US and Iran conflict thread. ( merged threads)

[spat]

LOL. gas. WTF?? ww1 technology. Everythying is a fucking excuse with you . Isreal has nuclear fucking weapons and you dont say a god dam a about that. they wont allow inspectors and are not signatory to the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty (NPT, has bombeb the shit out of everyone withen range and claimed self defense , and iraq has mustard gas . HOLY double standard batman.

How about we play by the same fucking rules?

Theyre the fucking reason were in this mess with Iran now. how about we shut those fucking sand ni**ers off ? no more weapons for Israel.

Israels forgien policy is everyone is a threat there fore they have to be eliminated. and YOU SUPPORT THIS NAZI bullshit!! My GOD! step away from the crack pipe and worry about this country.

Gas is the WMD we invaded Iraq for. That is the one the intelligence said they had.

As for Isreali nukes, they don't threaten to use them on the daily.

In fact, they won't even admit to *having* them.

So, Isreali nukes don't bother me any more than French or British nukes.

It's not that *nobody* is allowed to have them. It's that nobody is allowed to threaten to use them on a regular basis.

Responsible nuclear armed countries basically say "we'll only use them in an existential crisis".

Even India, Pakistan, and China can be trusted not to nuke anyone unless they are at risk of losing their whole country.

But, if Iran got them, how long do you think before they'd start demanding a cut of every gallon of oil pumped in the whole Middle East? How long before Tel Aviv glowed in the dark ?

 

[Steal2B]

But, if Iran got them, how long do you think before they'd start demanding a cut of every gallon of oil pumped in the whole Middle East? How long before Tel Aviv glowed in the dark ?

If some of Iran's most militant clerics ran the show, they would look forward to the final conflict since they are deeply rooted in Twelver Shi'ism and the return of the Mahdi (i.e. the Twelfth Imam).

Iran's cleric leaders believe their government must actively create the conflict and martyrdom that brings the Mahdi's return for the divine era.

So it's logical that either these religious nutcases can never be in charge of WMD or Iran can never have WMD. Sounds like the world should help Iran choose one, or the other, or maybe both.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

its a story. and Israel gave us bad intell. thats a fact too.

You cant seem to come to grips with the fact that Israel is not our friend, never was never will be .

They're our "*friend" just enough when it's convenient for them and to get what they want out of us later down the road.

I've really changed my opinion on Israel. The Israeli people might be alright but I sure don't trust their government.

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Gas is the WMD we invaded Iraq for. That is the one the intelligence said they had.

As for Isreali nukes, they don't threaten to use them on the daily.

In fact, they won't even admit to *having* them.

So, Isreali nukes don't bother me any more than French or British nukes.

It's not that *nobody* is allowed to have them. It's that nobody is allowed to threaten to use them on a regular basis.

Responsible nuclear armed countries basically say "we'll only use them in an existential crisis".

Even India, Pakistan, and China can be trusted not to nuke anyone unless they are at risk of losing their whole country.

But, if Iran got them, how long do you think before they'd start demanding a cut of every gallon of oil pumped in the whole Middle East? How long before Tel Aviv glowed in the dark ?

I will say I'm actually surprised that Pakistan has been as responsible with them as they have been. They've never (that we are aware of) made their way into terrorist hands nor have they regularly threatened to nuke india even though they have a chronic border dispute and open hostilities.

"With great power comes great responsibility"

 

[holdover]

They're our "*friend" just enough when it's convenient for them and to get what they want out of us later down the road.

I've really changed my opinion on Israel. The Israeli people might be alright but I sure don't trust their government.

I did too. its their insane government not the jewish people .

 

[Steal2B]

its a story. and Israel gave us bad intell. thats a fact too.

You cant seem to come to grips with the fact that Israel is not our friend, never was never will be .

You are clueless and have no idea what my conclusions, thoughts, or experience is on 2003 era Israeli intelligence on Iraq WMD.

Maybe you just got a bug up your ass because I bring up your beloved Putin is a punk.

