Government Shutdown

[Shadow rider]

Good choice.

I was born and raised in and around the rural swamps of South Carolina, and you're not wrong.

Ask me how I know.

Good choice.

I was born and raised in and around the rural swamps of South Carolina, and you're not wrong.

Ask me how I know.

Do tell!!! I love a good snake tail (tale)!

 

[spat]

If you are an excepted or exempt employee it does cost you leave. Excepted and exempt employees must report to work, if they don’t they must take sick leave/ regular leave or be counted AWOL. That is why you are hearing stories of people calling out sick. When this is over all that time will be recouped.

That's the point. Any time off you take now gets refunded when it's over.

So anyone with any time in the bank would be a fool not to use it.

That's where the labor shortages comes from, even among "essential" employees who have to keep working.

 

[dsdmmat]

That's the point. Any time off you take now gets refunded when it's over.

So anyone with any time in the bank would be a fool not to use it.

That's where the labor shortages comes from, even among "essential" employees who have to keep working.

No it doesn’t. I am an excepted employee, all the time I take has to be taken as leave. The only thing that gets restored is my pay, I have not got from the beginning of the shutdown. The time I take off will be deducted from my leave balance.

 

[tirwin1]

I just received a note from my health insurance company. The cost for my reasonably high deductible health care plan will increase by 27.5% next year. All the swear words.

I am in no mood for extending "temporary" provisions to anyone else, particularly if a single dollar is going to an illegal alien.

 

[GOPerfect]

Health insurance in the US will not be mended until Americans cancel their plans. Massive, in force, cancellations.

 

[Parzival]

Health insurance in the US will not be mended until Americans cancel their plans. Massive, in force, cancellations.

Concierge medicine is growing. I’ve moved to it for my primary care but unfortunately have kept insurance for big stuff…maybe some day.

 

[GOPerfect]

Concierge medicine is growing. I’ve moved to it for my primary care but unfortunately have kept insurance for big stuff…maybe some day.

I really wish more Americans would search, learn and educate themselves on the proper care of the body.

So much that ails the people is easily fixable and curable by eating right, and working the body.

Diabetes is a great example, most people that have this can cure themselves.

Get blood work done. Research what the numbers mean and correct any and all deficiencies on your own.

 

[Parzival]

I really wish more Americans would search, learn and educate themselves on the proper care of the body.

So much that ails the people is easily fixable and curable by eating right, and working the body.

Diabetes is a great example, most people that have this can cure themselves.

Get blood work done. Research what the numbers mean and correct any and all deficiencies on your own.

Yeah, type two diabetes shouldn’t even exist. High blood pressure, high cholesterol…other examples.

We don’t have health care, we have sick care. They don’t care about keeping you healthy…there’s no money in it.

 

[tirwin1]

I really wish more Americans would search, learn and educate themselves on the proper care of the body.

So much that ails the people is easily fixable and curable by eating right, and working the body.

Diabetes is a great example, most people that have this can cure themselves.

Get blood work done. Research what the numbers mean and correct any and all deficiencies on your own.

I recently heard alzheimers referred to as "Type 3 diabetes". Interesting.

 

[GOPerfect]

Yeah, type two diabetes shouldn’t even exist. High blood pressure, high cholesterol…other examples.

We don’t have health care, we have sick care. They don’t care about keeping you healthy…there’s no money in it.

We have a few really smart guys on this forum that used to put out a lot of great health information for us all.

A huge change for me was going carnivore. My BP went way down, lost a bunch of unhealthy weight and my numbers on my blood work really leveled out nicely.

I cheat from time to time, but I am about 90% carnivore and I have never felt better.

So many things that can be done for our health instead of listening to so many quack Dr.s that are on big Pharma payroll.

 

[CaseHardened]

My jaw drops when I hear well intentioned people suggest donating to Food Banks.

Yes, there may be some that are well run, with volunteers. But I'll bet quite a few have administrators taking a heavy slice right off the top for themselves.

 

[Saltwater60]

The real problem with these government shut downs is they never shut down enough, and it's always temporary.

I don’t know anyone that’s noticed anything with the shutdown except maybe the people not getting paid.

 

[FP1201]

Stuff like that is good to keep a couple in the truck.

Not so much "emergency" stuff, more like when you're stuck out in the boondocks a lot longer than you expected on some job and you're *really* missing dinner.

I.e. not survival rations, more like "keep the grumbling belly at bay so you can concentrate" rations

Ironically that about how I got the last case of MRE's pulling additional duties, I was monitoring the Gate to a holding yard for vehicles being deployed and was going to be there a LONG time...guy supervising the op called and asked if I was OK and wanted to know if I'd like something brought out for Dinner, jokingly I told him I was fine, (and I was) send a MRE if you want to send something, send a MRE....well he did, in fact he brought a whole case! That's looking out for your people!
Hey, it was better than the stale cheese crackers in the glove compartment.

