Israel: 'State of war' declared after thousands of rockets fired from Gaza Strip

[holdover]

International law is not quite as concrete as national law.

And nobody's stopping you from questioning things. We're just saying your particular brand of moral equivalency is problematic.

It really smells a lot like the leftist notion that because Isreal is far stronger, they *must* be the bad guys.

No thats not the case at all. What I am doing, and most of you are not, is being impartial as possible. Thats being taken as Im pro Hamas , which is pretty laughable . Were all sitting in a court room and the prosecution has laid out its case and your ready to come back with a guilty verdict without ever haveing heard the defense 's case. The case is bought to us by the mass media which is dishonest and has an agenda . The same mass media that brought us covid 19 and vaccinations , the same one which brought us Jan 6 , WMD's, George floyed riots, gun control .

Yet you swallow every word of it . wrongs have been committed on both sides , It was wrong for hamas to kill civilians and its wrong for Israel . the morality is applied equally. Im more lenient with Isreal because I can understand their anger , killing 2 million people to solve the problem is a little hard to swallow

 

[holdover]

The real question is why do *you* think Isreal would intentionally target a civilian camp or hospital ?

I think the answer to that question says a lot about you.

I think it speaks to your own ignorance . Why would they drop white phosphorous on civilians ? why would they cut off water gas to civilians? could it be to send a fucking message that they wont tolerate this shit? could it be that they hate each other with a passion? to claim Isreal has no motive to do that after 1500 of thier own civilians were butchered is laughable. Hamas Showered them for a week with rockets and who knows how many more were killed. Give me a break man. if you dont understand the hate between these two sides you shouldn't even be commenting .

 

[kev74]

Hey, where's your proof? Hamas told me themselves they just targeted the military and not civilians. I heard it with my own ears. They wouldn't lie.

I believe the Hamas goat fornicator who said the equivalent of " We did it. We're going to keep doing it."

 

[Dr. Evil]

 

[Arjuna]

Netanyahu refuses temporary cease-fire, promises Israel will use ‘all of its power’ moments after meeting with Blinken who urged ‘humanitarian pause’

 

[Dr. Evil]

Netanyahu refuses temporary cease-fire, promises Israel will use ‘all of its power’ moments after meeting with Blinken who urged ‘humanitarian pause’

Humanitarian pause? Fuck Blinken. Maybe Blinken should sit down with Hamas and other terror groups and ask for a temporary pause from the barbarism instead. What a pathetic pussy puppet he is.

 

[fresch]

Next up we send $$$ of aid that will never be watched by the U.S.A..
To humus

 

[spat]

No thats not the case at all. What I am doing, and most of you are not, is being impartial as possible. Thats being taken as Im pro Hamas , which is pretty laughable . Were all sitting in a court room and the prosecution has laid out its case and your ready to come back with a guilty verdict without ever haveing heard the defense 's case. The case is bought to us by the mass media which is dishonest and has an agenda . The same mass media that brought us covid 19 and vaccinations , the same one which brought us Jan 6 , WMD's, George floyed riots, gun control .

Yet you swallow every word of it . wrongs have been committed on both sides , It was wrong for hamas to kill civilians and its wrong for Israel . the morality is applied equally. Im more lenient with Isreal because I can understand their anger , killing 2 million people to solve the problem is a little hard to swallow

There is literally no country in the middle east besides Isreal that gives a fuck what "international law" says about war.

The closest Hamas comes is they claimed that every Jew in Isreal is an "occupier" so therefore a legitimate target. They specifically said *every one* to include babies.

I don't understand where you get off thinking you're entitled to classified Isreali intelligence about what targets are where in Gaza just so you can pass judgement.

 

[spat]

Humanitarian pause? Fuck Blinken. Maybe Blinken should sit down with Hamas and other terror groups and ask for a temporary pause from the barbarism instead. What a pathetic pussy puppet he is.

Isreal should agree it to. Then just mount up so the next rocket that comes in they can be "pause over, we're leveling the place".

 

[spat]

I think it speaks to your own ignorance . Why would they drop white phosphorous on civilians ? why would they cut off water gas to civilians? could it be to send a fucking message that they wont tolerate this shit? could it be that they hate each other with a passion? to claim Isreal has no motive to do that after 1500 of thier own civilians were butchered is laughable. Hamas Showered them for a week with rockets and who knows how many more were killed. Give me a break man. if you dont understand the hate between these two sides you shouldn't even be commenting .