Likewise you have no idea what is floating around in my thick skull about the Israeli government, it's intelligence apperatus, it's military leadership, or it's goverment factions.

You can't know. It's the type of shit that I don't share or divulge on a public forum or social media.

But I'll share this insight, I am an American and my only political priority is this Great Republic and it's future.

You act like you know what happened in 2003 Iraq. Are you a keyboard warrior pulling your thoughts off the internet or can you tell us what bulding you were working in at CentCom?

Without making shit up, please tell us what specific deliberately misleading intel did Israel provide to the US on Iraq WMD (not your opinion or another keyboard warrior's feelings about a weak speculative assessment but deliberately misleading intelligence)? You'll make history if you can answer. They passed on some poor speculative intelligence but no one (and many motivated investigators tried) could find any deliberately misleading intelligence shared with us on Iraq WMD in the 2003 time frame. In hindsight I'd bet the Bush administration would have pushed going into Iraq for WMDs on our own intelligence (even if we had no intelligence from Israel. )

 

[livingston]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

US officials attempted to warn Iran of fears that Israel would assassinate mediators

US officials attempted to warn Iran of fears they had that Israel would assassinate meditators during talks this spring, two US officials said.

www.yahoo.com

Interesting to say the least.....

Israel clearly wants to continue fighting and does not want to have this resolved.

 

[spat]

US officials attempted to warn Iran of fears that Israel would assassinate mediators

US officials attempted to warn Iran of fears they had that Israel would assassinate meditators during talks this spring, two US officials said.

www.yahoo.com

Interesting to say the least.....

Israel clearly wants to continue fighting and does not want to have this resolved.

Isreal wants regime change in Iran.

They believe that's the only path to peace in the middle east.

Anything else just kicks the can down the road a few years.

They're not wrong.

 

[Defilade]

BREAKING: The US Military announces it has begun launching a series of powerful strikes against Iran.

The US says these strikes are in response to Iranian attacks on three vessels that were transiting the Strait of Hormuz.

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The war is back on. The oil isn't flowing. The strait isn't open. The energy supply shock just got a whole lot worse. All of you who stupidly thought "peace" had broken out need to learn for the 42nd time that you've been suckered yet again.

The West WANTS war. Get it yet

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Trump announced the cease fire is over after bombing over 80 targets in Iran as retaliation for Iran attacking 3 cargo ships/tankers.

We have always been at war with Eurasia.

 

[Bigfoot]

There are reports of airstrikes on multiple Iranian targets, including air defense systems, radar sites, anti-ship missile systems, and more than 60 fast boats belonging to the Revolutionary Guard.

 

[turbobike]

I hope Trump is finally sick of them making the USA look like a bunch of Dumbies. Take'em to the stone age...make it year's for recovery...

 

[Steal2B]

I hope Trump is finally sick of them making the USA look like a bunch of Dumbies. Take'em to the stone age...make it year's for recovery...

It's heading that way


And Iran strikes Kuwait today

KUWAIT ARMY - الجيش الكويتي (@KuwaitArmyGHQ) on X

بيان رقم (68) صرّح المتحدث الرسمي لوزارة الدفاع، العقيد الركن سعود عبدالعزيز العطوان، بأن القوات المسلحة رصدت، فجر اليوم، عدد (2) صاروخ باليستي معادٍ، وعدد (13) طائرات مسيّرة معادية اخترقت المجال الجوي الكويتي، وقد تم اعتراضها والتعامل معها بنجاح، ولم يسفر ذلك عن أي أضرار مادية

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

By most accounts, the global oil situation only got a very slight relief with oil tankers just starting to transit in and out of the Persian gulf again.

Hardly enough to make any noticable difference.

Global strategic reserves are already pretty low, there is no buffer.

If there is another hard blockade, this is going to be felt. It is going to be an issue.

 

[S&W Fan]

They're our "*friend" just enough when it's convenient for them and to get what they want out of us later down the road.

I've really changed my opinion on Israel. The Israeli people might be alright but I sure don't trust their government.

No More than we should trust our own gov’t.

