2nd Circuit decisions published today! Voluminous! 261 Page Decision. Go to CourtListener to review.

[ManualF150]

It’s the floor for the next appeal. The private property presumption is a big one.

Exactly. What is the point of people going through the process of getting a permit, doing all these hoops, to only have that gun sit at home and collect dust?

I wonder how many pistol permit holders left their gun at home, to be "law abiding" and either died, got shot, or got severely injured (life threatening) because they followed the law. This we will never know.

 

[That_FNG]

This was a victory today. In one of the most anti gun courts in the country, with 3 anti gun judges, in one of the most anti gun cities in the most anti gun state, Hochul and James got served a big LOSS. The biggest part of the CCIA was the absolute ban on carry on any private property. The tide is turning. History may come to show that in the battle for gun rights that this was the battle of midway.

 

[Truebeliever]

Exactly. What is the point of people going through the process of getting a permit, doing all these hoops, to only have that gun sit at home and collect dust?

I wonder how many pistol permit holders left their gun at home, to be "law abiding" and either died, got shot, or got severely injured (life threatening) because they followed the law. This we will never know.

I know one in CA. A terrorist and his wife shot him at a work event . where he was not allowed to carry . I know of another in TX. She lived but her parents died — she was a part of the CCW push across America .

 

[Beerman]

Looks too be a three Judge panel.

Yes, my error. En banc vs 3-judge panel. I’m a dummy. Dumbie. Dumby. Uh, stupid.

 

[Xae289]

I look forward to seeing "no firearms" signs pop up so I know which businesses to avoid giving any of my money to.

 

[Truebeliever]

It did nothing in regard to sensitive or restricted locations OTHER THAN “private property open to the public.” Public property, Gov owned, bars, etc, still prohibited locations. For now.

Does the presumption still apply to private property in general , not just what is open to the public ?
For example , a permit holder is invited into a private home but doesn’t disclose and ask permission for his firearm to be allowed in too.

 

[Acer-m14]

 

[Acer-m14]

Does the presumption still apply to private property in general , not just what is open to the public ?
For example , a permit holder is invited into a private home but doesn’t disclose and ask permission for his firearm to be allowed in too.

all they can do if they find out your carrying is ask you to leave the property ..



PS .. oh .. and Scream

 

[Beerman]

Does the presumption still apply to private property in general , not just what is open to the public ?
For example , a permit holder is invited into a private home but doesn’t disclose and ask permission for his firearm to be allowed in too.

I’m guessing that the interpretation is left in favor of the State, rather than a full enjoining of the private property restriction. The 2nd Circuit specifically stated “private property open to the public” vs “all private property.” Makes ya wonder.

 

[Acer-m14]

my home is private property ..

please leave your guns in your automobile ..

including you too officer ..

 

[Truebeliever]

my home is private property ..

please leave your guns in your automobile ..

including you too officer ..

Ah, the law made an exemption. Sorry .

 

[Truebeliever]

I’m guessing that the interpretation is left in favor of the State, rather than a full enjoining of the private property restriction. The 2nd Circuit specifically stated “private property open to the public” vs “all private property.” Makes ya wonder.

Did they address gun free zones like Times Square?

 

[Jchrisls]

I look forward to seeing "no firearms" signs pop up so I know which businesses to avoid giving any of my money to.

To the best of my limited knowledge, a no firearms sign carries no weight of law other than trespassing. It's presence wouldn't constitute some reinstatement of some portions of any CCIA.

And concealed is, well, concealed.

 

[Cooolone]

They take BIG bites and those wronged get to nibble back little tid bits at a time, IF you have standing!!!

Not sure how the Moral Character survives, but someone will need to be denied based upon it, for that to be removed as well.

If you don't need to straddle any hurdle to Vote, then that hurdle shouldn't apply to any other Right. Is what they said in Bruen! Can't take it back... And that's the way it should be. But was a smidgen less than seriously enacting Strict interpretation, something seemingly they're trying to avoid!

