US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Nope. Our Nuke Subs hold 20-24 Nukes per boat.

It would take at least 10 of those boats to do what needs to be done.

This is one, W-76....

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I will say, it's unclear if they are currently equipped with single warheads or MIRVs.

Even if each missile had 3 independent targetable warheads you still need multiple subs.

 

[spat]

Nope. Our Nuke Subs hold 20-24 Nukes per boat.

It would take at least 10 of those boats to do what needs to be done.

This is one, W-76....

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The Ohios carry 24 missiles.

Each missile has 8-12 independently targetable warheads.

UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia

That's up to 288 warheads from a single Ohio. Each warhead can be targeted independently.

288 warheads is more than enough to put an end to Iran as a society.

We have 14 SSBN Ohios. Each capable of laying waste to an entire continent.

They are slowly being replaced by the Colombias.

 

[spat]

I will say, it's unclear if they are currently equipped with single warheads or MIRVs.

Even if each missile had 3 independent targetable warheads you still need multiple subs.

The Tridents IIs can carry as many as 12 warheads each.

It's possible we have them loaded down to singles. But they're also quite capable of carrying 288 warheads per boat and launching them all to different targets within a span of a few minutes.

They fly in at a high hypersonic velocity (Mach 20+) and hit their target within just a few minutes of launch.

Iran would completely cease to exist literally before they even knew what was happening.

 

[Defilade]

Iran strikes a civilian airport in Kuwait with a single drone and somehow that's WWIII ? And we started it ?

I guess world wars ain't what they used to be.

Guess you don't know how things escalate.

 

[spat]

Guess you don't know how things escalate.

I am familiar with how it's happened before.

But this isn't the assassination of Ferdinand.

Iran has no allies to drag into the fight with them.
In order to escalate into a world war you need allies on *both* sides of the conflict.

Now, Iran may be able to create plenty more enemies (and they seem to be doing a very good job of that), they have no allies to call on, and no potential allies that even *might* want a part of this.

So, how do you think this could escalate to anything but Iran alone vs us and whoever else wants in ?

 

[Beerman]

And your suggestion is what ? Ignore them until they start Nuking things we care about ?

And then NYC glows in the dark, then you'll complain that we didn't do anything to stop them ?

June, 2025, we were told tha5 Iran’s enrichment facilities were ‘totally obliterated,” and that they were pounded 20 years into the future. February, 2026, we were informed that Iran was two weeks away from having nuclear weapons. One of those statements is a lie.

When Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018, we no longer had the ability to visually monitor and inspect Iran’s uranium production labs. That allowed Iran to have 8 years of unmonitored production to do whatever they wanted, because there was no more agreement. If you think that has NOTHING to do with Iran enriching uranium over the past 8 years, you’re fooling yourself.

They dont have nuclear weapons. They weren’t even close to building their own.

 

[Beerman]

I am familiar with how it's happened before.

But this isn't the assassination of Ferdinand.

Iran has no allies to drag into the fight with them.
In order to escalate into a world war you need allies on *both* sides of the conflict.

Now, Iran may be able to create plenty more enemies (and they seem to be doing a very good job of that), they have no allies to call on, and no potential allies that even *might* want a part of this.

So, how do you think this could escalate to anything but Iran alone vs us and whoever else wants in ?

WWII, something something Japan, US oil blockade, something, 2026 something China oil, something Hormuz, blocked, nothing to see here.

 

[holdover]

Iran has no allies to drag into the fight with them.
In order to escalate into a world war you need allies on *both* sides of the conflict.

They have Allies , Russia and China , sure they arnt going to jump directly into the fight .Just like US was with great Britain and Russia, but they will supply and arm , share intelligence with them as much as they can, they will and have sent advisors to Iran. If it wasnt for them, I think Iran may have cracked already.

 

[holdover]

WWII, something something Japan, US oil blockade, something, 2026 something China oil, something Hormuz, blocked, nothing to see here.

Yeah theres a lot going on globally , You never know what spark may hit

 

[spat]

June, 2025, we were told tha5 Iran’s enrichment facilities were ‘totally obliterated,” and that they were pounded 20 years into the future. February, 2026, we were informed that Iran was two weeks away from having nuclear weapons. One of those statements is a lie.

When Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018, we no longer had the ability to visually monitor and inspect Iran’s uranium production labs. That allowed Iran to have 8 years of unmonitored production to do whatever they wanted, because there was no more agreement. If you think that has NOTHING to do with Iran enriching uranium over the past 8 years, you’re fooling yourself.

They dont have nuclear weapons. They weren’t even close to building their own.

You are misrepresenting what was said in those statements. You need to remember the 1st rule of media consumption. They all lie.

If you see a report that "Trump said" something, you shouldn't trust it any more than the "he told them to drink bleach" or "he called Nazis fine people" lies.

If you have a link of an official statement from the administration about that stuff post it. Otherwise I'm just going to assume you'll buy any lie the media tells as long as it reinforces your existing prejudices.

The enrichment facilities that were struck in June 2025 were destroyed. It would be easier to build new facilities from scratch than to repair them.

That doesn't mean their whole nuclear program was destroyed.

20 years is more than enough time to build a nuclear program from scratch. Probably 5 years is enough. That means it's not possible to set a program back farther than that.

And Trump tore up that agreement because it was worthless. Such agreements *never* stop a nuclear program. Bill Clinton proved that with North Korea. Iran was following that plan exactly.

Do you seriously believe that we could keep them from getting nukes by asking nicely ?

Doesn't their behavior attacking international maritime traffic and most of their neighbors in the middle east sufficiently demonstrate why you can't trust them to obey some agreement, and why you can't ever allow them to have a nuke ?

The Strait of Hormuz is a universally recognized international waterway. If Iran is going to violate that treaty so blatantly, why do you think they would follow some pinky swear not to build a bomb ?

 

[Beerman]

And here is Hegseth with an official press brief.

 

[holdover]

If Iran is going to violate that treaty so blatantly, why do you think they would follow some pinky swear not to build a bomb ?

The problem with that theory is that they have had nuclear reactors since the 70's, they have had the ability to enrich Uranium for almost 50 years

Offcially :

For decades, Iran cited a religious ruling (fatwa) by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei forbidding the production and use of nuclear weapons. the development, stockpiling, and use of all weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear arms, are strictly haram (forbidden in Islam)

A fatwa by Ali Khamenei, then supreme leader of Iran, against the development of nuclear weapons[1] dates back to the mid-1990s.[2] The first public announcement is reported to have occurred in October 2003, followed by an official statement at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Austria, in August 2005.


I wouldnt doubt Iran already has nuclear weapons or precursors to build them in short order . it would not be in Irans best interest to let the world know , as Israel would most likely use it as an excuse to launch a first strike claiming self defense like they always do.

If Iran were to demonstrate a nuclear weapon , how would Israel respond? I think they would freak out . but I dont know

The way I see it , Iran has had the means, motive and opportunity to build nukes for decades , so what stopped them from doing so? Not a whole lot. Its very likely they already have them . but impossible to know for certain .


the only thing really stopping any country from obtaining nukes is their own national policys, the tech stuff is childs play at this point its almost 100 year old technology . the cats been out of the bag for a long time , personally, I think they have them disassembled and scattered but could have them ready to go in short order . this way they can say they have no nukes and at the same time honor their own Fatwa.

but in any case, they could just purchase percussors from foreign nations . Nothing we can do is going to change the fact they have, or almost have nukes .Its a fools errand.

 

[spat]

The problem with that theory is that they have had nuclear reactors since the 70's, they have had the ability to enrich Uranium for almost 50 years

Offcially :

For decades, Iran cited a religious ruling (fatwa) by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei forbidding the production and use of nuclear weapons. the development, stockpiling, and use of all weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear arms, are strictly haram (forbidden in Islam)

A fatwa by Ali Khamenei, then supreme leader of Iran, against the development of nuclear weapons[1] dates back to the mid-1990s.[2] The first public announcement is reported to have occurred in October 2003, followed by an official statement at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Austria, in August 2005.


I wouldnt doubt Iran already has nuclear weapons or precursors to build them in short order . it would not be in Irans best interest to let the world know , as Israel would most likely use it as an excuse to launch a first strike claiming self defense like they always do.