 

[Defilade]

 

[Defilade]

By most accounts, the global oil situation only got a very slight relief with oil tankers just starting to transit in and out of the Persian gulf again.

Hardly enough to make any noticable difference.

Global strategic reserves are already pretty low, there is no buffer.

If there is another hard blockade, this is going to be felt. It is going to be an issue.

Find it hard to believe that Iran can block anything at this point. They are not longer a threat after 4 months of bombing.

 

[Steal2B]

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

 

[Drinkthekoolaid]

Sounds like it's back on again full send.

 

[Defilade]

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So 2 more weeks?

 

[Steal2B]

So 2 more weeks?

.... It's a coin toss

 

[holdover]

You are clueless and have no idea what my conclusions, thoughts, or experience is on 2003 era Israeli intelligence on Iraq WMD.

Of course I wouldnt. never claimed to.

Likewise you have no idea what is floating around in my thick skull about the Israeli government, it's intelligence apperatus, it's military leadership, or it's goverment factions.

couldnt agree more, never made the claim

You can't know. It's the type of shit that I don't share or divulge on a public forum or social media.

No argument there. I dont know WTF your going off about, Im not miss Cleo. I dont claim to know whats in your mellon , outside of a fanatical support for a foreign country. You have made that pretty freakin clear

I am an American and my only political priority is this Great Republic and it's future.

you mean America or Isreal?

Without making shit up, please tell us what specific deliberately misleading intel did Israel provide to the US on Iraq WMD (not your opinion or another keyboard warrior's feelings about a weak speculative assessment but deliberately misleading intelligence)? You'll make history if you can answer. They passed on some poor speculative intelligence but no one (and many motivated investigators tried) could find any deliberately misleading intelligence shared with us on Iraq WMD in the 2003 time frame. In hindsight I'd bet the Bush administration would have pushed going into Iraq for WMDs on our own intelligence (even if we had no intelligence from Israel. )

well thats one opinion ,

President George W. Bush stated in October 2002 that "we cannot wait for the final proof -- the smoking gun -- that could come in the form of a mushroom cloud". [1, 2, 3]

Vice President Dick Cheney asserted in August 2002, “There is no doubt that Saddam Hussein now has weapons of mass destruction,”


A prominent Israeli MP said yesterday that his country's intelligence services knew claims that Saddam Hussein was capable of swiftly launching weapons of mass destruction were wrong but withheld the information from Washington.

Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP​

Associated Press
Wed 4 Feb 2004 03.55 EST
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A prominent Israeli MP said yesterday that his country's intelligence services knew claims that Saddam Hussein was capable of swiftly launching weapons of mass destruction were wrong but withheld the information from Washington.
"It was known in Israel that the story that weapons of mass destruction could be activated in 45 minutes was an old wives' tale," Yossi Sarid, a member of the foreign affairs and defence committee which is investigating the quality of Israeli intelligence on Iraq, told the Associated Press yesterday.

"Israel didn't want to spoil President Bush's scenario, and it should have," he said.

Another member of the committee, Ehud Yatom, said Israel had told the Americans it believed the weapons existed but had not seen them.

On Sunday, the former UN weapons inspector, Scott Ritter, told Y-Net, an Israeli newswire, that the Israeli intelligence services reached the conclusion years ago that Iraq no longer had weapons of mass destruction.

"In the end, if the Israeli intelligence knew that Iraq did not have weapons of mass destruction, so the CIA knew it and thus British intelligence too" he said.

In November 2003, a respected Tel Aviv thinktank concluded that Israeli intelligence had joined the US and Britain in an "exaggerated assessment" of Iraqi weapons.

Brom, a senior researcher at one of Israel’s leading think tanks, the Jaffee Center for Strategic Studies at Tel Aviv University, said intelligence produced by Israel played a significant role in augmenting the case for toppling Hussein.

