Our Weapons and Munitions supplies are down, and what is being made is going to the Ukraine Security Assistance Initiative... wonder what the "Big Guy's" commission is on that deal?May as well create a similar thread for this topic.
Blinken believes China is speeding up plans for unification:
China-Taiwan: Beijing speeding up plans for unification, Blinken says
The US Secretary of State said China could employ 'forceful means' to achieve its objective.www.bbc.com
With our stocks depleted by Ukraine the US may consider joint weapons production with Taiwan:
ZeroHedge
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New US export rules limit chip sales to china:
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U.S. aims to hobble China's chip industry with sweeping new export rules
The rules could force American and foreign companies that use U.S. technology to cut off support for some of China's leading factories and chip designers.www.reuters.com
So we limit critical chip sales to China, which forces them to contemplate moving sooner rather than later. Our near term ability to supply Taiwan with weapons is limited, which also provides an incentive to act now. Will they do it?
spat
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You mean the one where the Mainland revolted against the nationalists ?
Taiwain was China *before* the communists existed. They don't need to decare independence for the same reason that the union didn't need to decare independence from the confederacy.
Chinese Communist Revolution - Wikipedia
spat
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No, neither decared independence, because *both* claim to be *the* China. Taiwan's claim is the earlier one.
It was the Mainland that declared Independence from Chiang Kai-shek's government.
The fight is over who *is* China, not whether Taiwain is independent.
It's like Korea. When did North Korea declare independence from the south, or was it the south that decared independence from the north ?
If you look at the actual names of the countries *both* Koreas claim to be *the* Korea, and both China's claim to be *the* China.
holdover
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Well I guess they have irreconcilable differences then. I see them as a separatist state , you see them as an independent nation.
spat
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When did they separate ?
They are the original China. It's the Mainland that separated.
Just like the Koreas. Which one is the "real" Korea?
It's not the rebels in the north.
Would it be more clear if we called them North China and South China ?
Would be interesting to see who was behind renaming the Chinese government to "Taiwain" in the western press. That's not what they have ever called themselves.
Imagine if international press called the confederacy "America" and the union "New England", and everyone was asking when New England declared Independence from America ?
That's what happened in China.
holdover
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When they refused to reunify ?
John Stark
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Like other communist regimes, the Chicoms have no legitimacy whatsoever. They came to power through brutal violence and terror, just like the Nazis, the Soviets, Khmer Rouge, the North Korean regime, the Castro regime in Cuba, the Chavez/Maduro regime in Venezuela, and so on.
On the other hand, Taiwan has a stable representative government, a good amount of political and personal freedom for its people, an economy that is not based on forced or slave labor, a decent system of education that is based mostly on merit rather than totalitarian threat of force to toe the party line, and so on.
Taiwan is not perfect, any more than other nations are. But they are not a brutal, repressive regime that butchers and enslaves its own people and the people of nations around them.
No government is legitimate that forces its people to go along with whatever they are told under the threat of being repressed and murdered by its own government.
The United States should have never done business with any repressive regimes. Forget about principle for one moment, and consider the matter from a position of practical politics. What have we have gained from aligning with China?
Nothing. All we have done is allow them to turn our nation into a piggy bank to be plundered and given them access to our trade, tech, education, and so on. What have we gotten for it? Cheap junk made by slaves that we could make ourselves, or buy from better nations that would have engaged with us on a more honest basis.
Further, China has influenced the culture and politics of the US far beyond any influence we have ever had upon them. We should have never normalized relations with them in any way, and if it hadn't been for our traitor politicians for the last 60+ years, we wouldn't be in the position we are in today.
China ought to be as much of a pariah on the world stage as the Hermit Kingdom. They aren't because we let them think they had a place at the table, and our eunuch politicos have sold our nation out to the Dragon for a few pieces of silver.
Fuck China.
On the other hand, Taiwan has a stable representative government, a good amount of political and personal freedom for its people, an economy that is not based on forced or slave labor, a decent system of education that is based mostly on merit rather than totalitarian threat of force to toe the party line, and so on.
Taiwan is not perfect, any more than other nations are. But they are not a brutal, repressive regime that butchers and enslaves its own people and the people of nations around them.
No government is legitimate that forces its people to go along with whatever they are told under the threat of being repressed and murdered by its own government.
The United States should have never done business with any repressive regimes. Forget about principle for one moment, and consider the matter from a position of practical politics. What have we have gained from aligning with China?
Nothing. All we have done is allow them to turn our nation into a piggy bank to be plundered and given them access to our trade, tech, education, and so on. What have we gotten for it? Cheap junk made by slaves that we could make ourselves, or buy from better nations that would have engaged with us on a more honest basis.
Further, China has influenced the culture and politics of the US far beyond any influence we have ever had upon them. We should have never normalized relations with them in any way, and if it hadn't been for our traitor politicians for the last 60+ years, we wouldn't be in the position we are in today.
China ought to be as much of a pariah on the world stage as the Hermit Kingdom. They aren't because we let them think they had a place at the table, and our eunuch politicos have sold our nation out to the Dragon for a few pieces of silver.
Fuck China.
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spat
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To reunify they would have to already be separate.
So that can obviously not be when they separated.
meketrefe
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...were do I send them?
holdover
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holdover
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You should have been a lawyer.
You know what happened, the governments spilt, but the country didn't, they both considered themselves China even though the governments were separate.
Its fucked up because Officially they are the same country , but unofficially they are separate. the UN does not recognize them as a seperate country . China and Taiwan dont recognize themselves as a separate country. but the governments are separate. Its weird.