If Iran were to demonstrate a nuclear weapon , how would Israel respond? I think they would freak out . but I dont know

The way I see it , Iran has had the means, motive and opportunity to build nukes for decades , so what stopped them from doing so? Not a whole lot. Its very likely they already have them . but impossible to know for certain .


the only thing really stopping any country from obtaining nukes is their own national policys, the tech stuff is childs play at this point its almost 100 year old technology . the cats been out of the bag for a long time , personally, I think they have them disassembled and scattered but could have them ready to go in short order . this way they can say they have no nukes and at the same time honor their own Fatwa.

but in any case, they could just purchase percussors from foreign nations . Nothing we can do is going to change the fact they have, or almost have nukes .Its a fools errand.

Yes, and every time they get close someone has to stop them.

If you try to continue that pattern indefinitely, sooner or later they'll sneak one past the goalie.

And while you're not wrong about the tech to build a bomb being well understood, you're glossing over the massive industrial effort needed to do it.

Most college physics departments have the knowledge to build one. But only a handful of countries on the planet have the industrial base needed to supply the materials.

It's no secret how to enrich uranium. But building and operating the centrifuges is very hard.

Iran had to import the special maraging steel necessary to build them because their domestic steel industry can't supply it for instance.

While every nuclear reactor makes plutonium, only specially designed ones can make weapons grade plutonium. Almost all reactor designs produce plutonium that is a mix of Pu240 and Pu239. You cannot build a bomb with that, and separating them is the same problem as enriching Uranium.

Special reactors that make weapons grade plutonium will produce almost pure Pu239 with no Pu240 contamination. There are only a handful of them, and Iran would never be allowed to build one.

 

[holdover]

The thing Israel was concerned with is that they have the ability to enrich, and its only on good faith that they dont . theres no way to know remember all those scientists the Mossad kept whacking in Iran? so Israel wanted those centrifuges out of commission,

In any case, the only way to be sure is an all out ground invasion . and Im absoulely against an Invasion bby US forces to secure Israels safety. not my fight.

 

[holdover]

Special reactors that make weapons grade plutonium will produce almost pure Pu239 with no Pu240 contamination. There are only a handful of them, and Iran would never be allowed to build one.

According to Israel they have the ability to enrich to 90% which I dont doubt , problem is enforcement

 

[spat]

According to Israel they have the ability to enrich to 90% which I dont doubt , problem is enforcement

Nobody enriches Plutonium. Nobody. You either make it pure in a special reactor from uranium or you don't bother with it at all.

Iran *had* the ability to enrich Uranium to 90% until last summer. But now all their delicate centrifuges are buried under a mountain.

What they have right now is maybe a couple thousand pounds of 60% Uranium. That's not enriched enough to build a bomb, but if they rebuild even part of their centrifuge cascades they could get it there relatively quickly.

Natural uranium is 0.7%. That 60% uranium is the result of enriching thousands of tons of natural uranium. That's why they were considered "so close".

 

[Defilade]

I am familiar with how it's happened before.

But this isn't the assassination of Ferdinand.

Iran has no allies to drag into the fight with them.
In order to escalate into a world war you need allies on *both* sides of the conflict.

Now, Iran may be able to create plenty more enemies (and they seem to be doing a very good job of that), they have no allies to call on, and no potential allies that even *might* want a part of this.

So, how do you think this could escalate to anything but Iran alone vs us and whoever else wants in ?

Ummm. You false flag other Countries by bombing them and blame it on Iran. Not that hard.

 

[Defilade]

Thomas Massie says the conspiracy theorists were right again about Section 224 of the NDAA, which he says will merge the United States military with the IDF.

Massie says the provision is treasonous and warns that it will force the United States to compromise its own security for Benjamin Netanyahu's demands.

"The difference between a conspiracy theory in Washington has been reduced from six months to six days

https://x.com/i/status/2063433566344667426

 

[holdover]

Iran *had* the ability to enrich Uranium to 90% until last summer. But now all their delicate centrifuges are buried under a mountain.

Ok so why continue war? mission accopmplished.

What they have right now is maybe a couple thousand pounds of 60% Uranium. That's not enriched enough to build a bomb,

And you know this for a fact?

That 60% uranium is the result of enriching thousands of tons of natural uranium. That's why they were considered "so close".

60% aint close. they've been doing that for years

 

[holdover]

Massie says the provision is treasonous and warns that it will force the United States to compromise its own security for Benjamin Netanyahu's demands.

Sounds like an awesome deal, hopefully they can vote in our elections too, maybe run for office