Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Drinkthekoolaid]

The war is going very badly for both sides. Both sides are losing far more than they can tolerate and I think one of them will do something pretty stupid out of desperation, more likely Ukraine but time will tell. The true non propaganda casualties on both sides has to be enormous.

Maybe Belarus will open a new northern front. Maybe there will be a radiological incident.
Maybe NATO or a NATO country will directly get involved

 

[holdover]

Its going worse for Ukraine , desertions are over 20,000 according to Ukraine, probably twice that , it getting to be a big problem . Unit cohesion cant be kept with large numbers of desertions , one of the reasons the front lines are fragmenting , moral is bad, supplies are low , training is a minimum , rotation from the front is almost zero , fatalities are high. for the last month or two they have lost town after town with the exception of the kursk offensive The winter is comming and the supply lines will be even slower,

If the Russians take or encircle Pokrovsk it will be even worse. I think they are like 5 miles or so from it .

Strategically Russia has all the resources and manpower it needs , and it has allies providing extra munitions . It cant match the west in funds but it produces arms far cheaper . the attacks on Moscow are desperate, It wont affect the outcome of the war only enrage and solidify the Russians resolve.

I suspect, the Russians now have an entire army in reserve in case Poland or NATO decide they want to play , and the west is fully aware of it

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Its going worse for Ukraine , desertions are over 20,000 according to Ukraine, probably twice that , it getting to be a big problem . Unit cohesion cant be kept with large numbers of desertions , one of the reasons the front lines are fragmenting , moral is bad, supplies are low , training is a minimum , rotation from the front is almost zero , fatalities are high. for the last month or two they have lost town after town with the exception of the kursk offensive The winter is comming and the supply lines will be even slower,

If the Russians take or encircle Pokrovsk it will be even worse. I think they are like 5 miles or so from it .

Strategically Russia has all the resources and manpower it needs , and it has allies providing extra munitions . It cant match the west in funds but it produces arms far cheaper . the attacks on Moscow are desperate, It wont affect the outcome of the war only enrage and solidify the Russians resolve.

I suspect, the Russians now have an entire army in reserve in case Poland or NATO decide they want to play , and the west is fully aware of it

Ukraine cannot sustain this.

I bet those dudes kidnapped off the streets and stuffed into vans get about a weeks worth of training, maybe train with 100 bullets and the they go to the front where they are probably totally ineffective and more of a liability than anything. They probably have a 50-75% casualty rate for their first month of service which is absurdly high.

It seems the only time Ukrainian units get rotated from the front for more than a day or 2 is if they get wounded and need medical attention.

Ukraine simply doesn't have the manpower to keep this up much longer. That leads me to my point of they are likely going to start doing some desperate things.

 

[MothMan]

Ukrainian drone attack on Moscow.

MSN

 

[MothMan]

A woman is killed near Moscow after more than 140 Ukrainian drones target Russia, officials say

The attack also prompted the authorities to temporarily shut down three airports just outside Moscow — Vnukovo, Domodedovo and Zhukovsky.

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[holdover]

It doesnt help to change anything, if anything its going to fill the Russians with a resolve to end this ASAP

remember the German blitz in WW2 or the allied bombings in Germany. The people just became more determined to win and more convinced they had no other option but fight. This just looks like anger to me. It might help the guys in the trenches moral for a little while , but The destruction or surrender of the Ukraine army is inevitable.

 

[Mosinitis]

Ukrainian tactics are based on wishful thinking. Russian people, oligarchs, generals will get angry at Putin for getting them into this and do a regime change. To be fair Russians are hoping for the same with Zelensky. The big difference, Putin is serving Russia's national interests. Zelensky doesn't serve Ukraine's.

 

[Mosinitis]

Russian forces began counterattack at Kursk.

 

[holdover]

Russia Informs UN Security Council 'Direct War' With NATO Assured If US Approves Long-Range Strikes:

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Russia Informs UN Security Council 'Direct War' With NATO Assured If US Approves Long-Range Strikes:

FJB.

This is all so predictable and avoidable. We've all been saying this is where we are headed.

Let's go Brandon and anyone who voted for him and anyone who thinks what's happening in Ukraine is a good idea.

The world is probably the most destabilized since the Cuban missile crisis and I don't think that comparison is hyperbole either. Our media is glossing over how bad things are and how much tension there is and how real the threat is because if the American people comprehended the situation they wouldn't be going along with the political push to incrementally get dragged into ww3 for politicians, bankers and American conglomerates to get rich.

 

[Mosinitis]

Polish politician tells Blinken to get lost.

 

[holdover]

FJB.

This is all so predictable and avoidable. We've all been saying this is where we are headed.

Let's go Brandon and anyone who voted for him and anyone who thinks what's happening in Ukraine is a good idea.

The world is probably the most destabilized since the Cuban missile crisis and I don't think that comparison is hyperbole either. Our media is glossing over how bad things are and how much tension there is and how real the threat is because if the American people comprehended the situation they wouldn't be going along with the political push to incrementally get dragged into ww3 for politicians, bankers and American conglomerates to get rich.

Demonstrates whos been escalateing all along..media is quiet on this but will loop images of russian attacks on europen air fields as un provoked agression.

 

[Mosinitis]

Most people don't follow foreign affairs closely. They presume U.S. is always a good guy and foreign leaders who resist U.S. dominance are evil dictators and thugs, because well dressed and groomed news anchors tell them so and mainstream of both parties don't challenge that assertion. However there are many that do follow the events.
Military-Industrial Complex is theorizing that Putin just talks and will not do anything in response to NATO's crossing the red lines. They have plenty of past examples. This narrative is well known and will be hard to back away from should there be a response. They will own it.
Direct war with Russia is the last thing I want to occur, but everything is pointing in that direction. There is a breaking point for everything and the blame will go to idiots in Washington and Brussels who play a game of chicken.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Demonstrates whos been escalateing all along..media is quiet on this but will loop images of russian attacks on europen air fields as un provoked agression.

