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Drinkthekoolaid said:
Ukraine and Russia should be natural allies.

It's pretty damn comparable to the US and Canada.

Ukraine should be aligned with Russia. Ukraine has always been aligned with Russia. The west pulled off a silent coup and got their puppet government installed to change the sphere of influence and then Ukraine wants to join NATO. Russia clearly and justifiably has a problem with this for obvious reasons. Is it right ? That's debatable. However to say the west didn't specifically goad this fight on for the sole purpose of using Ukrainian blood and American treasure to pump up the military industrial complex in never ending wars to theoretically bleed and weaken the Russians indefinitely to keep them down. Yes I think that was their plan. They are short sighted psychotic maniacs who care more about their pocket books, stock prices, power and globalism than What is actually good for the world and civilization. Never ending wars are great when your domestic government is incompetent and failing. Keep the people distracted. We've always been at war with Eurasia.

Peace is bad for business. Gotta make a Boogeyman if there isn't one. The irony is China actually is and we could have had Russia in our court to counter china and keep them in balance but that's clearly not going to happen anymore. Again, because our elected (installed) puppets bureaucrats and deep state swamp creatures are short sighted arrogant greedy assholes.

Russia shouldn't be our enemy but they are now and it's our own doing.

There is absolutely no reason for Russia to be invading Ukraine except that the west created a reason.

It's hard for me to get my head around that actually we're the bad guys. Our government doesn't care about peace. We don't want peace. We just laughed at a peace deal offer and by the time the next one comes around another 100k or 200k will be dead and the results will be the same just more deatha and destruction.
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The west pulled off a silent coup and got their puppet government installed to change the sphere of influence
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Yes! exactly. Kinda like what just happened in Mexico after 37 canidates were assassinated. Mexico elects a Jew Woman? Yeah, sure..
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We did all the work, sure.

But most of the countries in the world that have any military capability to speak of sent *some* troops.

It's not about who got the job done. It's about who thought it needed doing, and that was a pretty large coalition there.

And, sure, the Kuwaitis should have been able to defend themselves, but if your neighbor's wife gets raped and murdered, you still expect the murderer to be hunted down, you don't just say "serves her right for not having a CCW"
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It’s not the same: it’s like your neighbor who is so rich he should have had security guards and a security system in place expects you to pay for and make right his failures
 
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JaguarJaguarGolf said:
It’s not the same: it’s like your neighbor who is so rich he should have had security guards and a security system in place expects you to pay for and make right his failures
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He just expects help to come and remove the home invaders.

Sure, he might be a rich asshole, but that doesn't mean you want to let home invasions become a thing.

The world is a much much safer place than it's ever been *because* many countries don't think they need a massive military to defend themselves.

Once you have that defensive military, there is always a temptation to use is for offensive gains. Many countries are just one charismatic leader away from becoming tyrants. In lots of places a strong military would be very tempted to take over the civilian government if it thinks it isn't "doing things right". Best not to hand them a fully armed military if they don’t want one.

I don't really trust *our* government with the military we have, it's a necessary evil because the risk of not having it is so great. But the fewer countries that have a strong military, the better off we are.
 
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CNN-Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Western countries they’re taking a “very serious and dangerous step” by supplying weapons to Ukraine, which could result in Moscow arming their enemies.




Thats just fucking great. Fucking retard leaders set us back 50 years . North Korea, Iran , could soon have ICBMS , why? because We have fucking Idiot leaders that cant see past noon tommorrow.
 
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U.S. has more enemies and more targets around the world. What do they say about people who live in glass houses?

It's not just Biden, it's the entire American establishment that just couldn't stop at the break up of the Soviet Union. Historical record is very clear about who is the biggest threat to the world peace.
 
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CNN-Russian President Vladimir Putin has warned Western countries they’re taking a “very serious and dangerous step” by supplying weapons to Ukraine, which could result in Moscow arming their enemies.




Thats just fucking great. Fucking retard leaders set us back 50 years . North Korea, Iran , could soon have ICBMS , why? because We have fucking Idiot leaders that cant see past noon tommorrow.
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This is what happens when we are run by assholes who have never had any real world experience but are insulated living in insulated bureaucratic silos who only care about special interests, higher profit and increasing their personal power and don't understand how the actual world works.
 
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NK may soon be supplying Russia with millions of artillery rounds.
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And Russia may be supplying them advanced technologies as well to increase their capabilities.

The world is so much worse off now than in 2020. Anyone who voted for Biden because they just couldn't stomach the idea of voting for the bad orange man, welp, this shit is on all you guys. You are all partially responsible for the world going off the rails and all the global instability.
 
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If either country is invaded it requires immediate military assistance - newly signed treaty between Russia and North Korea that mirrors the old Soviet treaty.
 
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There is also resurgence of friendship and cooperation between Russia and Vietnam as evident from Putin's visit. Most of Vietnamese intelligentsia and military top brass were educated in Soviet Union and Russia.
 
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I guess NK, Iran and China can now send ""mercenaries"" to Ukraine . Things are just getting better and better. Hopefully it wont go South before elections and we get someone in there that would like to cool things down
 
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Ukraine lunch US ATACMS Missiles into Crimea today. This after Joe Biden & The West granted Ukraine permissions to strike Russian soil using American weaponry. You are all witnessing the early days of World War Three in real time.


