Israeli-American ties, good or bad? Somewhere in between?

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US Special Forces veteran: 'What is going on in Palestine is not war'

In a city council meeting in Texas, US Special Forces Veteran, Alan Shebaro, who served as a sniper, assaulter and a breacher over three rotations spoke out ...

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[Drinkthekoolaid]

The allies firebombed over 50 German cities like Dresden, and killed multi thousands of civilians because there are no civilians in war.

We firebombed Tokyo on March 11, 1945..............killed 100,000.

Hamas must be anhilated, as does half of Iran.

Israel is poverty stricken

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The streets are not paved with gold.

Most people don't realize we killed more people mass firebombing Japanese cities than we did with the atomic bombs. Literally the entire strategy was to burn the city to the ground. Not even pussyfooting around like carpet bombing a tank factory dropping 500lb high explosive bombs with a target hit rate of 5%. Nope. Not that. We just skipped all that window dressing of selecting targets based on military value and went right to dropping incendiary bombs on a city made of wooden buildings.


You guys ever read about the firebombing of Dresden Germany? Yea that's pretty heinous. War is ugly.


So when people go on about the atomic bomb being so terrible, honestly it wasn't even the worst thing to happen in ww2. Multiple events killed more people and caused more suffering.

 

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You really believe that shit? That makes you a retard or a liar

And you think Hamas wear uniforms so you can identify them ?

They intentionally force their own civilians into danger because it gets sympathy from morons in the west when they get killed.

So, congratulations, *you* are the reason innocents are killed in Gaza in such large numbers.


So, tell me genius, if you're an IDF soldier, how do you tell a 14 year old Hamas militant from his innocent brother ?

 

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And you think Hamas wear uniforms so you can identify them ?

Lol, they have no official army navy airforce. Its a rag tag bunch of terrorists , any more excuses to kill people?

 

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They intentionally force their own civilians into danger because it gets sympathy from morons in the west when they get killed.

thats what people like you say, but you dont know that for a fact . just more excuses to kill subhumans

 

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Lol, they have no official army navy airforce. Its a rag tag bunch of terrorists , any more excuses to kill people?

So, they just get to attack Isreal all they want and Isreal can't do anything back because Hamas don't wear uniforms ?

How would you deal with them if you were in charge in Isreal ? Just commit mass suicide so as not to offend the Palestinians ?

 

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So, congratulations, *you* are the reason innocents are killed in Gaza in such large numbers.

WTF kind of reasoning is that? LOL man your fucking reaching

 

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thats what people like you say, but you dont know that for a fact . just more excuses to kill subhumans

Hamas admits it freely, why wouldn't you believe them ?

 

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So, tell me genius, if you're an IDF soldier, how do you tell a 14 year old Hamas militant from his innocent brother ?

simple, if he has a weapon hes guilty if he doesnt you cant touch him , not that it ever stoped the IDF frrom shooting teenagers before

 

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Hamas admits it freely, why wouldn't you believe them ?

I dont belive it , I think you or your source is bullshit

 

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simple, if he has a weapon hes guilty if he doesnt you cant touch him , not that it ever stoped the IDF frrom shooting teenagers before

Congratulations, the militant just grabbed the hidden rifle and shot you in the back.

 

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So, they just get to attack Isreal all they want and Isreal can't do anything back because Hamas don't wear uniforms ?

Oooh no, You just kill every liveing thing in gaza

 

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Congratulations, the militant just grabbed the hidden rifle and shot you in the back.

stupid

 

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I dont belive it , I think you or your source is bullshit

Yea, anything that conflicts with your dogma must be lie.

It's like a religion with you.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/01/hamas-officials-admit-its-strategy-is-to-use-palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields/

 

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stupid

You said it.

 

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Look , I dont want to have this conversation with you anymore Ok? this is bullshit You believe what you want to belive Ok

I dont want to waste more time on this subject, were getting nowhere. Im going to call it a day

 

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Oooh no, You just kill every liveing thing in gaza

That's how you win a war. You keep killing the enemy until they stop fighting.