Dude, the propaganda has gotten you hard.

They didn't "cut off water and gas to civilians".

They stopped providing it *for free* to people who were trying to kill them.

Is it a war crime now if the electric company cuts you off for non payment ?

 

[FrankenCub]

Dude, the propaganda has gotten you hard.

They didn't "cut off water and gas to civilians".

They stopped providing it *for free* to people who were trying to kill them.

Is it a war crime now if the electric company cuts you off for non payment ?

I wouldn't doubt the lack of water was on Hamas, not Israel. All those rockets that Hamas shoots into Israel are made from the water lines they dug up. They didn't start building rockets on the 7th, so their water supply was probably cut off a year ago when they started building them.

 

[holdover]

I don't understand where you get off thinking you're entitled to classified Isreali intelligence about what targets are where in Gaza just so you can pass judgement.

Its not classified information Israel gave the name of the target and his location . My entitlement stems from the fact that my tax dollars pay for the Israeli military. So its important for Americans to want to know whats happening with our money. Ya know, like when We funded ISIS in Syria. If theres crimes being committed by either side We need to know. Remember Abu Graib? Some of those fuckers went to prison and We wernt defeated !! and it was a major propaganda coup for the resistance

Because whats going to happen shortly? We are going to suffer one or multiple terrorist attacks here, because basically we jumped into the middle of a nasty domestic dispute. and We will be dragged into another war with people like you cheering them on .

How do you know if Russia didnt supply Hezbollah and Syria with high end hyper sonic anti ship missiles? Im sure they would jump at the chance We could possibly be looking at a tragedy over there. because what? Because we have to stick our fucking nose in every crack of the mideast? jeopardizing American lives here and abroad?

Yeah ,I fucking have a right to know who Im backing.


GAZA/JERUSALEM, Oct 16 (Reuters) - Hamas said on Monday that Israel had not resumed water supplies for the Gaza Strip despite pledging to do so, while an Israeli official responded that some water was being provided to an area in the south of the enclave.

Israel stopped piping water to Gazans as part of a siege imposed after Hamas gunmen rampaged in its southern towns and village on Oct 7. On Sunday, Israel said that as part of an agreement with Washington it was resuming some supplies.

Hamas says Gaza water still cut off; Israel says some provided in south

Hamas said on Monday that Israel had not resumed water supplies for the Gaza Strip despite pledging to do so, while an Israeli official responded that some water was being provided to an area in the south of the enclave.

www.reuters.com

Lack of water worsens misery in besieged Gaza as Israeli airstrikes continue​

In the besieged Gaza Strip, 2.3 million people don’t have access to clean, running water because of Israel’s decision to cut off water and electricity to the enclave while pounding it with airstrikes

Its other water sources include desalination plants in the Mediterranean Sea and a subterranean aquifer, drained and damaged from years of overuse. When Israel severed electricity to Gaza, the desalination plants all shut down. So did the wastewater treatment stations.

That has left the entire territory without running water. People buy dwindling jugs from municipal sanitation stations, scour for bottles in supermarkets

Lack of water worsens misery in besieged Gaza as Israeli airstrikes continue

In the besieged Gaza Strip, 2.3 million people don’t have access to clean, running water because of Israel’s decision to cut off water and electricity to the enclave while pounding it with airstrikes

abcnews.go.com

 

[Arjuna]

Defund the United Nations to save the world from Hamas and other butchers

 

[spat]

Its not classified information Israel gave the name of the target and his location . My entitlement stems from the fact that my tax dollars pay for the Israeli military. So its important for Americans to want to know whats happening with our money. Ya know, like when We funded ISIS in Syria. If theres crimes being committed by either side We need to know. Remember Abu Graib? Some of those fuckers went to prison and We wernt defeated !! and it was a major propaganda coup for the resistance

Because whats going to happen shortly? We are going to suffer one or multiple terrorist attacks here, because basically we jumped into the middle of a nasty domestic dispute. and We will be dragged into another war with people like you cheering them on .