Israel knew Iraq had no WMD, says MP

A prominent Israeli MP said yesterday that his country's intelligence services knew claims that Saddam Hussein was capable of swiftly launching weapons of mass destruction were wrong but withheld the information from Washington.

www.theguardian.com

Times Staff Writer
JERUSALEM — A former senior Israeli military intelligence official asserted Thursday that the nation’s spy agencies were a “full partner” to the United States and Britain in producing flawed prewar assessments of Iraq’s ability to mount attacks with weapons of mass destruction.
The sharply worded report by Shlomo Brom, a brigadier general in the army reserves, prompted one lawmaker to call for an independent inquiry into the performance of Israeli intelligence before the start of hostilities in Iraq.

In Britain, Prime Minister Tony Blair has been hounded by domestic critics who say prewar intelligence on Hussein’s weapons program was either flawed or exaggerated -- or both -- in order to support President Bush’s decision to go to war.

Bush also has faced criticism over the lack of proof that Hussein had weapons of mass destruction, though the U.S. president has not been forced to expend nearly as much political capital as Blair in fending off contentions that the threat was deliberately distorted.

Ex-General Says Israel Inflated Iraqi Threat

Shlomo Brom asserts his nation's spy agencies helped U.S. and Britain make case for war.

www.latimes.com

https://www.inss.org.il/wp-content/uploads/systemfiles/Sound%20Profesional%20Asessment.pdf

The official rationale for the war was a claim by the US intelligence community that the Saddam regime possessed weapons of mass destruction (WMDs) that could endanger regional and global security. Despite feverish searches by the army and CIA operatives, no signs of their existence were found in Iraq. In February 2004, Bush and British Prime Minister Tony Blair were forced to establish a commission to look into the reasons for the intelligence failure.

Teams of inspectors were sent to Iraq, headed by David Kay and later by Charles Duelfer, who in the 1990s had led a number of UN inspection teams in Iraq. The inspectors’ conclusion was that prior to the war there had been no operational WMDs in Iraq because their production had ceased after the 1991 Gulf War. At that time, Saddam was more troubled by the international economic sanctions against Iraq than by an American attack. He does appear to have hoped to renew the nonconventional-weapons programs at some stage, but most of all, he wanted to get the sanctions lifted.


There is a whole shit ton more information about the ""faulty"" Israel intelligence if you care to do your own home work.

It seems to be common knowledge they supplied the CIA with bad intell . But I guess you bought the whole thing hook line and sinker without ever questioning it

 

[holdover]

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Looks like they were pretty carefull not to hit civilians .

 

[holdover]

If you guys think airstrikes will stop Iran, your fucking dreaming . Its going to take a lot of ground troops ,

US ground troops because Isreal already said they wont send any , to busy killing starving Gazans. great allies those Zionists



With the US preparing options for a potential ground operation in Iran, Israel is unlikely to contribute manpower to the effort — a prospect that has drawn criticism among the American public but, experts say, reflects strategic calculations and operational realities.

As US weighs putting troops in Iran, realities on ground keep Israeli boots closer to home

Some Americans question bearing the burden of war, but experts say Jerusalem's role in setting the stage for US troops on Iranian soil has been pivotal, even if soldiers aren't deploying there as well

www.timesofisrael.com

 

[Steal2B]

Looks like they were pretty carefull not to hit civilians .

Probably, looks like the body count is low considering the number of targets. On Wednesday's strikes Iran reported 8 military killed and no civilians, however they also reported the death of a Bolouc fisherman but did note which province (Iran, Pakistan, or Afghanistan)

 

[Bigfoot]

I watched an interview in which a retired admiral said that, at this point, Trump will almost certainly give the order to take and hold/control Kharg Island.

Being that he's a retired admiral, I figure he knows what he's talking about.
But IDK. I just thought I'd mention it.

 

[spat]

Find it hard to believe that Iran can block anything at this point. They are not longer a threat after 4 months of bombing.

They're basically relegated to the same sort of threat as the Houthi's in Yemen.

Not really a military, more just some random terrorist attacks.

Since the strait is so narrow, they don't need anything big to lob a rocket at a ship. They just need one truck with a short range rocket that they've been hiding in a barn full of camels somewhere.