That doesn't change just because the enemy tries to camouflage themselves with civilians.

Or, do you think we won WWII by singing Kumbaya and forming a drum circle ?

 

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WTF kind of reasoning is that? LOL man your fucking reaching

They do it because it works.

If people like you didn't buy it hook line and sinker and basically lobby for Hamas, then they wouldn't use the innocents as human shields.

Quite literally it's your mentality that's causing many of the civilian casualties.

 

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They do it because it works.

If people like you didn't buy it hook line and sinker and basically lobby for Hamas, then they wouldn't use the innocents as human shields.

Quite literally it's your mentality that's causing many of the civilian casualties.

dude you need to see a doctor. My mentality wouldnt have given Israel billions of dollars so they persue an expansionist policy and kill anybody that borders thier country.

I get it, We helped to get on them their feet for a while , thats kool . but time to pull the plug . enough is enough .

 

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That's how you win a war. You keep killing the enemy until they stop fighting.

thats how the losers ended up being hung in the hauge. its still a war crime , just because we won didnt mean we were innocent

 

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Yea, anything that conflicts with your dogma must be lie.

It's like a religion with you.

https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2023/11/01/hamas-officials-admit-its-strategy-is-to-use-palestinian-civilians-as-human-shields/

its fucking garbage, like any other think tank. All they do is promote the agenda that DC wants , paid shills

 

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We do.

That's why we don't swallow every piece of propaganda released by America's enemies to try to weaken our alliances.

But, I guess useful idiots are going to idiot, so you just have to accept it.

Looks like you are the idiot. People are figuring this out. Maybe you should study what the greater Israel project is all about.

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its fucking garbage, like any other think tank. All they do is promote the agenda that DC wants , paid shills

Probably funded by the POS's at the CIA.

 

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thats how the losers ended up being hung in the hauge. its still a war crime , just because we won didnt mean we were innocent

You don't actually know what a war crime is do you ?

Hint: The rules are not the same as civilian self defense.

Even if you are the loser it's not a crime. The Germans weren't prosecuted for bombing London.

 

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its fucking garbage, like any other think tank. All they do is promote the agenda that DC wants , paid shills

Ahh, if it doesn't support your thesis and come from a flat earther website then it's "paid shills".

But when it's written in Beijing and handed down to your favored propagandists then it's the gospel truth. Got it.


So, what I don't get is how you can see so clearly when the media lies about justification for "didn't do nuffin" criminals here, but then think they don't do that elsewhere.

You'll see a headline about a cop shooting an unarmed choir boy because he's black, and you know to dig deeper and find out he was robbing a 7-11 and pointing a fake gun at the cop who shot him and he was a 19 year old gangbanger, but they used a picture of him when he was 12. But you hear the same shills make the same claims about some "child in Gaza" and you just assume they're telling the whole story.

 

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Ahh, if it doesn't support your thesis and come from a flat earther website then it's "paid shills".

no, its all of them spat. all they are, are propaganda for the machine. allways been. Fucking think tanks are policy shapers .mind fuckers, its garbage. you hear them qouted by fox, CNN politicians all the time

The fact that there even democrat and republican think tanks is telling you that.

Im not a flat earther .

Truth be told, were wasteing a lot of time on a thread nobody is reading anyway, were not going to sway each other and I dont want to waste anymore time on it myself.

so if it makes ya happy, you win. Isreal is the best and most holy nation ever to exist, zionists are not capeable of wrrong doing since nobody could ever prove it and we should triple the amount of money we send them. Hopefully they can run our country one day.

 

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But when it's written in Beijing and handed down to your favored propagandists then it's the gospel truth. Got it.

LOL what are you talking about Willis?