How do you know if Russia didnt supply Hezbollah and Syria with high end hyper sonic anti ship missiles? Im sure they would jump at the chance We could possibly be looking at a tragedy over there. because what? Because we have to stick our fucking nose in every crack of the mideast? jeopardizing American lives here and abroad?

Yeah ,I fucking have a right to know who Im backing.

I know Russia didn't supply anyone with "high end hypersonic anti-ship missiles" the same way I know they aren't going to employ their orbital space lasers. They don't have any.

As for "getting us involved", this is a battle between us and Iran for control of the middle east. Isreal is just one of *our* foot soldiers.

Iran has called us the "great Satan" and their official policy is to destroy us. This isn't new, it's been going on for 40 years.

That's actually pretty similar to the Hamas rhetoric and policies towards Isreal.

Imagine if Iran organized a terror attack against us 10x as bad as 9/11. That's what Oct 7th was for the Isrealis.

We would wipe Iran off the map.

 

[holdover]

I know Russia didn't supply anyone with "high end hypersonic anti-ship missiles" the same way I know they aren't going to employ their orbital space lasers. They don't have any.

Now your proving my point, you dont know what your talking about , they had them for years

3M22 Zircon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

P-270 Moskit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The missile is capable of reaching a speed of Mach 3 (3,700 km/h; 2,300 mph) at high altitude and Mach 2.2 at low-altitude. This speed is 4.25 to 3 times more than speed of the subsonic American Harpoon.

One of the SS-N-22s was the P-80 Zubr, designed by a team led by Vladimir Chelomei. The Zubr was rocket-propelled and armed with a 250 kilogram warhead. It was carried by early-model Sovremenny-class destroyers and Tarantul-class corvettes. The submarine-launched version of this missile was also designated as an SS-N-22 Sunburn by NATO but was known to the Soviets as the P-100 Oniks.

"Hypersonic weapons are extremely difficult to detect and counter given the weapons' speed and maneuverability, low flight paths and unpredictable trajectories," he said. Hypersonic weapons challenge NORAD's ability to provide threat warning and attack assessments for Canada and the United States, he added.May 10, 2023

As for "getting us involved", this is a battle between us and Iran for control of the middle east. Isreal is just one of *our* foot soldiers.

And you support it. Great. Where the fuck does it say we should control the middle east?

Iran has called us the "great Satan" and their official policy is to destroy us. This isn't new, it's been going on for 40 years.

LOL, So fucking what? thats like some kid saying he is going to kick mike Tysons ass. Its a joke. He doesnt have the ability to do it . We have had our boot on their neck for the last 40 years too, what do you think they were going to say?

Imagine if Iran organized a terror attack against us 10x as bad as 9/11. That's what Oct 7th was for the Isrealis.

We would wipe Iran off the map.

Thats exactly what is going to happen , you think its some kind of accident? It was over looked ? its coming as sure as night follows day

and were going to go to war and your going tothank them and cheer for the people who manipulate you.


Tim Kennedy,

 

[spat]

Now your proving my point, you dont know what your talking about , they had them for years

3M22 Zircon - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

P-270 Moskit - Wikipedia

en.wikipedia.org

The missile is capable of reaching a speed of Mach 3 (3,700 km/h; 2,300 mph) at high altitude and Mach 2.2 at low-altitude. This speed is 4.25 to 3 times more than speed of the subsonic American Harpoon.

One of the SS-N-22s was the P-80 Zubr, designed by a team led by Vladimir Chelomei. The Zubr was rocket-propelled and armed with a 250 kilogram warhead. It was carried by early-model Sovremenny-class destroyers and Tarantul-class corvettes. The submarine-launched version of this missile was also designated as an SS-N-22 Sunburn by NATO but was known to the Soviets as the P-100 Oniks.

"Hypersonic weapons are extremely difficult to detect and counter given the weapons' speed and maneuverability, low flight paths and unpredictable trajectories," he said. Hypersonic weapons challenge NORAD's ability to provide threat warning and attack assessments for Canada and the United States, he added.May 10, 2023


And you support it. Great. Where the fuck does it say we should control the middle east?





LOL, So fucking what? thats like some kid saying he is going to kick mike Tysons ass. Its a joke. He doesnt have the ability to do it . We have had our boot on their neck for the last 40 years too, what do you think they were going to say?

