Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

Russia supported and assisted this country after 9/11 attacks, despite U.S role in Soviet war in Afghanistan. U.S. responded by siding with Chechen separatists.

The US role in Afghanistan was shortly after the Soviet role in Vietnam, let's not forget about that.

Even as far back as WWII we were uneasy allies at best.

Russia's problem is that they can't accept the fact that the Soviet Union was a superpower, but Russia is not.

Russia's place on the world stage in the 21st century is on par with Germany or Japan, at best.

They need to learn to let go of the idea that they are a superpower the way that the UK did. Once they do that, then they can thrive.

 

[Robin]

I pretty much agree with you Spat, but as you know, the world is a dynamic place full of nuance and for a brief period there was a very good chance to completely melt the remnants of the iron curtain, but then our corrupt progressive one world government traitors stepped in.
Robin

 

[tirwin1]

Exactly how does the Pentagon get to make this decision?

 

[Mosinitis]

The US role in Afghanistan was shortly after the Soviet role in Vietnam, let's not forget about that.

Even as far back as WWII we were uneasy allies at best.

Russia's problem is that they can't accept the fact that the Soviet Union was a superpower, but Russia is not.

Russia's place on the world stage in the 21st century is on par with Germany or Japan, at best.

They need to learn to let go of the idea that they are a superpower the way that the UK did. Once they do that, then they can thrive.

Unlike U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, Russia didn't need to go back to Vietnam to clean up the mess it created in a first place.

If Russia wasn't a superpower, NATO would already eat it up and spit it out. Although Ukraine invasion was initially poorly planned and executed, the war in Ukraine showed weaknesses of NATO's equipment and tactics. As it stands Russia is winning the biggest war since WWII and only using a fraction of able bodied man to fight the war. NATO had their ass handed to them in Afghanistan by third rate poorly equipped militias.

 

[Steal2B]

Exactly how does the Pentagon get to make this decision?

Budgetary Spending discretion. They will skimp somewhere critical for our defense to keep the money laundering flowing in the Ukrainian wash cycle

 

[Bigfoot]

FWIW... This is a must watch IMHO - 12:00 video.

 

[Defilade]

FWIW... This is a must watch IMHO - 12:00 video.

Well..... A representative with common sense and brains! Kudos to Rand Paul! Anyone in support of Ukraine can send their own money over there or better yet pick up a rifle and get on the front lines otherwise STFU! Stop steeling other peoples money!

 

[Acer-m14]

all politicians will now have to register there kids in the Ukraine War Draft ..

 

[spat]

Unlike U.S. involvement in Afghanistan, Russia didn't need to go back to Vietnam to clean up the mess it created in a first place.

If Russia wasn't a superpower, NATO would already eat it up and spit it out. Although Ukraine invasion was initially poorly planned and executed, the war in Ukraine showed weaknesses of NATO's equipment and tactics. As it stands Russia is winning the biggest war since WWII and only using a fraction of able bodied man to fight the war. NATO had their ass handed to them in Afghanistan by third rate poorly equipped militias.

Wow, what color is the sky in your world ?

In what way do you suggest *we* created a mess in Vietnam ? If you remember, we took over from the French after the whole mess was already in full swing.

You seriously think Russia is a superpower ?

They can't even beat Ukraine LOL.

Their economy is half the size of California.

They are such a world power that they are currently buying arms and ammunition from *North Korea*.

They've lost half their black sea fleet, including the flagship, in a land war, against a country with no navy. That honestly makes their showing in the Russo-Japanese war not look quite so bad.

Textbooks will be written about this war, and they are not going to look kindly on the Russian showing in it LOL.

*if* Nato got involved, it's not hyperbole to suggest they would destroy every Russian vehicle in Ukraine in a week. The only reason NATO doesn't "eat it up and spit it out" is that they don't want to have to deal with the power vacuum afterwards.

That was the lesson we learned from Iraq, it doesn't matter if you can blitz their entire military in a week, the hard part is dealing with the mess afterwards, and *nobody* wants to have to clean up the disaster that is Russia.

Russia's constant posturing that NATO is a threat to them is equivalent to the ravings of the homeless guy living in the woods near the army base. They're not a threat, and the only reason they don't remove him, is that then they'd have to take care of him LOL.

 

[tirwin1]

They've lost half their black sea fleet, including the flagship, in a land war, against a country with no navy. That honestly makes their showing in the Russo-Japanese war not look quite so bad.

Ouch. That's going to leave a mark.

 

[Acer-m14]

They can't even beat Ukraine LOL.

