Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[spat]

Oh Wow. you think they already Lost and Ukraine is wining? Ok.

A Phyrric victory is still a victory. If everyone in Ukraine is killed and every structure leveled to the ground The Russians still gain all of ukraine territory all of its natural resources,all of its rivers , all of its ports , all of its strategic potential and locations , all of its farm lands. creates a 700 mile buffer zone between itself and NATO.

Russia invaded Ukraine for national security purposes, Not for territorial gains , the elimination of the NATO threat is itself a victory , that was the goal all along

Call it what you will, they won.

That's not what a Phyrric victory is.

If the *Russian* Military is destroyed in the process, *that's* a Phyrric victory.

What Russia has undoubtedly lost already is respect on the world stage. They used to be considered the second most powerful military on the planet.

Now most countries consider them a paper tiger. Even countries that hate the west have certainly lost respect for the Russian military.

 

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That's not what a Phyrric victory is.

If the *Russian* Military is destroyed in the process, *that's* a Phyrric victory.

What Russia has undoubtedly lost already is respect on the world stage. They used to be considered the second most powerful military on the planet.

Now most countries consider them a paper tiger. Even countries that hate the west have certainly lost respect for the Russian military.

No. they dont have to be destroyed in the process, just not worth the cost. which it is .

A pyrrhic victory is a victory that comes at a great cost, perhaps making the ordeal to win not worth it. It relates to Pyrrhus, a king of Epirus who defeated the Romans in 279 BCE but lost many of his troops.

 

[holdover]

What Russia has undoubtedly lost already is respect on the world stage. They used to be considered the second most powerful military on the planet.

Now most countries consider them a paper tiger. Even countries that hate the west have certainly lost respect for the Russian military.

The thing that you somehow cant comprehend is that Russia is not the soviet union. it no longer had vast armies massed on the border of europe nor did it peruse military objectives after the collapse .You, like a lot of other people cant separate the two. Its similar to punishing germany for things it did in ww2 . its a whole different country with a whole different government. Its the same place ,just not the same goverments and objectives.

 

[Mosinitis]

People keep forgetting, the war in Ukraine didn't begin on Feb 24, 2022. It was already going on since 2014. The only valid criticism of Putin is for not intervening earlier to stop the genocide of Russian people in Donbas, orchestrated by U.S. and its puppets in Ukraine. Putin tried to use diplomacy to stop it, but it failed.

 

[Mosinitis]

This is from 9 years ago.

 

[spat]

The thing that you somehow cant comprehend is that Russia is not the soviet union. it no longer had vast armies massed on the border of europe nor did it peruse military objectives after the collapse .You, like a lot of other people cant separate the two. Its similar to punishing germany for things it did in ww2 . its a whole different country with a whole different government. Its the same place ,just not the same goverments and objectives.

And what you don't seem to get is that *nobody* was punishing Russia for anything.

It wasn't Ukraine that invaded Russia because they were afraid they were going to be attacked.

Although, in retrospect they would have been right if they did.

Russia could have sat back, cornered the European energy market, and let Ukraine enjoy their new friends and it wouldn't have hurt them in the slightest.

The *only* thing NATO membership for Ukraine threatened was Russian imperialism.

 

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That was a response to to your assumption that Russia had a massive army . They didn't as you well know now. They didnt because they were not planning to invade Europe. ""Punishing them"" meaning your treating them like the old soviet union when its not. thats what I meant by it .

Russia could have sat back, cornered the European energy market, and let Ukraine enjoy their new friends

All while foreign troops and missiles massed on their border. Troops that see them as an enemy of Europe .While loseing thier bases and shipping lanes in the black sea.

Sometimes I wonder how you think, trust NATO and globalists? I would have done the same thing.

 

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That was a response to to your assumption that Russia had a massive army . They didn't as you well know now. They didnt because they were not planning to invade Europe. ""Punishing them"" meaning your treating them like the old soviet union when its not. thats what I meant by it .


All while foreign troops and missiles massed on their border. Troops that see them as an enemy of Europe .While loseing thier bases and shipping lanes in the black sea.

Sometimes I wonder how you think, trust NATO and globalists? I would have done the same thing.

So, if the county starts building a new police station next door to you, is your reaction going to be "those guys are a threat, I better kill them all before they come over here " ?

I guarantee the people occupying Albany are a greater threat to you than Ukraine ever was to Russia. Why haven't you moved to pre-emptively eliminate that threat ?