NY will counter this will some other garbage and BS that'll be treated as law by all those looking to meekly comply and for those resisting take years to get relief from the courts! It's a joke!!! A terrible one on all State Citizens unfortunately!

Counting the days... Just counting the days!

 

[livingston]

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Other types of crimes still allow a person to show good moral character so long as they didn’t commit those crimes within a certain period of time. These crimes include:

• Two or more offenses that led to a jail term of five years or more
• A crime that led to a jail term of more than 180 days
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• Two or more gambling crimes
• Failing to provide child support
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Good moral character is an ideal state of a person's beliefs and values that is considered most beneficial to society. In United States law, good moral character can be assessed through the requirement of virtuous acts or by principally evaluating negative conduct


Good moral character is an ideal state of a person's beliefs and values that is considered most beneficial to society.
Are moral values in the USA deteriorating?
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In my opinion, yes, depending on what you mean by “moral values”.
Let’s look at racism and bigotry. It does depend on the group, but the extreme right wing is now almost out of control, and being egged on by the head racist in the country.

• Hate crimes in the US rose by 17% in 2017, the third straight year that incidents of bias-motivated attacks have grown, according to the FBI.
• Although the total number of reported hate crimes in the United States decreased from 2017 to 2018, the number of offenses rose 12 percent
• Physical assaults against people also increased, accounting for 61 percent of the incidents, according to FBI data released in November 2019.
• Around 60 percent of the crimes were motivated by race, ethnicity, or ancestry bias.

Republicans, however, don’t want to do anything about this. A bill introduced in the U.S. House of Representatives, the National Opposition to Hate, Assault, and Threats to Equality Act of 2017 (HR 1566), would mandate new action to obtain more accurate hate crime statistics

What has happened to the moral character of America?

Answer (1 of 12): It’s still here, it just doesn’t get much publicity It’s important to keep in mind, much of our perception of the world around us is currently formed by mass media (especially television). Mass media does NOT exist to tell the truth, and serve the interest of the public. It exi...

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Moral character is subjective ...Just like hate speech. .. One just saw that when the university presidents were interviewed... Is one tearing down a poster asking for the release of Jewish women and children show a lack of moral character ? ..
You see where this is going... A farmer that raises cattle , uses fertilizer ... lack moral character ? One driving gas powered autos, Driving one mile over the speed limit in a construction zone Lack of moral character ... A camera with facial recognition alerts authorities you jumped the turnstile ... Thus a lower social credit
Moral character and a social credit score could be tied together in our new world order.. .. As posted above just posting a Trump sign show a lack of moral character ... In that persons eyes... Perhaps in the future she will be the judge looking at your permit application. ... With AI coming online every persons history could show up ... .. a Google earth photo showing that Trump sign.. on your lawn...
Think about it folks ...They approved a very dangerous provision for future gun owners ... even current ones...

 

[prambo]

 

[Beerman]

Did they address gun free zones like Times Square?

No. All the answers are right there in the court documents if you truly care to learn for yourself, rather than taking some random guy’s word for it.

 

[FrankenCub]

No. All the answers are right there in the court documents if you truly care to learn for yourself, rather than taking some random guy’s word for it.

Some aren't versed in legal speak so it may be a bit hard to read, or don't have time to read through 260 pages.

 

[Truebeliever]

No. All the answers are right there in the court documents if you truly care to learn for yourself, rather than taking some random guy’s word for it.

It’s hard to read it on a smartphone which is my internet connection for the next few days . I fall under the retired LE exception to a lot of CCIA already so I don’t have an all compelling need to do so for myself right now. But I would like to be able to have some quick knowledge and know how it affects my fellow citizens and CCW .

 

[Beerman]

It’s hard to read it on a smartphone which is my internet connection for the next few days . I fall under the retired LE exception to a lot of CCIA already so I don’t have an all compelling need to do so for myself right now. But I would like to be able to have some quick knowledge and know how it affects my fellow citizens and CCW .

Trust, but verify.