Russia can't beat Ukraine ..

well lets dump all the money and weapons we and NATO dumped into to Ukraine to Russia too

lets have a fair fight ..

 

[spat]

Russia can't beat Ukraine ..

well lets dump all the money and weapons we and NATO dumped into to Ukraine to Russia too

lets have a fair fight ..

Admittedly they could beat Ukraine if they had no assistance.

But, to be fair, the sort of assistance NATO is supplying Ukraine kinda reminds me of what the sponsors in hunger games provide the contestants.

It's not *real* aid to help them win, it's more like "we like this show, and don't want it to end yet".

The west is literally toying with Russia and they are using Ukraine and the Ukranians as the game pieces.

Honestly, I find it disgusting. I don't think we should abandon Ukraine to the Russians. Their ambitions needed to be stopped a long time ago.

What's disgusting is that we *didn’t* just end it quickly.

We could have absolutely ended the entire Russian military anytime we wanted, with minimal casualties. Picture the air component of Desert Storm, but played where that stuff was all staged and designed to work, not where it was hastily relocated thousands of miles away to.

Literally a week, and Russia wouldn't have anything more sophisticated than a tricycle west of Moscow.

Honestly, I think there are only 2 reasons we haven't.

One is that we're afraid Ukraine or Poland would rush in and take the place in the vacuum, and we'd be stuck with that mess.

The other is that would end the largest money laundering operation the world has ever seen.

 

[Mosinitis]

Wow, what color is the sky in your world ?

In what way do you suggest *we* created a mess in Vietnam ? If you remember, we took over from the French after the whole mess was already in full swing.

You seriously think Russia is a superpower ?

They can't even beat Ukraine LOL.

Their economy is half the size of California.

They are such a world power that they are currently buying arms and ammunition from *North Korea*.

They've lost half their black sea fleet, including the flagship, in a land war, against a country with no navy. That honestly makes their showing in the Russo-Japanese war not look quite so bad.

Textbooks will be written about this war, and they are not going to look kindly on the Russian showing in it LOL.

*if* Nato got involved, it's not hyperbole to suggest they would destroy every Russian vehicle in Ukraine in a week. The only reason NATO doesn't "eat it up and spit it out" is that they don't want to have to deal with the power vacuum afterwards.

That was the lesson we learned from Iraq, it doesn't matter if you can blitz their entire military in a week, the hard part is dealing with the mess afterwards, and *nobody* wants to have to clean up the disaster that is Russia.

Russia's constant posturing that NATO is a threat to them is equivalent to the ravings of the homeless guy living in the woods near the army base. They're not a threat, and the only reason they don't remove him, is that then they'd have to take care of him LOL.

Vietnam became a vibrant country. Soviet involvement had a positive outcome. Afghanistan is a basket case as a result of American involvement. That was the point. Ukraine is headed in the same direction.

The war in Ukraine is between the Russians. NATO would cut and run long before the casualty rate would approach Ukrainian numbers.
Russia is a nuclear superpower. It cannot be defeated in an all out war.

Wake up, Uncle Sam: Is the US military ready to take on Russia and China?

30 years after achieving total dominance, has the Ukraine conflict exposed the limits of American power?

www.rt.com

 

[spat]

Vietnam became a vibrant country. Soviet involvement had a positive outcome. Afghanistan is a basket case as a result of American involvement. That was the point. Ukraine is headed in the same direction.

The war in Ukraine is between the Russians. NATO would cut and run long before the casualty rate would approach Ukrainian numbers.
Russia is a nuclear superpower. It cannot be defeated in an all out war.

Wake up, Uncle Sam: Is the US military ready to take on Russia and China?

30 years after achieving total dominance, has the Ukraine conflict exposed the limits of American power?

www.rt.com

LOL, sure, the Soviets saved Vietnam LOL.

Just like China did wonders for the North Koreans too, lucky bastards. If it weren't for all the communist help they might have ended up like their poor southern cousins LOL.

By what measure do you think Russia is a superpower ? Just that they still control a bunch of old soviet weapons ?

The Russian GDP is smaller than France, it's half the size of Germany. There are 3 US *states* each with a larger GDP than Russia. So, no way are they an economic superpower. It's hard to be any other sort of superpower without an economy to drive it.

They did loot all of the Ukranian weapons after the fall of the Soviet union, I'll give you that. Dumbest move the Ukranians ever made giving them up. Imagine what things would look like today if they hadn't LOL.

Their military is getting it's ass handed to it by a backwater like Ukraine using NATO's scrap parts.

A super power can project military force anywhere on earth. Russia is struggling 100 miles from their own border.