Would Ukraine have been justified invading Russia because they had troops massing on *their* border ?

 

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That was a response to to your assumption that Russia had a massive army . They didn't as you well know now. They didnt because they were not planning to invade Europe. ""Punishing them"" meaning your treating them like the old soviet union when its not. thats what I meant by it .


All while foreign troops and missiles massed on their border. Troops that see them as an enemy of Europe .While loseing thier bases and shipping lanes in the black sea.

Sometimes I wonder how you think, trust NATO and globalists? I would have done the same thing.

Also, nobody was treating Russia like the old Soviet Union until Putin started gobbling up their old vassal states.

It's quite obvious that he wants to get the old band back together. Russia doesn't have the status in the world that the USSR did, and it must just piss him off.

It's not even like we would have cared that much about him invading some eastern European backwaters, except we've seen how this plays out before, and you really *really* don't want to wait till the dictator is moving into Poland before you do something about it.

 

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It's quite obvious that he wants to get the old band back together. Russia doesn't have the status in the world that the USSR did, and it must just piss him off.

You bought that hook line and sinker. Yeah, thats the sales pitch.

you really *really* don't want to wait till the dictator is moving into Poland before you do something about it.

Thats pretty much how Putin sees NATO too. The last 2 times Ukraine was occupied by foreign troops didnt work out so well for Russia either.

Now why would the west cause an overthrow of the Russian supporting leader of Ukraine who rejected their neutrality, and armed and trained them with western weapons . who do you think those weapons were intended for?

IF a communist country overthrew the goverment of Canada ( hardly notice) and was hostile to the US and began building an army on our Northern border, THEEEEN decided to join a communist defense pact allowing all the countries in that pact to train and place bases just across our border. The US might have something to say about it before serious weapons were deployed there.

 

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You bought that hook line and sinker. Yeah, thats the sales pitch.

Thats pretty much how Putin sees NATO too. The last 2 times Ukraine was occupied by foreign troops didnt work out so well for Russia either.

Now why would the west cause an overthrow of the Russian supporting leader of Ukraine who rejected their neutrality, and armed and trained them with western weapons . who do you think those weapons were intended for?

IF a communist country overthrew the goverment of Canada ( hardly notice) and was hostile to the US and began building an army on our Northern border, THEEEEN decided to join a communist defense pact allowing all the countries in that pact to train and place bases just across our border. The US might have something to say about it before serious weapons were deployed there.

You mean they haven't already ?

Trudeau is pretty much kissing Xi's ass now.

 

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So, if the county starts building a new police station next door to you, is your reaction going to be "those guys are a threat, I better kill them all before they come over here " ?



Would Ukraine have been justified invading Russia because they had troops massing on *their* border ?

A police station is not a good analogy. A police station no, an army yes.


Sure would. I dont know if it would have worked out all to well but any nation reserves the right of self defense

 

[holdover]

You mean they haven't already ?

Trudeau is pretty much kissing Xi's ass now.

I know but humor me.

 

[spat]

A police station is not a good analogy. A police station no, an army yes.


Sure would. I dont know if it would have worked out all to well but any nation reserves the right of self defense

The point is you don't get to "invade them before they invade you".

That's just not how it works.

The first guy to put troops on foreign soil is the bad guy.

That's been the standard since WWII. Putin's delusions that the west is out to get him doesn't change that.

The west would have preferred to just forget him, but he can't stand that idea.

 

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The point is you don't get to "invade them before they invade you".

That's just not how it works.

The first guy to put troops on foreign soil is the bad guy.

That's been the standard since WWII. Putin's delusions that the west is out to get him doesn't change that.

The west would have preferred to just forget him, but he can't stand that idea.

Well yeah, except if you count Vietnam , Grenada , Panama, Iraq, Afganistan Yugoslavia , Somalia, Libya,

A preemptive attack on a neighboring country is recognized under international law as legit.And in also follows your theory of prison yard politics .

 

[holdover]

NATO ally could command 60,000 strong force in Ukraine: General

French President Emmanuel Macron has been advancing a debate on whether to send allied troops to the country.

www.newsweek.com

So how does this end? France crushes Russia with 60,000 troops drives them back to the border, Putin nukes the French

Or Russia defeats French in Ukraine decimating them , US and Poland come to thier aid , Yadda yadda yadda NUkes

They are going to need a hell of a lot more than 60,000, and if they use French Aircraft say good bye to the bases wherever they are.