 

[Beerman]

It’s hard to read it on a smartphone…

For what it’s worth- I think 98% of the members of this forum read it on their phones. I mean, seriously, who would drag a whole desktop setup into the bathroom so they can read while they ride the bidet???

 

[Jchrisls]

For what it’s worth- I think 98% of the members of this forum read it on their phones. I mean, seriously, who would drag a whole desktop setup into the bathroom so they can read while they ride the bidet???

Someone specifically dedicated to being prepared for bidet rides would consider it

 

[Saltwater60]

Babe steps. A little progress, little forward movement, it's better than going basakwards which is what usually happens. Bet that bitch is fuk'n fuming right now... pull'n them eyebrows out.

I’m fairly sick of baby steps. They take away the majority of our rights and we get a small crumb back and the rest takes years to maybe get it back.

 

[Jchrisls]

I’m fairly sick of baby steps. They take away the majority of our rights and we get a small crumb back and the rest takes years to maybe get it back.

Or get none back at all Ex- safe act

 

[maverick52]

I believe it would go to a En Banc panel of the 2nd Circuit before the SCOTUS..

Skip en banc and move forward with the actual cases.

 

[maverick52]

Social media and the blanket carry ban were low hanging fruits. They were the least likely to survive. The second circuit would love had to bend the law really bad to uphold that. Now the hope is to let these cases get decided on their merit at the district level. Suddaby and Sinatra are two good judges. Maybe by spring we can get decisions and go back to the second circuit. We are about 3 years out before most of this gets settled but I am becoming more optimistic. I am also hopeful with the standard capacity magazine ban and assault weapon cases. In 2 to 3 years I hope we are looking better.

 

[Tisto]

Social media and the blanket carry ban were low hanging fruits. They were the least likely to survive. The second circuit would love had to bend the law really bad to uphold that. Now the hope is to let these cases get decided on their merit at the district level. Suddaby and Sinatra are two good judges. Maybe by spring we can get decisions and go back to the second circuit. We are about 3 years out before most of this gets settled but I am becoming more optimistic. I am also hopeful with the standard capacity magazine ban and assault weapon cases. In 2 to 3 years I hope we are looking better.

We may no longer have a country in 2-3 years !

 

[Saltwater60]

I look forward to seeing "no firearms" signs pop up so I know which businesses to avoid giving any of my money to.

They didn’t have them before so why will they now?

 

[Steal2B]

The 2nd circuit still needs to have its ass kicked. They ruled that semi-auto permitting, the ammo purchasing scheme and fees, new FFL burdens, and most of FUKH's post Bruen tirade does not infringe on 2A or no one has standing. Overall FUKH and FULJ are having happy ending wet dreams this week end thanks to the 2nd circuit.

https://www.courthousenews.com/second-circuit-shoots-down-gun-dealers-challenge-to-new-york-firearms-law/

 

[Zerex]

The social media issue IS HUGE..................no longer can Hochul and James require that pistol permit clerks and Judges, read our virulent and truthful attacks upon her and James, on this forum OR ANY OTHERS.....................FOR NOW

She wanted this to disqualify all MAGA, in future pistol, and semi auto re-certs.......just like the de-facto ammo purchase ban............

Jack smith Chairman Xi's personal attack dog, has all the twitter likes on Trump ...SAME ILLEGAL SHIT..................Hochul will likely try again and again, this time getting a single court order to examine each PP recert application............FUCKING BET ON IT.
She will claim that anyone wanting to re certify has criminal intent and social meida will prove the danger.

THIS IS HUGE ANYWAY.......sets them back on their asses for existing pp holders. fopr a while.
SHE WILL APPEAL TO THE FULL APPEALS COURT............. she has to............

The upholding of 4 non felon and non criminal signatories, to attest to your moral character to get a permit .........is a joke.
Thomas explicitly shitcanned that in Bruen...."SHALL FUCKING ISSUE."
The clause actually hurts minorities the most...........

The war is on for sure...................if the entire 2nd delays the hearing another year........ and lets Hochul do what I predict above, regarding socila media court orders....... and redefining private places...............