Brawny71
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You misspelled Government financed ( with your tax dollars) price fixing to undermine free business.
The Adventures of NYC mayor Zohran Mamdani
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spat
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Doesn't matter where they get the money from.
It was outlawed because large chains would do it to crush small local competition.
If you have 100 hardware stores and you want to open a grocery store, so you run the new store at a loss financed by the hardware stores until you drive all the grocery competition out of business? That's a crime.
Just because NYC's primary business is fleecing taxpayers instead of selling hardware, the law is the same.
Brawny71
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We are saying the same. The difference is using the biggest Corp out there to do it(Uncle Sugar) who also controls regulations and enforcement is beyond fair commerce
You don't understand. When your motive is pure then you can do all sorts of criminal actions. Just because!
Saltwater60
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You know the democrats can do as they please. What’s worse is they are using tax dollars to accomplish it.
Saltwater60
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All I know because of my position is they are planning way ahead to clear all hurdles for them to do this. I didn’t know the state or the government planned this far in advance but they are pulling out all stops to make this happen. The state can’t put a printer in service correctly but this, they are planning like crazy.
spat
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I do wonder what would happen if some grocery store in Jersey just came across to buy the deeply discounted stuff for resale.
Saltwater60
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They would lose in the end. While grocery store profits are only about 3% their mark up is 40-50%. Running a grocery store has massive overhead. Labor and waste are enormous. Ever see/pay attention how many employees are working at a grocery store at one time?
About 5 years ago I was talking to a grocery store manager who was very mad a few carts got damaged so I asked him what the costs were to try to figure it out. He said the small carts are about $800 and the big carts are $1,000 each. How many get damaged or stolen each year?
spat
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In general their markup is higher, but I suspect the staples that Mamdani is subsidizing were sold nearly at cost, or even as loss leaders.
What's the margin on a carton of eggs or a gallon of milk ?
Brawny71
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As I said up in the thead, Chicago already tried and their proof of concept validated what we already knew from Cuba and Venezuela. It failed rather quickly. Unfortunately it will be at the Tax Payer cost, not the failed planning or concept level.
Much like the Narcan and COVID test vending machines, Free stuff doesn’t have a verification. Like has been said above, what is the validation that the subsidized system is being used by the targeted demographic. We have plenty of validation that most State run and “Monitored” programs are heavily frauded and abused; with little accountability or enforcement. Feel Good programs without proper staffing, assessment, accountability, and enforcement are just another opportunity for the people looking for a weak point.
livingston
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Overall, a grocery store’s profit margins are roughly 1% to 3%, but those numbers don’t tell the full story.
“Sure, we’re only making 1% profit, but it’s worth our while to be in this business because we make it up in volume,” Zaleski said.
“Large national chains possess the scale to strike deals with manufacturers on massive quantities of goods that can be sold at a lower per-item price because the chain is selling more of them in a greater number of locations,” said Jim Dudlicek, a spokesman for the National Grocers Association, in an emailed statement. “To compete, some smaller independent retailers may become members of wholesale organizations or buying cooperatives that secure volume discounts that smaller grocers couldn’t get on their own.”
spat
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Overall profit margins are 1-3%, but individual product markups are higher, because they don't include all the overhead.
So, you might only make 1% profit per dollar of revenue, but to do that you probably need to sell a gallon of milk for 5-10% more than you paid for it. Because the sale price needs to pay for the building and the employees as well as cover the price you paid for the milk.
But, I looked up a couple. Milk and eggs are usually a 5-15% markup, which wouldn't be enough to cover the overhead. The profit comes mostly from other products where the markup might be 40% or more. They break even or worse selling the milk and eggs, but that gets people in the door to buy the prepared foods and stuff where the real money is made.
stokes
.338 Win Mag
Forget profit margins, markups and such. These stores will be looted into bankruptcy
Robin
.577 Tyrannosaur.
And we will be forced to bail them out just like we are forced to give them start up money. There will be a lot of DSP, communists, getting rich off this shit.
Robin
Robin
Bigfoot
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I was curious, so I asked AI overview -
Q - Will all of NY State taxpayers be paying for NYC government-run grocery stores.
A - No, taxpayers across the rest of New York State will not be paying for New York City’s municipal grocery stores.
Funding Source
Q - Will all of NY State taxpayers be paying for NYC government-run grocery stores.
A - No, taxpayers across the rest of New York State will not be paying for New York City’s municipal grocery stores.
Funding Source
- City Budget Only: The $70 million allocated for the capital funding and rollout of the five grocery stores comes entirely from New York City's municipal budget and local capital funds, not the New York State budget.
- Local Taxpayers: Only New York City residents contribute to the municipal revenues and taxes used to fund city-level capital projects like this one. Taxpayers living outside of NYC do not fund city-level operations or local agency initiatives.
Brawny71
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Oh good. They’ve started accounting for and enforcing where money is spent, goes, and where it comes from. I’ll also start converting my primary energy source to Unicorn farts and happy thoughts.
Medicare/ Medicade, EBT, and other subsidies are also only for American Citizens and tax payers. How’s that been going?
Not picking on you. I’m just skeptical.
Robin
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Yeah, I have seen that old dodge for decades! They take our tax money for other projects, there by freeing up their money they didn't have for their commie program. Giving them deniability! Just like planned parenthood and dozens of other commie projects! and every time the money changes hands democrats and RINO's get richer. Well, SUMBITCH!! Governor Hochul and Mayor Mamdani Announce $1.5 Billion to Help Address City Fiscal Challenges
There go my tax dollars which will free up money from their budget to make a super bodega. This is just the billions they are announcing!
C'mon man!!!!!!!
Robin
stokes
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Add to that when Horechul gives the city our tax dollars to bail out the failed grocery stores.
thughes
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I see where the currrent price for a gallon of milk in the NYC bodegas is @ $9-10
Saltwater60
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Considering the 100 weight of milk right now is $25.23 that gets you about 12 gallons of milk. That is what the milk processor pays right now and that is higher than it has been. So each gallon of milk costs about $2.00 on the front end of the factory. That does not account for any overhead at all. You may very well be correct there is not much mark up on milk.
I will add I worked at a milk processing plant and the processing cost is not super high for a gallon of milk. Most things are fairly automated, but the equipment costs are high and workers wages are fairly high for the work they do.
However before our vacation I had meat on the grill and my wife said let’s get sides at wegmans to not make more dishes. We looked and a small thing of mac and cheese was $18.00. It’s some macaroni and some cheese so we said hell no. Mashed potatoes were the same. Made me sick.
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Accepting the premise that most all Food Stuffs arrive in NYC via Trucks, part of that "desert" landscape is the State's and City's continual fucking over pf the Trucking Industry; It's damn hard to find legal and lawful Truck Drivers that can read, write, and speak English, but even harder to find ones that will travel into NYC, and when they do, it costs hundreds of Dollars just to get the Truck into the City (and back out) that doesn't include the operational costs (fuel, Ins. Pay, etc.)...very few will make the trip down there just to be robbed by the Mafia and NYC, therefor not as much arrives creating that "desert" they so love to whine about.
spat
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How much does the Bodega have to pay to get that gallon in the door ?
We're talking the markup for the store only, not the whole markup between what the farmer gets paid and what the Bodega sells it for.
Not even the whole sale price at the processor, but the delivered price to the back door.
spat
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Yea, the markup on "prepared food" can be 50% or even much higher. But the staples will be low.