Its funny but there is some truth in it , to the extent that they sometime do print information that might not agree with the US administration,

for exsample say Iran claims to have hit a US ship in the gulf, US denies it. whos telling the truth? so I will look to a third party to see what information they have. China would be wet, if they found out a US ship was hit. but if they cant get any confirmation, then Iran is most likely full of shit. I would expect the US to lie under those conditions

some of my sources were from amnesty international, UN the US state dept . Im not there to take pictures or videos I cannot confirm or deney anything in a war zone no more than you can. We have to rely on souces. people can post bad sources without ever knowing or having bad intent , I have, not intentionally, but it happens .

Now amnesty international is an agency that actually caught the false flag gas attack in syria , they were filming the whole thing and it eventually got buried , so they do have some credibility to me

 

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So, what I don't get is how you can see so clearly when the media lies about justification for "didn't do nuffin" criminals here, but then think they don't do that elsewhere.

not always, sometimes facts sneak through the back door because they are not subjected to the same editors that are owned .

In other words useing outside sources to bypass the filtered storys we get .

 

[Zerex]

Collective intellect aside, Hamas are humans, just not too smart......................it is Islam that has poisoned all ME minds since 800 ad and as a result from Charlemagne to the Crusades to modern day Iran, we're dealing with pure poison and evil behavior.

Hamas would not stop with taking the West Bank, it wants to occupy Jordan, Lebannon and Syria as part of the Ayatollahs plan to re-establish the Ottoman Empire and to destroy Crusader
Europe.

Hamas built tunnels instead of Hotels and resorts, Iran built missiles instead of public works. Oil revenuies allowed them to pursue world domination with partner Obama.

 

[Brawny71]

Collective intellect aside, Hamas are humans, just not too smart......................it is Islam that has poisoned all ME minds since 800 ad and as a result from Charlemagne to the Crusades to modern day Iran, we're dealing with pure poison and evil behavior.

Hamas would not stop with taking the West Bank, it wants to occupy Jordan, Lebannon and Syria as part of the Ayatollahs plan to re-establish the Ottoman Empire and to destroy Crusader
Europe.

Hamas built tunnels instead of Hotels and resorts, Iran built missiles instead of public works. Oil revenuies allowed them to pursue world domination with partner Obama.

Correct. Palestine was given their area, they in turn gave it to Hamas to govern in 2005 and there was no further elections to date. They had a Free Palestine. They almost immediately started tunnels to attack their neighbor. They had funding from civil funds provided by the international community and Iran and used them not for the people, but for their next step. Oct 7th was the beginning of that step. Iran sponsored this and much more affecting the US as well as many more.

Iran is more then right now and a GPS pin. The balance of power in the Arab world has become unbalanced (by even their fellow Arab accounts). This is being shown on a daily basis even with the air strikes. If embargoes were actually being supported by Europe, this period should bearly affect them. But it is plain that the embargoes of Russia and Iran were skirted by Europe and others. If indeed Iran does not control forces in Lebanon, then why does it affect the continued peace process so much. If Hamas is truly not an arm of Iran, why is Gaza important to Iran?

Yes, human tragedy gets the US people feeling bad. In a region that insists in burying their dead within 24 hours, why would an invader take dead bodies with them and hold them hostage? Pamphlets allowing a deviation to the Karan allowing for rape and killing of children? The average person in Gaza knew where the tunnel entrances were and could have, at any time, point them out and that conflict would have been over quickly and destruction limited. The average person in Gaza did not condone what happened Oct 7 in their name. The average person in Iran right now out numbers the Revolutionary Guard and know where each military base is. The proxies being brought into Iran show “Whoever” is in charge knows this. The Proxies have no comradeship to the people. But the people could well affect the change.

The continued hits on military assets in Iran could lead to a imbalance of power which could allow “Someone else” to take charge. Each military action has a tipping point where the region is left in chaos if it goes to far. There is a balance. If you wipe everything out, afterwards you will have more issues and things to fix.

The attacks you continue to see from Iran are directly part of their invasion plan. Each military leader had automitey to act for the defense of the nation. I’m not sure communication or chain of command exists to turn it off. The people at the peace table don’t seem to a have the authority to deal. I’m not sure they know who is in charge.