 

[Mosinitis]

NATO ally could command 60,000 strong force in Ukraine: General

French President Emmanuel Macron has been advancing a debate on whether to send allied troops to the country.

www.newsweek.com

So how does this end? France crushes Russia with 60,000 troops drives them back to the border, Putin nukes the French

Or Russia defeats French in Ukraine decimating them , US and Poland come to thier aid , Yadda yadda yadda NUkes

They are going to need a hell of a lot more than 60,000, and if they use French Aircraft say good bye to the bases wherever they are.

They ran from the African second rate militaries.

 

[tirwin1]

NATO ally could command 60,000 strong force in Ukraine: General

French President Emmanuel Macron has been advancing a debate on whether to send allied troops to the country.

www.newsweek.com

So how does this end? France crushes Russia with 60,000 troops drives them back to the border, Putin nukes the French

Or Russia defeats French in Ukraine decimating them , US and Poland come to thier aid , Yadda yadda yadda NUkes

They are going to need a hell of a lot more than 60,000, and if they use French Aircraft say good bye to the bases wherever they are.

Would the cheese eating surrender monkeys really get involved with russian troops? I find that difficult to believe.

 

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Would the cheese eating surrender monkeys really get involved with russian troops? I find that difficult to believe.

Believe it or not they are talking about it.

 

[holdover]

They ran from the African second rate militaries.

Oh you aint seen nothin yet

 

[spat]

Well yeah, except if you count Vietnam , Grenada , Panama, Iraq, Afganistan Yugoslavia , Somalia, Libya,

A preemptive attack on a neighboring country is recognized under international law as legit.And in also follows your theory of prison yard politics .

All of those were either instances of "we were attacked first", "we were invited by one faction of that civil war", or it was enforcing a UN resolution.

None of them did we attempt to conquer and annex.

Imperialism is a dirty word these days.

But, by your logic, NATO would be perfectly in their rights to invade Belarus, Ukraine, etc... to establish a buffer zone against Russian expansion.

 

[holdover]

All of those were either instances of "we were attacked first", "we were invited by one faction of that civil war", or it was enforcing a UN resolution.

None of them did we attempt to conquer and annex.

Imperialism is a dirty word these days.

But, by your logic, NATO would be perfectly in their rights to invade Belarus, Ukraine, etc... to establish a buffer zone against Russian expansion.

Nonsense.

They didnt have to , they over threw the goverment . Belarus doesn't have much of an army to justify an invasion.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Apparently there was just a mass shooting at a concert in Russia or something. Not a lot of details yet. Hoping the victims that are able to recover do so quickly.

Hold on shit is about to get sporty. I have no idea what to think of who was to blame. But regardless putin was just reelected, there was a massacre of Russian citizens on Russian territory and they are forming a new army group. Shit is going to go down.

It's weird how a crisis seems to pop up at really convenient or unfortunate times.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Rumors of NATO troops actually being sent into Western Ukraine and now the terror attack at a Russian concert.

Dude I'm a little nervous ww3 might become apparent to all in the near future.

 

[Defilade]

Team Ukraine loves Chucky.

This sum bitch Chuck Schumer just threatened to send US Troops to Fight Russia Unless they Sign the Ukraine Spending Bill

He also says Mike Johnson is scared to death of Donald Trump

"If we don’t aid Ukraine, Putin will be walk all over Ukraine, we will lose the war and we could be fighting in eastern Europe and a NATO ally in a few years. Americans won’t like that."

Chuck Schumer threatens to send US Troops to Fight Russia Unless they Sign Bill

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[holdover]

Rumors of NATO troops actually being sent into Western Ukraine and now the terror attack at a Russian concert.

Dude I'm a little nervous ww3 might become apparent to all in the near future.

You know, I felt all along that this wouldn't escalate into WW3, Now Im not so sure. If France moves into Ukraine then its only a matter of time.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

You know, I felt all along that this wouldn't escalate into WW3, Now Im not so sure. If France moves into Ukraine then its only a matter of time.

Rumors are Poland and Germany may not be far behind France.

Just today a spokesman for the Kremlin (either on purpose or Freudian slip) said Russia is at war. That's a subtle but noteworthy development

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

"thankfully" it sounds like those subhuman isis claims responsibility.

It's a terrible attack but I'm thankful the ukies didn't go rouge that would make a horrible situation much worse.

I hope Russia wipes out ISIS.

 

[Mosinitis]

There is a unit of anti-Russian Chechens fighting on the side of Ukraine. I would not rule out anything.

 

[Mosinitis]