 

[Acer-m14]

I can tell you as a fact that MRE Meals are vastly superior to the Dry Pasta complete with Pantry Moths and White Rice with living Weevils that are provided to Food Banks in Eastern Massachusetts.

Whatever funds are dedicated to Food Banks are likely skimmed pretty heavily.

I don't know the cost of MRE, but I doubt they are cheap.

Half the issue with Food Banks is how they are burdened with Foreign Nationals who qualify as low income because the men work off the books.

 

[Acer-m14]

who was it that mentioned Spam and Noodles .. send me some Govt Cheese ..

come on man .,. don't be dissin the SPAM ..

 

[tirwin1]

Elon cuts to the heart of the matter:

 

[Acer-m14]

Elon cuts to the heart of the matter:

then they need to go to china or russia or NK ..

we are a Constitutional Republic .

the so called Smart one need to go back to school , yes , you Elon ..

they want to destroy the Republic

 

[Saltwater60]

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The Amish have a great scheme going. They have no power or central heat so no utility bills. Not sewer, no water charge either. They have a ton of kids for free labor and many do cash business deals. I know many in Amish areas and they all complain how it’s not fair because of what they do and how they do it. To me it’s pretty genius. They trade, barter and help each other out so they never pay a contractor for anything. They have no car or car insurance either. They must save $100,000 on bills alone.
All woode for hearing and building are made by the Amish or themselves. Many work construction all winter and farm all summer. Kids all work for them for free. Any small business will tell you labor is their number one cost. I respect the Amish and their way of life. Honestly sounds pretty good to me.

 

[Cavalry]

The Amish have a great scheme going. They have no power or central heat so no utility bills. Not sewer, no water charge either. They have a ton of kids for free labor and many do cash business deals. I know many in Amish areas and they all complain how it’s not fair because of what they do and how they do it. To me it’s pretty genius. They trade, barter and help each other out so they never pay a contractor for anything. They have no car or car insurance either. They must save $100,000 on bills alone.
All woode for hearing and building are made by the Amish or themselves. Many work construction all winter and farm all summer. Kids all work for them for free. Any small business will tell you labor is their number one cost. I respect the Amish and their way of life. Honestly sounds pretty good to me.

Parts of this are relevant but the Amish have changed greatly in the last 30 years and have plenty of expenditures just like the English. The sawmills they run operate on diesel and a not a small amount. They use diesel powered moden wheel loaders to move logs and sawn lumber at those mills, which have operational costs. They use a ton of kerosene to supplement wood heat and not a small amount. They are woefully dependent on English for transportation of more than 10-20 miles. Amish are more and more using modern framing techniques to include commercially made roof trusses, drywall, siding, concrete, roofing, etc. They love battery powered tools as its a loophole, they don't cut, drill or fasten by hand, they have mountains of Milwaukee. Horses are not cheap to keep and communities around here depend on English veterinarians and farriers. Pleanty of amish are no longer farming more that that the wife and kids can maintain, so a large garden, they buy what they need and work a 9-5 for the English or other Amish
As far as barter and helping others is a weird system akin to socialism. There is no opting out for help or giving money. If one needs help the commity does pick up the tab but often individuals take the fininacial hit.
They are cheap and reliable labor, craftsmanship is not what it use to be, but their system is far to what is was in the past.

 

[Saltwater60]

Parts of this are relevant but the Amish have changed greatly in the last 30 years and have plenty of expenditures just like the English. The sawmills they run operate on diesel and a not a small amount. They use diesel powered moden wheel loaders to move logs and sawn lumber at those mills, which have operational costs. They use a ton of kerosene to supplement wood heat and not a small amount. They are woefully dependent on English for transportation of more than 10-20 miles. Amish are more and more using modern framing techniques to include commercially made roof trusses, drywall, siding, concrete, roofing, etc. They love battery powered tools as its a loophole, they don't cut, drill or fasten by hand, they have mountains of Milwaukee. Horses are not cheap to keep and communities around here depend on English veterinarians and farriers. Pleanty of amish are no longer farming more that that the wife and kids can maintain, so a large garden, they buy what they need and work a 9-5 for the English or other Amish
As far as barter and helping others is a weird system akin to socialism. There is no opting out for help or giving money. If one needs help the commity does pick up the tab but often individuals take the fininacial hit.
They are cheap and reliable labor, craftsmanship is not what it use to be, but their system is far to what is was in the past.