Thats exactly what is going to happen , you think its some kind of accident? It was over looked ? its coming as sure as night follows day

and were going to go to war and your going tothank them and cheer for the people who manipulate you.


Tim Kennedy,

Mach 3 is not hypersonic. Mach 1 to Mach 5 are merely supersonic. Mach 5 and above are hypersonic.

That makes them just bog standard anti-ship missiles.

The harpoon is a subsonic cruise missile. Cruise missiles are designed around long range. It's also 40 years old.

We can shoot down normal supersonic missiles without trouble.

 

[Defilade]

 

[livingston]

Israeli Settlers Find Safe Havens In Shooting Ranges, Civilians Rush For Guns Amid Hamas War | Gaza​

everal members of Teqoa settlement in the West Bank are flocking to shooting ranges following the October 7 Hamas attack. The residents say that people living in these settlements have been keeping a gun with themselves for years. The number of people, particularly women, buying and training with guns has gone up since October 7.

 

[Defilade]

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I refuse to become desensitized to the murder of innocent children, despite videos of new atrocities being posted DAILY. My heart breaks a little more each day but a fire has been lit inside me to expose Zionism for the satan-worshiping terroristic religion that it is.

 

[Defilade]

Don’t let Zionism give you the blues.

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[holdover]

Mach 3 is not hypersonic. Mach 1 to Mach 5 are merely supersonic. Mach 5 and above are hypersonic.

That makes them just bog standard anti-ship missiles.

The harpoon is a subsonic cruise missile. Cruise missiles are designed around long range. It's also 40 years old.

We can shoot down normal supersonic missiles without trouble.

In April 2017, Russian state media, TASS, reported that Zircon had reached a speed of Mach 8 (6,100 mph; 9,800 km/h; 2,700 m/s)

Zircon is believed to be a maneuvering, winged hypersonic missile with a lift-generating center body. A booster stage with solid-fuel engines accelerates it to supersonic speeds, after which a scramjet motor with liquid-fuel (Decilin [ru]; JP-10 jet fuel) in the second stage accelerates it to hypersonic speeds.[17][47]
Zircon can travel at a speed of Mach 8 (6,100 mph; 9,800 km/h; 2.7 km/s). This has led to concerns[neutrality is disputed] that it could penetrate existing naval defense systems.[55] Because it flies at hypersonic speeds within the atmosphere, air pressure in front of it forms a plasma cloud as it moves, absorbing radio waves and making it practically invisible to active radar systems (plasma stealth)

Its claimed Mach 9 speed would mean that it cannot be intercepted by existing missile defence systems, and its precision would make it lethal to large targets such as aircraft carriers

The other, unrelated SS-N-22 was the Raduga P-270 Moskit. It was ramjet-propelled (though launched by a small solid-fuel rocket), and was carried by later-model Sovremenny class destroyers, Tarantul class corvettes, and several smaller warships. This weapon has a top speed of Mach 3.[1] The high speed of the missile means a typical response time for the target of only 25 to 30 seconds, giving a target little time to react.

 

[spat]

In April 2017, Russian state media, TASS, reported that Zircon had reached a speed of Mach 8 (6,100 mph; 9,800 km/h; 2,700 m/s)

Zircon is believed to be a maneuvering, winged hypersonic missile with a lift-generating center body. A booster stage with solid-fuel engines accelerates it to supersonic speeds, after which a scramjet motor with liquid-fuel (Decilin [ru]; JP-10 jet fuel) in the second stage accelerates it to hypersonic speeds.[17][47]
Zircon can travel at a speed of Mach 8 (6,100 mph; 9,800 km/h; 2.7 km/s). This has led to concerns[neutrality is disputed] that it could penetrate existing naval defense systems.[55] Because it flies at hypersonic speeds within the atmosphere, air pressure in front of it forms a plasma cloud as it moves, absorbing radio waves and making it practically invisible to active radar systems (plasma stealth)

Its claimed Mach 9 speed would mean that it cannot be intercepted by existing missile defence systems, and its precision would make it lethal to large targets such as aircraft carriers

The other, unrelated SS-N-22 was the Raduga P-270 Moskit. It was ramjet-propelled (though launched by a small solid-fuel rocket), and was carried by later-model Sovremenny class destroyers, Tarantul class corvettes, and several smaller warships. This weapon has a top speed of Mach 3.[1] The high speed of the missile means a typical response time for the target of only 25 to 30 seconds, giving a target little time to react.