100% that's exactly what I am envisioning to happen.

"Look at the aggressor Russia, they launched an unprovoked attack upon ___________ base in ___________, they've now attacked NATO our defensive alliance and we must respond we can't show weakness in the face of this unprovoked attack".

And 75% of western citizens will buy it hook line and sinker. We're all being setup and there are people who absolutely will not comprehend Russia is justified in using their weapons to attack NATO assets which are being used to kill Russians.

Make the same analogy, if we are at war with Canada or Mexico and Russia gives Russian weapons to our enemy and Russians provide the Intel, targeting and live data, and Russian advisors assist the entire command and control and logistics function and the Canadians are using this to kill American military and civilians we would lose our shit and be screaming to attack the Russian logistics links. Well, the shoe is on the other foot And our media is silent And most people have no idea of critical thinking and seem incapable of drawing their own conclusions.

 

[MothMan]

100% that's exactly what I am envisioning to happen.

"Look at the aggressor Russia, they launched an unprovoked attack upon ___________ base in ___________, they've now attacked NATO our defensive alliance and we must respond we can't show weakness in the face of this unprovoked attack".

And 75% of western citizens will buy it hook line and sinker. We're all being setup and there are people who absolutely will not comprehend Russia is justified in using their weapons to attack NATO assets which are being used to kill Russians.

Make the same analogy, if we are at war with Canada or Mexico and Russia gives Russian weapons to our enemy and Russians provide the Intel, targeting and live data, and Russian advisors assist the entire command and control and logistics function and the Canadians are using this to kill American military and civilians we would lose our shit and be screaming to attack the Russian logistics links. Well, the shoe is on the other foot And our media is silent And most people have no idea of critical thinking and seem incapable of drawing their own conclusions.

Or Russia uses a 3rd party to strike behind NATO’s lines like Los Angeles.

 

[holdover]

Putin himself, not a spokesperson, came right out and said it. Russia will see this as act of war by NATO and will respond .

Pretty fucking clear language . Although I believe he would wait until after the election to do anything in the off chance Trump gets in and slows things down , If Kommunist Harris wins , its game on. no where to go for Russia .

 

[ManualF150]

Putin himself, not a spokesperson, came right out and said it. Russia will see this as act of war by NATO and will respond .

Pretty fucking clear language . Although I believe he would wait until after the election to do anything in the off chance Trump gets in and slows things down , If Kommunist Harris wins , its game on. no where to go for Russia .

Unfortunately, I agree. I am really hoping Trump pulls aid and goes sees Putin himself and works things out at the conference table.

The right thing to do is to have the US/NATO quit antagonizing Russia and make amends like real men.

I want to see this again:

 

[holdover]

Heres an uncut video of Putin explaining why

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[holdover]

There is no way for the Russians to tell if those incoming missiles are nuclear tipped

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

There is no way for the Russians to tell if those incoming missiles are nuclear tipped

Correct. And that's been our same argument against China and their obsession with developing and relying on allegedly "conventional tipped" ballistic missiles

 

[holdover]

Thye most obvious target would be the radar sights , Blinding Russia to any incoming strike . A first strike on Russian nuclear sites becomes possible. They are insane if they try this .

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Thye most obvious target would be the radar sights , Blinding Russia to any incoming strike . A first strike on Russian nuclear sites becomes possible. They are insane if they try this .

I don't think its coincidence that 1 or 2 of Russias over the horizon early warning radars have already been knocked off line.

 

[Mosinitis]

Russians are good at intercepting communications over Ukraine. Remember the infamous Nuland (fuck the EU) tape. All of these sophisticated weapons systems are operated by people who speak non-Ukrainian languages. Putin also made this point in the past and the West, while not admitting it, didn't really push back. The West didn't deny it, because Russians have the recordings to prove it.

This is still not denied, it is simply not mentioned to the public by Western media.

 

[livingston]

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U.S. Secretary of State Blinken and UK Foreign Secretary David Lammy will travel to Kyiv to inform Ukraine that the restrictions on using long-range missiles against Russian territory will be lifted.

 

[livingston]

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Ukraine does not have long range missiles, nor the targeting system to use them. Therefore, as Vladimir Putin rightly noted, if such missiles are launched and strike Russia they are coming from NATO. Russia will respond accordingly!

 

[livingston]

On Cam: NATO Nation’s Politician Launches Scathing Attack On Blinken; ‘Won’t Die For U.S.’ Wars…’​

Can we survive until the election ?

 

[livingston]

Citizen of the Former Republic
September 14, 2024 9:18 pm


So Joe’s mental state allows him to influence discussions and decisions that could lead up to the “big one” but can’t face some hack DOJ prosecutor because of his mental state?

Major Escalation - NATO Threatening to Launch Long-Range Missiles into Russia from Ukraine - Vladimir Putin Responds - The Last Refuge

I’m going to drop a series of short video segments highlighting how the Biden administration is coaxing NATO allies into a position of war against Russia using an escalation within the proxy state of Ukraine. This is not getting nearly enough attention. Ukraine (Zelensky), Canada (Trudeau), the...

theconservativetreehouse.com

 

[livingston]

 

[Mosinitis]

Anti-Proxiwar movement is growing throughout Europe.

 

[holdover]

for everyone who's been parroting since Feb 2022 that Russia's invasion is "not about NATO," was "never about NATO," has "nothing to do with NATO," here it is from @NATO Secretary General @jensstoltenberg: Russia "went to war to prevent more #NATO close to [its] borders."

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