I will say, it's unclear if they are currently equipped with single warheads or MIRVs.
Even if each missile had 3 independent targetable warheads you still need multiple subs.
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I will say, it's unclear if they are currently equipped with single warheads or MIRVs.
Even if each missile had 3 independent targetable warheads you still need multiple subs.
spat
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The Ohios carry 24 missiles.
Each missile has 8-12 independently targetable warheads.
UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia UGM-133 Trident II - Wikipedia
That's up to 288 warheads from a single Ohio. Each warhead can be targeted independently.
288 warheads is more than enough to put an end to Iran as a society.
We have 14 SSBN Ohios. Each capable of laying waste to an entire continent.
They are slowly being replaced by the Colombias.
spat
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The Tridents IIs can carry as many as 12 warheads each.
It's possible we have them loaded down to singles. But they're also quite capable of carrying 288 warheads per boat and launching them all to different targets within a span of a few minutes.
They fly in at a high hypersonic velocity (Mach 20+) and hit their target within just a few minutes of launch.
Iran would completely cease to exist literally before they even knew what was happening.
Guess you don't know how things escalate.
spat
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I am familiar with how it's happened before.
But this isn't the assassination of Ferdinand.
Iran has no allies to drag into the fight with them.
In order to escalate into a world war you need allies on *both* sides of the conflict.
Now, Iran may be able to create plenty more enemies (and they seem to be doing a very good job of that), they have no allies to call on, and no potential allies that even *might* want a part of this.
So, how do you think this could escalate to anything but Iran alone vs us and whoever else wants in ?
Beerman
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June, 2025, we were told tha5 Iran’s enrichment facilities were ‘totally obliterated,” and that they were pounded 20 years into the future. February, 2026, we were informed that Iran was two weeks away from having nuclear weapons. One of those statements is a lie.
When Trump tore up the JCPOA in 2018, we no longer had the ability to visually monitor and inspect Iran’s uranium production labs. That allowed Iran to have 8 years of unmonitored production to do whatever they wanted, because there was no more agreement. If you think that has NOTHING to do with Iran enriching uranium over the past 8 years, you’re fooling yourself.
They dont have nuclear weapons. They weren’t even close to building their own.
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
WWII, something something Japan, US oil blockade, something, 2026 something China oil, something Hormuz, blocked, nothing to see here.
holdover
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They have Allies , Russia and China , sure they arnt going to jump directly into the fight .Just like US was with great Britain and Russia, but they will supply and arm , share intelligence with them as much as they can, they will and have sent advisors to Iran. If it wasnt for them, I think Iran may have cracked already.
holdover
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Yeah theres a lot going on globally , You never know what spark may hit
spat
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You are misrepresenting what was said in those statements. You need to remember the 1st rule of media consumption. They all lie.
If you see a report that "Trump said" something, you shouldn't trust it any more than the "he told them to drink bleach" or "he called Nazis fine people" lies.
If you have a link of an official statement from the administration about that stuff post it. Otherwise I'm just going to assume you'll buy any lie the media tells as long as it reinforces your existing prejudices.
The enrichment facilities that were struck in June 2025 were destroyed. It would be easier to build new facilities from scratch than to repair them.
That doesn't mean their whole nuclear program was destroyed.
20 years is more than enough time to build a nuclear program from scratch. Probably 5 years is enough. That means it's not possible to set a program back farther than that.
And Trump tore up that agreement because it was worthless. Such agreements *never* stop a nuclear program. Bill Clinton proved that with North Korea. Iran was following that plan exactly.
Do you seriously believe that we could keep them from getting nukes by asking nicely ?
Doesn't their behavior attacking international maritime traffic and most of their neighbors in the middle east sufficiently demonstrate why you can't trust them to obey some agreement, and why you can't ever allow them to have a nuke ?
The Strait of Hormuz is a universally recognized international waterway. If Iran is going to violate that treaty so blatantly, why do you think they would follow some pinky swear not to build a bomb ?
Beerman
6.5 Creedmoor
holdover
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The problem with that theory is that they have had nuclear reactors since the 70's, they have had the ability to enrich Uranium for almost 50 years
Offcially :
For decades, Iran cited a religious ruling (fatwa) by Supreme Leader Ali Khamenei forbidding the production and use of nuclear weapons. the development, stockpiling, and use of all weapons of mass destruction, including nuclear arms, are strictly haram (forbidden in Islam)
A fatwa by Ali Khamenei, then supreme leader of Iran, against the development of nuclear weapons[1] dates back to the mid-1990s.[2] The first public announcement is reported to have occurred in October 2003, followed by an official statement at a meeting of the International Atomic Energy Agency (IAEA) in Vienna, Austria, in August 2005.