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Defilade said:
Ukraine lunch US ATACMS Missiles into Crimea today. This after Joe Biden & The West granted Ukraine permissions to strike Russian soil using American weaponry. You are all witnessing the early days of World War Three in real time.


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Many here have been warning of exactly this or a very similar situation occurring. It was inevitable.

Now the next most likely thing to anticipate, if I was Russia without hesitation the next time an American drone is running recon over the Black Sea it's getting splashed. This is where the ISR comes from. IMO Russia would be justified in defending themselves by shooting down our drones.
 
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Mosinitis said:
If either country is invaded it requires immediate military assistance - newly signed treaty between Russia and North Korea that mirrors the old Soviet treaty.
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As if anyone would *want* to invade North Korea

There is zero to be gained but a massive ball pain of uneducated refugees to deal with..

They're even *less* desirable than Russia, and that's hard to do.
 
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As if anyone would *want* to invade North Korea

There is zero to be gained but a massive ball pain of uneducated refugees to deal with..

They're even *less* desirable than Russia, and that's hard to do.
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Korea was occupied by the Japanese for 35 years and South Korea is occupied by the U.S. for seven decades.

N.K. is a nuclear power. They are better educated than Americans.
 
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Korea was occupied by the Japanese for 35 years and South Korea is occupied by the U.S. for seven decades.

N.K. is a nuclear power. They are better educated than Americans.
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Wow, and I thought the ice wall was the dumbest comment we were going to see on this forum...

Yea, South Korea would be worth conquering, but North Korea ? Invading north Korea is like pickpocketing in a homeless encampment. Just because it's *near* somewhere nice doesn't mean it is a good plan LOL.
 
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Wow, and I thought the ice wall was the dumbest comment we were going to see on this forum...

Yea, South Korea would be worth conquering, but North Korea ? Invading north Korea is like pickpocketing in a homeless encampment. Just because it's *near* somewhere nice doesn't mean it is a good plan LOL.
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Russia shoots down US reaper drone over the Black sea (Unconfirmed. )
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U.S. ambassador was summoned by Russian Foreign Ministry and told terrorist attack on the beach goers of Sevastopol by U.S. supplied and guided missiles will not go unanswered.
 
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As if anyone would *want* to invade North Korea

There is zero to be gained but a massive ball pain of uneducated refugees to deal with..

They're even *less* desirable than Russia, and that's hard to do.
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Invading NK isnt the problem. fighting them is the problem. Say things get hot in Ukraine , or Israel invades Lebanon and Iran jumps in on thier side.Maybe the chineese see an opprotuinty in Taiwan, then NK gets froggy because US assets are spread thin and decides its the right time to unify Korea. the US has major military commitments to Ukraine right now If it gets involved in a war somewhere, opportunities are going to arise
 
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Invading NK isnt the problem. fighting them is the problem. Say things get hot in Ukraine , or Israel invades Lebanon and Iran jumps in on thier side.Maybe the chineese see an opprotuinty in Taiwan, then NK gets froggy because US assets are spread thin and decides its the right time to unify Korea. the US has major military commitments to Ukraine right now If it gets involved in a war somewhere, opportunities are going to arise
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South Korea is quite capable of repelling the North all by themselves. They're only dangerous because Seoul is within artillery range of the border, and Kim has a few nukes.

The balance of military power is *not* what it was in the 1950s.

And I certainly wouldn't describe the situation in Ukraine as a "major military commitment" by the US.

That's like describing a trip to goodwill after spring cleaning as a "major commitment to supporting the underprivileged".

The actual US support for Ukraine isn't even a rounding error in our defense budget. The majority of the taxpayer dollars being sent aren't even supporting the war, they're just being laundered and funneled back our own politicians and defense contractors.
 
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South Korea is quite capable of repelling the North all by themselves. They're only dangerous because Seoul is within artillery range of the border, and Kim has a few nukes.

The balance of military power is *not* what it was in the 1950s.

And I certainly wouldn't describe the situation in Ukraine as a "major military commitment" by the US.

That's like describing a trip to goodwill after spring cleaning as a "major commitment to supporting the underprivileged".

The actual US support for Ukraine isn't even a rounding error in our defense budget. The majority of the taxpayer dollars being sent aren't even supporting the war, they're just being laundered and funneled back our own politicians and defense contractors.
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A few points why I think @holdover had a good take,

NK has by many estimates anywhere from 30-50 nuclear warheads. And potentially more because no one really knows.

NK has a million man army that has been toughened up eating grass and dirt for half their lives living in squalor and pledging total loyalty to their death to dear leader while South Korea is so pampered and is very effeminate and can't even have enough sex to not have population loss. The south has a clear technology advantage but I think there are some intangibles here. Especially if the north starts getting some technological assistance from Russia which is very likely.


The US has given Ukraine priority for ALL new Patriot missiles to be delivered to. No orders are going to any other country even if they ordered them before.
Israel will very likely deplete their iron dome reserves (when) Hezbollah attacks and will likely resort to some very harsh tactics when that occurs.

I don't think it's out of the realm of possibility that all these separate hotzones around the world flare up near simultaneously as the local belligerents decide now is the time to act while the west is preoccupied elsewhere and spread too thin especially before the US election. It's certainly possible. Nothing happens in a vacuum.

Just my .02 cents.
 
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