Yea, I'll believe that when I see it.

There are a lot of problems with that article.

The plasma sheath forms as they say. Same phenomenon that re-entering spacecraft experience.

But it does *not* render something invisible. It *does* in fact light the thing up like a beacon for everyone in the hemisphere to see.

It also blinds the missile itself making it unable to track anything.

We can shoot down high-hypersonic ballistic missiles easily.

An anti-ship missile without a seeker head and unable to receive external guidance because it's encased in a plasma sheath is not going to have a very high hit probability against a maneuvering warship.

There is a reason we don't make any, and it's not for lack of ability. We had a *manned* hypersonic aircraft in the 1960s. We could easily make hypersonic missiles. They just have enough drawbacks that they aren't useful.

Also, using one against a US carrier would be tantamount to nuking it as far as our reaction would go.

As for "why don't we just leave Iran alone and let them have the mideast", there are *a lot* of reasons why that would be a very bad idea.

We tried isolationism twice last century. It didn't end well for anyone. After that we decided *someone* needed to fill a role as the "world police". Nobody else stepped up, and now, the only candidates are *not* someone we want to hand that role over to.

Your analogy with Mike Tysons and the child is apt except we are prime Tyson in a room full of children. Almost 200 of them.

One of the 3rd graders just got a 2 year old to stab a 5th grader in the leg, and you're suggesting we just ignore it.

 

[Dr. Evil]

This is what they are up against. To hell with those that are Monday morning quarterbacking. You have no fucking clue and I personally find it insulting.

 

[FP1201]

Israeli Settlers Find Safe Havens In Shooting Ranges, Civilians Rush For Guns Amid Hamas War | Gaza​

everal members of Teqoa settlement in the West Bank are flocking to shooting ranges following the October 7 Hamas attack. The residents say that people living in these settlements have been keeping a gun with themselves for years. The number of people, particularly women, buying and training with guns has gone up since October 7.

I wonder WHERE they managed to buy 10,000 small arms, and IF there's a connection with Briben's decree to suspend export sales of "sporting" Guns?

I grew up in the Deep South in the 60's-70's-early 80's and there was a distrust, even a somewhat hatred of Jews...'course the same was said of Blacks, Mexicans, Haitians, etc. In never understood why there was derision of Jewish People, but there had to be reasons dating back decades of not centuries.

 

[Acer-m14]

don't they swear to allah ..not GOD ..

 

[Phazer]

Israeli Settlers Find Safe Havens In Shooting Ranges, Civilians Rush For Guns Amid Hamas War | Gaza​

everal members of Teqoa settlement in the West Bank are flocking to shooting ranges following the October 7 Hamas attack. The residents say that people living in these settlements have been keeping a gun with themselves for years. The number of people, particularly women, buying and training with guns has gone up since October 7.

I identify as a "civilian security team."

I'm a civilian.
I provide security to my family and myself.
I train regularly.

I'd like my rifle and ammo, please.

 

[Phazer]

Don’t let Zionism give you the blues.

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Da fuq?

 

[Acer-m14]

UTHO!!! .. does it have a bump stock too ???

 

[Acer-m14]

Guns 4 Ukraine

The City of Miami has set up a gun buy back program to assist the citizens of Ukraine.

www.miami.gov

so where is the Guns-4-Israel ???

 

[holdover]

Yea, I'll believe that when I see it.

LOL, they have been using the kinzhal hypersonic missle in Ukraine for the last year, extremely hard to shoot down . they have the technology . Your a reality denier .

We can shoot down high-hypersonic ballistic missiles easily.

Tell that to Kiev, I dont know where your getting that information from , Ive been reading about how dangerous they are to our Navy.

to shoot it down , you have to lead it , problem is it keeps changing directions in mid flight and they are almost impossible to lead .Mach 5 is traveling at 1 mile a second , As fast as a tank round . some of the claims are above mach 10 . Hows that iron dome working out?
But whatever, you can believe what you want to or you can read up on it.


""Your analogy with Mike Tysons and the child is apt except we are prime Tyson in a room full of children. Almost 200 of them.""

How do you figure Iran to be 200 kids vs Mike Tyson? the US out numbers them in every way,