Ukraine - Russia Conflict (Original Title: Things are heating up in the Donbass)

[Drinkthekoolaid]

And there are 8 people watching this thread

 

[spat]

Four billion dollars spent by U.S. on hate mongering propaganda and propping up of violent extremist groups to transition Ukraine into a hostile state only prior to 2014 (by U.S. government own admission). U.S. supported and aided terrorism and violence against Russia population in Donbas and pro-Russian segment of Ukrainian society. Openly advocated genocide by American politicians and military leaders.

Putin's biggest mistake is not taking military action sooner.

I still don't think this ends well for Russia.

And certainly not well enough to justify the damage he has done to the population.

Russia can't afford to lose half a million military aged men. This may make their demographic problems even worse than the Chinese and Japanese.

 

[Mosinitis]

I still don't think this ends well for Russia.

And certainly not well enough to justify the damage he has done to the population.

Russia can't afford to lose half a million military aged men. This may make their demographic problems even worse than the Chinese and Japanese.

Russia is more united, Russia is larger, Russia is stronger militarily, BRICS is the fastest growing International partnership. I don't see the decline.

 

[spat]

Russia is more united, Russia is larger, Russia is stronger militarily, BRICS is the fastest growing International partnership. I don't see the decline.

You will

 

[tirwin1]

Russia is more united, Russia is larger, Russia is stronger militarily, BRICS is the fastest growing International partnership. I don't see the decline.

Take a look at their demographic profile and projections and then get back to us.

 

[Mosinitis]

Take a look at their demographic profile and projections and then get back to us.

Military loses are not the roots of this problem, lack thereof is not the solution. Most of Europe has this problem.

 

[tirwin1]

Military loses are not the roots of this problem, lack thereof is not the solution. Most of Europe has this problem.

The fact most of europe has this problem is irrelevant. Before the war russia was literally a dying country (more deaths than births). War losses among males in the prime baby making years only exacerbated the situation. As for BRICs being the fastest growing international partnership - that is a laugh. Which currency are those countries going to make as their new reserve currency?

 

[Mosinitis]

The fact most of europe has this problem is irrelevant. Before the war russia was literally a dying country (more deaths than births). War losses among males in the prime baby making years only exacerbated the situation. As for BRICs being the fastest growing international partnership - that is a laugh. Which currency are those countries going to make as their new reserve currency?

Russia was dying in the 1990's, not before the war. Only a fraction of able bodied males are fighting the war and they are not conscripts who have yet to start a family. Whether BRICS trade in dollars, yuen or rubles, it still benefits Russia.

Talking down Russia helps who? Go work for CNN.

 

[spat]

Military loses are not the roots of this problem, lack thereof is not the solution. Most of Europe has this problem.

Most developed nations have the problem.

China and Japan are some of the worst.

It's a consequence of the "population growth is our enemy" philosophy that the green weenies were pushing for decades.

But, I sure wouldn't want to be looking at retiring in Russia in the next couple decades.

Or China.

 

[holdover]

I still don't think this ends well for Russia.

Russia will come out of this stronger than when she entered.

And certainly not well enough to justify the damage he has done to the population.

Russia can't afford to lose half a million military aged men. This may make their demographic problems even worse than the Chinese and Japanese

The damage done to her population is minor , She will also swallow up huge amounts of Ukrainians to help offset the loses

The strategic benefits of taking the largest richest food produceing coal producing, natural gas producing mineral producing areas of Ukraine and possibly the port of Odessa will have strong economic benefits for Russia ,

 

[spat]

Russia will come out of this stronger than when she entered.



The damage done to her population is minor , She will also swallow up huge amounts of Ukrainians to help offset the loses

The strategic benefits of taking the largest richest food produceing coal producing, natural gas producing mineral producing areas of Ukraine and possibly the port of Odessa will have strong economic benefits for Russia ,

Nice to see you guys drop the ridiculous pretense that this was somehow about defending Russians and finally admit it what it was really about.

A good old fashioned war of conquest.

It also clearly demonstrates why NATO cannot allow it.

Appeasement *always* makes things worse.