Depending on community. The two communities I am familiar with are not that depend NT on the English. Yes some have farm equipment but many still uses horse for this. They do have fuel run saw mills but the difference there is where they get their lumber and how it’s paid for. Agreed horses are not cheap but they aren’t paying for feed or housing most times. They breed them and sell them or keep them offspring by me. They grow and can a lot of their own food and the farms by me are fairly large. They sell at auctions and you’d be surprised how big their operations are. They work from sun up to sundown except Sunday’s by me. The guys I know do it all themselves and a good at it. They have their hands in everything and make what I make without a lot of the expenses.
I agree some are modernizing but not all of them. Many confuse Amish and Mennonite, but I’m guessing you know the difference.
The other thing is they avoid or ignore a lot of the regulations to do this. I hear many complaining how they will clear out lakes by keeping undersized fish and hunt without regard to the rules.

 

[Cavalry]

I agree some are modernizing but not all of them. Many confuse Amish and Mennonite, but I’m guessing you know the difference.
The other thing is they avoid or ignore a lot of the regulations to do this. I hear many complaining how they will clear out lakes by keeping undersized fish and hunt without regard to the rules.

There is a heavy Amish presence here, its two different sects depending on which side of the river you are on, both are pretty much the same as far as strictness, just little differences like lights on buggies and color of shoes.
The Amish are so thick here the stores that they frequent have put up official hitching posts with signs showing a horse and buggy. As far as their hunting and fishing practices that is all true.

 

[Saltwater60]

There is a heavy Amish presence here, its two different sects depending on which side of the river you are on, both are pretty much the same as far as strictness, just little differences like lights on buggies and color of shoes.
The Amish are so thick here the stores that they frequent have put up official hitching posts with signs showing a horse and buggy. As far as their hunting and fishing practices that is all true.

The ones by me are strict. As in no electric at homes, but a few use tractors from barns in fields. The ones I deal with have gas light fixtures or battery powered lights. Many have modernized as you are observing.

 

[Defilade]

 

[livingston]

 

[Acer-m14]

Ben Franklin:
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.
If you make the poor comfortable in poverty, they will forever be in poverty and an eternal burden on those willing to work to improve themselves.

 

[spat]

Ben Franklin:
I am for doing good to the poor, but I differ in opinion of the means. I think the best way of doing good to the poor is not making them easy in poverty, but leading or driving them out of it.
If you make the poor comfortable in poverty, they will forever be in poverty and an eternal burden on those willing to work to improve themselves.

Liberals want to make the lives of the poor as easy as possible.

Conservatives want to make as many of the poor into middle class as possible.

That's because liberals see the poor as pets to be cared for, because liberals are elitist snobs, even if they themselves are barely middle class.

And Conservatives see the poor in general as fellow human beings who are fully capable of being useful members of society if they are given the right opportunities.

The consequence of the liberal mindset is that the poor have no agency and if they are not comfortable, it is societies fault and they need to care for like infants or pets, and excused for any misdeeds they commit.

The consequence of the conservative mindset is that means the poor who are given those opportunities and choose not to take them are responsible for their own problems and do not deserve any pity.

 

[spat]

The ones by me are strict. As in no electric at homes, but a few use tractors from barns in fields. The ones I deal with have gas light fixtures or battery powered lights. Many have modernized as you are observing.

Any place they draw the line is going to be arbitrary. Wheels were a modern discovery for half the world just a few hundred years ago.

And we went from horse and buggy to airplanes within just a couple decades a bit over 100 years ago, so a lot of their technology is already more advanced than the Wright brothers.

If you can use one of these ,



Why not one of these.

 

[Grimscale]

Any place they draw the line is going to be arbitrary.

That's just it, though... anything based on religion is arbitrary. It's all written by humans, based on what they want at that time (specifically written by those who seek to control others). Logic need not apply.

I think I've almost created a dent in my mother's belief that the Republicans are 100% at fault for the shutdown. She has some far enough to admit that both parties have their agenda and both parties are keeping things miserable for the lower class simply for their own political gain.

 

[tirwin1]

Liberals want to make the lives of the poor as easy as possible.

Conservatives want to make as many of the poor into middle class as possible.

That's because liberals see the poor as pets to be cared for, because liberals are elitist snobs, even if they themselves are barely middle class.

And Conservatives see the poor in general as fellow human beings who are fully capable of being useful members of society if they are given the right opportunities.

The consequence of the liberal mindset is that the poor have no agency and if they are not comfortable, it is societies fault and they need to care for like infants or pets, and excused for any misdeeds they commit.

The consequence of the conservative mindset is that means the poor who are given those opportunities and choose not to take them are responsible for their own problems and do not deserve any pity.

One of the best concise summaries of the differences between conservatives and liberals.

 

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