Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)
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Thousands of Orthodox Christians in Western Ukraine marched for days to make a pilgrimage to Pachaevskaya Lavra Monastery. They held a mass prayer for peace and protection of their faith. Young and old marched on foot for over a hundred miles, disobeying the ban.
Robin
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The Ukraine incursion into Russia is interesting and makes me wonder just what Putin has in store. Given his vast superiority in men and equipment I figured he would treat it much the same way we did in WWII with the Falaise Pocket, the Battle of the Bulge and the Soviets (Russia) themselves in the battle of Stalingrad, which was to cut the bulge off at the neck, isolating those in the pocket and decimate them. A classic maneuver going all the way back to the Mongol's and probably further. He gives no indication of doing so, interesting. I do have alternate theories as to his plan but internet quarterbacking just isn't for me.
Robin
Robin
It will be treated like Robotinoye and Krynky, two major gains of last year's Ukrainian offensive. Now that Ukraine invested its propaganda, equipment and men into Kursk incursion, they will keep sending replacements of loses, until they realize it is hopeless and give up. Russians will just keep using artillery and air assaults. It's not an encirclement, it's a different kind of trap.
holdover
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That's the wildest video I've seen today. Cool thanks for sharing. Reminds me of a B17 waist gunner. Wild scene to see.
holdover
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I was thinking of the B17's too.
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this war is still ongoing WTH!!!
I would have ended this in 3 months ..
Drop Bears
I would have ended this in 3 months ..
Drop Bears
spat
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I will be seriously disappointed if the Australian Army doesn't have a paratrooper division called the Drop Bears....
They will get them in shape in no time.
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holdover
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.If the (Ukrainians - TASS) wish to get long-range means of attack, such as cruise and ballistic missiles, then this buffer zone should stretch as far as Poland," he said.
MOSCOW, September 4. /TASS/. A buffer zone on the border with Ukraine is crucial to Russia to protect itself from shellings by the Ukrainian military and its width will depend on what type of weapons will be supplied to Kiev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council, Dmitry Medvedev, said at a meeting with TASS staff.
"Obviously, we need to create a buffer zone for the future to ensure that nothing flies in. Its size is anyone’s guess, but it should be sufficient.If they (Ukrainians - TASS) wish to get long-range means of attack, such as cruise and ballistic missiles, then this buffer zone should stretch as far as Poland," he said.
MOSCOW, September 4. /TASS/. A buffer zone on the border with Ukraine is crucial to Russia to protect itself from shellings by the Ukrainian military and its width will depend on what type of weapons will be supplied to Kiev, the Deputy Chairman of Russia’s Security Council, Dmitry Medvedev, said at a meeting with TASS staff.
"Obviously, we need to create a buffer zone for the future to ensure that nothing flies in. Its size is anyone’s guess, but it should be sufficient.If they (Ukrainians - TASS) wish to get long-range means of attack, such as cruise and ballistic missiles, then this buffer zone should stretch as far as Poland," he said.
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Ukraine urges families in Pokrovsk to flee townpublished at 15:30 British Summer Time 19 August
15:30 BST 19 August
The government has urged families with children to evacuate the town of Pokrovsk as Russian troops continue to move closer to the city.
"Recently the front has come too close," Donetsk governor Vadym Filashkin says, ordering the "compulsory" evacuation of children and their parents from 14 localities in the area.
Over 53,000 people, including almost 4,000 children still live in the town, Filashkin adds.
"Children's safety is the responsibility of adults. When our cities are within range of virtually any enemy weapon, the decision to evacuate is necessary and inevitable," he says.
In parallel to responding to Kyiv's Kursk incursion, Russian troops have made some significant gains to the north-west of Ukraine's Donetsk region.
In response, Ukraine has ordered the evacuation of the city of Pokrovsk, with the Russian advance towards the city being the most notable change in front line control near Donetsk in several months.
Pokrovsk - Ukraine's defensive stronghold - sits on the intersection of a main road supplying Ukrainian troops and towns across the eastern front.
Pokrovsk, a city with a prewar population of about 60,000, sits on a key road linking several cities that form a defensive arc protecting the part of Donetsk that is still held by Ukraine.
Pokrovsk is also a logistical hub for the Ukrainian Army, given that it sits on a key road linking several Ukrainian-held cities in the region, including Kramatorsk, Kostiantynivka and Sloviansk. The road, Highway T054, is already within range of Russian artillery and drone strikes, but Ukraine’s army continues to use it.
"Pokrovsk is a very important hub, a centre of defence. If we lose Pokrovsk, the entire front line will crumble," military expert Mykhaylo Zhyrokhov warned.
Ukraine relies on the town's rail and road infrastructure to provide supplies and reinforcements to its troops on the eastern front line, as well as to evacuate the wounded.
It would also increase the risk to other strategically important towns, such as Chasiv Yar, which sits atop commanding heights giving control over the wider area.
"If they cut our logistics, then Chasiv Yar will be doomed," says analyst Pavlo Narozhny. "It will be a matter of time before we'll have to pull out of it because we won't be able to supply our fighters there."
Pokrovsk has always played the role of an important railway centre serving the needs of Ukraine's heavily industrialised east.
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Pokrovsk is Donbas. They ordered compulsory evacuation because they know that without Ukro-Nationalist enforcers, most of native population will gladly accept Russian citizenship. Even during WWII there was no compulsory evacuation of the civilians.
holdover
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To be fair, Ukraine is going to fight like demons to hold it . its going to be a giant cemetery, Its a do or die situation for Ukraine , they cant retreat and they cant go forward.
Robin
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Two peas, one pod.
Robin
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The only difference is the west started the war
Robin
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Russia has had an ongoing violent insurgency into the Ukraine ever since the boarders were defined and agreed upon.
Russiaphilians.
Robin
Russiaphilians.
Robin
Bullshit, there was nothing before Maidan. The conflict was provoked by the West and now the West is fueling the war to weaken Russia without a shred of concern for lives lost on both sides. Borris Johnson just suggested to lower conscription age in Ukraine to 18.
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When one steps in bullshit, it is fact.
Robin Zeno
Robin Zeno
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Losing the entire black sea fleet,and giving the entire black sea and the shipping lanes to NATO probably didnt have anythingto do with it.