A cultural superpower ? Certainly not. If you ask most people on earth for an example of Russian culture you'll get nesting dolls, or something that's actual a caricature from American culture LOL.

The most famous Russian in entertainment world wide these days is Scarlett Johannsen LOL.

There are at least half a dozen countries with a better claim of "superpower" than Russia, and only one that actually meets any of the requirements (with one working on it).


As for NATO cutting and running, you don't seem to understand the scale of the issue. The casualty ratio would be such that NATO would barely notice.

It would literally make Desert Storm look like an evenly matched fight.

And I'll remind you Afghanistan was a vibrant country before the *Soviets* went in in the 80s. The US misadventure there for the last 2 decades just proves you can't build a nation without having the balls to really eliminate the old power structures.

 

[Mosinitis]

Soviet Legacy in North Korea




American Legacy in Afghanistan.

 

[spat]

Soviet Legacy in North Korea




American Legacy in Afghanistan.

LoL, wow.

Yep, those Norks are sure better off thanks to the Soviets LOL.

We may have failed to rebuild Afghanistan, but at least life for a lot of Afghans was better when we were there than after we left.

If you remember, one of the major complaints was that we *left too many friends behind*.

Not sure there were too many people in Afghanistan that were sad to see the Soviets leave....

 

[JaguarJaguarGolf]

Budgetary Spending discretion. They will skimp somewhere critical for our defense to keep the money laundering flowing in the Ukrainian wash cycle

Take it out of the generals’ pay.

 

[Defilade]

 

[tirwin1]

Soviet Legacy in North Korea




American Legacy in Afghanistan.

You are now lost in self parody. This post is ridiculous, even for you.

 

[Mosinitis]

You are now lost in self parody. This post is ridiculous, even for you.

Правда глаза колит.

 

[Mosinitis]

Neither Democrats, nor Republicans, nor Trump will go against mapped out foreign policy even if the majority of the public turn against it. They will knock what Biden is doing, but will continue the same policy when elected. This has been the case time after time.

Fucking grifters will say, they will not do this or do that to buy time, but will do it anyway.
NATO enlargements, arms shipments, Minsk agreements, tanks, jets, long range missiles.

One of the Russian Czars once said, Russia has only two friends it can count on. Russian army and Russian navy.

 

[tirwin1]

Правда глаза колит.

I bet it does.

 

[Bigfoot]

Правда глаза колит.

I had to look that up. If I got the translation correct. - The truth hurts.

Just thought I'd mention it.
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[ArmedCorgi]

I had to look that up. If I got the translation correct. - The truth hurts.

Just thought I'd mention it.
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This is what I got:

Which also makes sense. Hurts to see.

 

[Mosinitis]

I had to look that up. If I got the translation correct. - The truth hurts.

Just thought I'd mention it.
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It's an idiom that doesn't have English equivalent. It is told to someone who can't handle the truth.

 

[Mosinitis]

Canadian Parlament gives a standing ovation to 98 year old veteran of the 1st Galician Waffen SS division, honoring him as a fighter for Ukrainian independence, during Zelensky visit.

Canadian parliament speaker ‘regrets’ honoring Ukrainian Nazi SS veteran

The speaker of Canada’s parliament has apologized for honoring a Ukrainian veteran of the German Waffen SS

www.rt.com

 

[tirwin1]

It's an idiom that doesn't have English equivalent. It is told to someone who can't handle the truth.

The translation I found was "it really hurts my eyes".

I'm certain the truth does for you. The pinnacle of russian/Korean contact is a stupid violin concert to you. Nothing about the history of dictatorship, famine and repression. So yes I imagine the truth hurts your eyes. Assuming you have any intellectual integrity. A very big assumption I realize.

 

[Mosinitis]

The translation I found was "it really hurts my eyes".

I'm certain the truth does for you. The pinnacle of russian/Korean contact is a stupid violin concert to you. Nothing about the history of dictatorship, famine and repression. So yes I imagine the truth hurts your eyes. Assuming you have any intellectual integrity. A very big assumption I realize.

Go away asshole and take your globalist propaganda with you.

 

[tirwin1]

Go away asshole.

And miss the opportunity to hold you accountable for your nonsense? Never. It's simply too much fun. Please, please keep posting your bullshit comrade.

 

[Mosinitis]

And miss the opportunity to hold you accountable for your nonsense? Never. It's simply too much fun. Please, please keep posting your bullshit comrade.

Placing economic sanctions on a small country and blame problems it creates on its leadership is a tired old trick. Not to mention expenditures they need to have on defense against looming aggression.