I wouldnt doubt Iran already has nuclear weapons or precursors to build them in short order . it would not be in Irans best interest to let the world know , as Israel would most likely use it as an excuse to launch a first strike claiming self defense like they always do.
If Iran were to demonstrate a nuclear weapon , how would Israel respond? I think they would freak out . but I dont know
The way I see it , Iran has had the means, motive and opportunity to build nukes for decades , so what stopped them from doing so? Not a whole lot. Its very likely they already have them . but impossible to know for certain .
the only thing really stopping any country from obtaining nukes is their own national policys, the tech stuff is childs play at this point its almost 100 year old technology . the cats been out of the bag for a long time , personally, I think they have them disassembled and scattered but could have them ready to go in short order . this way they can say they have no nukes and at the same time honor their own Fatwa.
but in any case, they could just purchase percussors from foreign nations . Nothing we can do is going to change the fact they have, or almost have nukes .Its a fools errand.
spat
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Yes, and every time they get close someone has to stop them.
If you try to continue that pattern indefinitely, sooner or later they'll sneak one past the goalie.
And while you're not wrong about the tech to build a bomb being well understood, you're glossing over the massive industrial effort needed to do it.
Most college physics departments have the knowledge to build one. But only a handful of countries on the planet have the industrial base needed to supply the materials.
It's no secret how to enrich uranium. But building and operating the centrifuges is very hard.
Iran had to import the special maraging steel necessary to build them because their domestic steel industry can't supply it for instance.
While every nuclear reactor makes plutonium, only specially designed ones can make weapons grade plutonium. Almost all reactor designs produce plutonium that is a mix of Pu240 and Pu239. You cannot build a bomb with that, and separating them is the same problem as enriching Uranium.
Special reactors that make weapons grade plutonium will produce almost pure Pu239 with no Pu240 contamination. There are only a handful of them, and Iran would never be allowed to build one.
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
The thing Israel was concerned with is that they have the ability to enrich, and its only on good faith that they dont . theres no way to know remember all those scientists the Mossad kept whacking in Iran? so Israel wanted those centrifuges out of commission,
In any case, the only way to be sure is an all out ground invasion . and Im absoulely against an Invasion bby US forces to secure Israels safety. not my fight.
In any case, the only way to be sure is an all out ground invasion . and Im absoulely against an Invasion bby US forces to secure Israels safety. not my fight.
holdover
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According to Israel they have the ability to enrich to 90% which I dont doubt , problem is enforcement
spat
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Nobody enriches Plutonium. Nobody. You either make it pure in a special reactor from uranium or you don't bother with it at all.
Iran *had* the ability to enrich Uranium to 90% until last summer. But now all their delicate centrifuges are buried under a mountain.
What they have right now is maybe a couple thousand pounds of 60% Uranium. That's not enriched enough to build a bomb, but if they rebuild even part of their centrifuge cascades they could get it there relatively quickly.
Natural uranium is 0.7%. That 60% uranium is the result of enriching thousands of tons of natural uranium. That's why they were considered "so close".
Ummm. You false flag other Countries by bombing them and blame it on Iran. Not that hard.
Thomas Massie says the conspiracy theorists were right again about Section 224 of the NDAA, which he says will merge the United States military with the IDF.
Massie says the provision is treasonous and warns that it will force the United States to compromise its own security for Benjamin Netanyahu's demands.
"The difference between a conspiracy theory in Washington has been reduced from six months to six days
Massie says the provision is treasonous and warns that it will force the United States to compromise its own security for Benjamin Netanyahu's demands.
"The difference between a conspiracy theory in Washington has been reduced from six months to six days
holdover
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Ok so why continue war? mission accopmplished.
And you know this for a fact?
60% aint close. they've been doing that for years
holdover
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Sounds like an awesome deal, hopefully they can vote in our elections too, maybe run for office
TEOTWAWKI inc.
.338 Win Mag
Reports of Iran breaking ceasefire, firing missile at Israel in retaliation for Israeli strikes on Lebanon.