 

[holdover]

Nice to see you guys drop the ridiculous pretense that this was somehow about defending Russians and finally admit it what it was really about.

A good old fashioned war of conquest.

It also clearly demonstrates why NATO cannot allow it.

Appeasement *always* makes things worse.

LOL, it was never a war of conquest. Those are not the reasons the invasion happened . There are a lot of bright officers and generals, (a few NCO's: ) that didnt take the money that Agree with that.

 

[Vapor]

 

[Robin]

 

[Robin]

 

[tirwin1]

It’s Russian Men Against Ukrainian Machines on the Battlefields in Ukraine
Desperately short of infantry, Kyiv is using aerial drones to pick off Russian infantry. It’s slowing, but not stopping, the Russian advance.

https://archive.is/INbWX#selection-2251.0-2255.141

 

[Mosinitis]

Russian forces fully captured Toretsk (Dzerzhinsk) and its mines after a long battle.

https://www.rt.com/russia/612344-key-donbass-city-russian/

 

[Robin]

Verified Russian Deaths in Ukraine War Exceed 90K - The Moscow Times

The number of verified Russian troops killed in Ukraine has surpassed 90,000, nearly three years after the Kremlin launched its full-scale invasion, according to an independent tally by the BBC’s Russian service and the Mediazona news website.

www.themoscowtimes.com

Truth is to be, at a minimum, three time what is being reported. Course their tactics haven't changed since WWI.

Robin

 

[holdover]

Those numbers are closer to accurate Than some media sources , May even be a little low .

 

[holdover]

James Wilton, from Huddersfield, had no military experience before volunteering to fight against Russia

Briton, 18, killed by Russian drone minutes into first mission in Ukraine – report​

James Wilton, from Huddersfield, had no military experience before volunteering to fight against Russia



An 18-year-old British man was killed in a Russian drone strike, just minutes into his first mission after volunteering to fight in Ukraine.

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Briton, 18, killed by Russian drone minutes into first mission in Ukraine – report

James Wilton, from Huddersfield, had no military experience before volunteering to fight against Russia

www.theguardian.com

 

[Mosinitis]

Russian military pioneered fiber optics drones. There are limitations on their use, but they have some advantages and they can't be disabled by electronic means.

The New Drones Boosting Russia's Advances On The Battlefield In Ukraine

Russia's transition to drones directed by fiber-optic cables, which makes jamming ineffective, is giving them an advantage on the battlefield as Kyiv and Moscow gear up for a pivotal stretch of fighting ahead of U.S. President-elect Donald Trump's return to office.

www.rferl.org

 

[Robin]

Another Russian fails first solo flight.

Access Restricted

Full list of Russians to fall out of windows since Putin invaded Ukraine

A series of mysterious deaths have involved prominent Russian figures since the Ukraine war began last February.

www.newsweek.com

Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

Well, the plan was to hit Russia with so many sanctions that Russian oligarchs and government officials will overthrow Putin. This regime change plan was pushed by the media and Russophobs in the U.S. I guess this plan is also out of the window now.

 

[Mosinitis]

British groomed alcoholic with a guitar, who was never a celebrity in Russia, will not be missed. This is not 1980's, the use of arts by the West, as a soft weapon will not work.

 

[Robin]

You could have been a volunteer and got free citizenship Mozy, I think you missed your window.
Robin

 

[Robin]

 

[Mosinitis]

How much do you have to drink to look like that at 58. Google this asshole, there isn't any record of his performances on stage. Late bloomer? Good luck singing and dancing into regime change in Russia. I think these window dives are done to send a message, there are easier and less conspicuous ways to take someone out. It's a big FUCK YOU to Western intelligence services.

 

[Robin]

Huh! makes you wonder why Putin had him murdered if thats the case, but then, murders gotta murder.
Robin

 

[Mosinitis]

Huh! makes you wonder why Putin had him murdered if thats the case, but then, murders gotta murder.
Robin

I doubt Putin even knew about his existence

 

[holdover]

Huh! makes you wonder why Putin had him murdered if thats the case, but then, murders gotta murder.
Robin

If you heard him sing you would understand.