"Negotiations are nearly finalized" (probably someone).
"Negotiations are nearly finalized" (probably someone).
All hail fake Schofield Bible! Let them take it all!
spat
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The mission of midnight hammer was to prevent the immediate creation of a bomb. That was accomplished.
The mission of epic fury is to prevent them from getting one long term. Different mission.
Are you being deliberately obtuse about this, or you really just don't understand ?
60% is very close.
You have to understand how a centrifuge cascade works.
There are a ton of stages between 0.7% and 60%. And you need to process a massive amount of material to get there.
But between 60% and 90% it's a lot fewer stages and a lot less material to process.
Former Assistant Secretary of HUD Catherine Austin Fitts:
"Section 224 [of the NDAA] essentially turns over massive powers within the military to the Israeli military"
"if you want the people who have done Gaza doing the same thing in this country with robots and drones and surveillance systems, let that go through"
"I think Americans should run the American military and not foreign nationals"
"We literally had Rumsfeld complain, according to Larry Wilkerson, who was working for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that he didn't run the Pentagon... the Israelis who were running around the building were running it"
"So this is a faction that needs to get put in its proper place in the governance system"
This clip of Fitts, an investment banker, former Assistant Secretary of HUD, and founder of the Solari Report (@solari_the), is taken from an interview with Greg Hunter
"Section 224 [of the NDAA] essentially turns over massive powers within the military to the Israeli military"
"if you want the people who have done Gaza doing the same thing in this country with robots and drones and surveillance systems, let that go through"
"I think Americans should run the American military and not foreign nationals"
"We literally had Rumsfeld complain, according to Larry Wilkerson, who was working for the Joint Chiefs of Staff, that he didn't run the Pentagon... the Israelis who were running around the building were running it"
"So this is a faction that needs to get put in its proper place in the governance system"
This clip of Fitts, an investment banker, former Assistant Secretary of HUD, and founder of the Solari Report (@solari_the), is taken from an interview with Greg Hunter
spat
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And that would lead to a world war how ?
To escalate this, China or Pakistan or someone else would have to decide they wanted to actually fight *for* Iran. Not intelligence and supplies, actual shooting and dying.
It doesn't matter how many more allies *we* drag into the fight. We could recreate the Desert Storm coalition and it's still not a world war.
To escalate, Iran needs allies that want to actually get into real combat with us. That's not going to happen. Everyone who is even remotely sympathetic to Iran prefers their Navy on the top of the waves and their Airforce capable of flight.
It shall escalate. The Greater Israel project is far from complete.
spat
.950 JDJ
holdover
.475 A&M Magnum
its an impossible mission like the war on terror. unless we go full scale war. but if they try to do it on the cheap useing intelligence and a few missiles , aint gonna work. ever. Its like trying to prevent them from fucking. not gonna happen.
Ok so its been close for many years then. the point was they have the ability to enrich to 90%,for years ., Thats what the Isralies have been screaming about for the last 25 years . for the last 40 years they have been begging any administration to destroy Iran because they are a threat.
Finally they found a guy that thought it would be a great idea. Look this ends only 2 ways, all out war, or a deal . And if iran wants the best deal they drag this shit out till the mid terms to get the best deal , If the dems take the house , its a major headache for trump , so he has a lot at stake personally to get this thing settled
Spat, the problem is plan B (invasion)was never an option from the start, troops were never moved or assembled , ammo wasnt pre positioned. Nothing We had done was prepared for a ground invasion. the CIA backed uprising failed like the last 4 times they tried it, but for some reason Trump had it in his head this will go down like Muduro did , and it didnt .
Had those forces been brought to bear, it may have made the Iranians think, We're fucked, we have to make a deal or we are going to have US marines in Tehran in 3 weeks. and we cant do nothing about it. it may have forced a deal.
But the Iranians see there is no invasion force, so they can play thier games ,Our weapons stocks have been depleted in the last few years due to other conflicts , We cant expend 1or 2 thousand J dams a day for months , we used up what we had. its gonna take time to build up enough material and the Iranians know it.
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holdover
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I love how the press says that Israel stikeing Lebanon was not breach of the cease fire when it was , But Iran striking isreal because they hit lebbanon was the problem. doublespeak at its best.
EVERYBODY KNOWS Israel doesnt want a cease fire with Iran. they want the US to finish Iran.